Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[thyme]

I think that a lot of trans critics spread misogyny and misandry towards non-trans people without even realizing.

For example, criticism towards MTFs. Even if you are directly criticizing someone who's trans, you are indirectly being Misandric by implying that all men are dangerous and everything they do is for sex, or for fetishistic reasons.
Or, FTMs. They are infantilized in a way that feels weirdly Misogynistic. For example, most say that all of them are silly women who don't know what they are talking or doing with themselves. Or that they have been traumatized, touched, and that's why they are weird.

Basically, you are being sexist towards your own sex without even realizing.
If you are a man, a TERF would probably say that same thing about you if they had the chance to, and if you are a woman, many guys would also treat you in the same way as they do with FTMs.

That however, does not absolve lolcows like Kevin Gibes or Keffals, it just feels kinda sexist.

I want to extrapolate on this. It bothers me when trans critics fall for the fallacy 'women/men don't do x like trans do!' The problem is, there absolutely are either men or women out there whose behaviour is incongruent with what most would align with each sex. Essentially, it feels a bit backward to me.
There will be autistic women, and female metalheads/edm fans, there will be knitting males, and males who love caring for small animals, etc. etc. - endless variety.
I'd rather encourage people to enjoy what they like without conflating it with their crotches. I don't care if a man loves heels and chemicals(makeup and perfume or whatever the fuck), I care when a man says wearing heels means he's a woman. I don't care if a woman loves rats and garbage, I care when a woman says that shit makes her a man.
We don't need to swing all the way back to extreme gendered stereotypes to combat trans. There are men more effeminate than I am, and it's okay they are that way as much as my masculine interests for a woman is okay- the issue lies with confusing personality traits for biological reality. It's a deliberately confusing realm meant to drive vulnerable populations (children and the mentally ill) as fast as possible down the medicalization route.
Generalizations save on mental power when interacting with large groups of people, and I believe the internet giving normal people more opportunities to soapbox than ever before, combined with less genuine one on one interactions, has driven tons of people to have to sort and box themselves and others in these groups in order to not be overwhelmed- get in your box. The box is made for you, it's shaped just like who you want to be- and you come out the other side a facsimile of a human, a caricature, maybe even a monster.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

The whole trans “get surgery to change your body because you hate it” is so at odds with the body positivity movement that I’m so fucking confused.

 

[Chickenpolar]

The whole trans “get surgery to change your body because you hate it” is so at odds with the body positivity movement that I’m so fucking confused.

It's really fucked up. As Eliza Mondegreen has written, once they get one sort of surgery they focus on the next part of their body that doesn't match their genderwoo and since you can't actually change sex they'll always be chasing the next thing to finally "pass" in their minds but never getting there.

Pretty optimistic takes in this thead from Jon Kay (a)and this reply from RIPxNutmeg (a)

 

[Jacques1194]

You know the thing about the whole "being trapped inside the wrong body" that gets me with trans?If it was true then this calls into question of when is someone born in the wrong body?Is it only when the person is alienated from their birth sex and nothing else?Cause if so why?As much as TRAs mock transracial it is the same thing.Why is their hatred for their birth sex any different than for example a white guy who hates his own race and wishes to move to a non white country like japan any different?If the person was happy that he moved to japan, no one would argue that it's proof he's an asian man trapped inside a white man's body.Heck,what about other personality disorders like Dissociative identity disorder?No one argues a person having multiple personalities is multiple people sharing one body.Why is trans the only one where the person is deep down their "true self"( whatever that even means)but no other disorder is a case of "being born in the wrong body"?

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Pretty optimistic takes in this thead from Jon Kay (a)and this reply from RIPxNutmeg (a)

Go ahead and rate me but I think this checks out. In my experience there's been a visible decrease in the number of young teenagers trooning out since the craze reached its peak in 2020-21. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely still a thing, but it doesn't appear to be tearing through entire friend groups like it used to.

Spoiler: Mild PL

I'm not exaggerating when I say that back when I was in high school during the COVID era, a solid three-quarters of my social circle (myself included) was some flavour of gendershit. It was totally and utterly unavoidable if you hung out with certain kinds of people. Looking at mine and my friends' relatives, I think the cutoff point where cases of troonism become more sporadic is kids born around 2007 or later, who were too young to be on social media at the height of gender ideology.

I had a shocking experience a few weeks back when one of my high school aged relatives had a bunch of their weird nerd friends over for a party, not unlike the people I hung around at that age, and there was only ONE trans kid in the whole group. I'm holding out hope that the rest of them won't fall into it as they get older.

This is of course a cause for celebration, but it leaves me with an uncomfortable thought: Is Gen Z going to be the tranny generation going forward? Is this the legacy we leave behind, one of yeeted teets and rotting amholes? It sure does seem that way. Like how the generations before us had their embarrassing punk/goth/whatever phase, except this time the ones who got sucked in won't have kids to tease them about it...

 

[The Morning Visitor]

It bothered me that a lot of online atheists fell into it.

You and me both. I always considered myself autistically agnostic, but I did lean towards the staunch athiests (Bill Mauer, Noam Chomsky, George Carlin) growing up. Athiesm is still a belief (one in no god) but in my teenaged brain, they weren't wrong, they were just assholes about it. They would oversimplify everything with Occam's almighty testicle-shaver and refuse to elaborate from where matter came, or how life got bestowed upon some matter. Some gibberish about primordial soup that shows they're trusting another dork simply because he wears a labcoat instead of recognizing an assumption for what it is. There probably isn't a god (not one resembling the Abrahamic one anyways), but we need an answer for existence.

How many atheist fell into atheism not because they thought it over, but because the church or god scorned them? How many atheist decided it would be a great "fuck you mom" moment?

Shortest way to describe it:
Christians say god is omnipotent and benevolent. He knows everything that will happen and he has a plan to make that happen. We humans have no free will.
He makes Adolf Hitler and Albert Fish, knowing fully what they will do and to where he will damn them for eternity. What kind of sack of shit would make someone destined to do deeds that would cement their place in hell? Either god is not in control (not omnipotent) or he is and he's an asshole (not benevolent). Or he might not exist. Whichever way, he's not worthy of reverence.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Shortest way to describe it:
Christians say god is omnipotent and benevolent. He knows everything that will happen and he has a plan to make that happen. We humans have no free will.
He makes Adolf Hitler and Albert Fish, knowing fully what they will do and to where he will damn them for eternity. What kind of sack of shit would make someone destined to do deeds that would cement their place in hell? Either god is not in control (not omnipotent) or he is and he's an asshole (not benevolent). Or he might not exist. Whichever way, he's not worthy of reverence.

My argument wasn't anti-atheism, it was how there's different reasons why people would jump to the same conclusion of atheism or non-worship. The question is how did logical thinkers jump from a logical path like you did to an illogical argument like transitioning? I think it's easier for a lot of atheists to say "trans people are people" without thinking about it too hard due to the Geek Social Fallacies and not wanting to throw out anyone who's outside of camp theist like they are.

I think there's lots of logical reasons for atheism but not troonism. Can you come up with any that make sense for an atheist to follow? That's not supposed to be a mean challenge, that's just trying to wonder why redditor atheist who pride themselves on logic tripped and fell into the trans traps.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Can you come up with any that make sense for an atheist to follow?

I can not. The only reasons to follow troonism are for internet points and to prevent the suicide of misguided people you care about. If someone follows the gender cult, they're either a narcissist or a victim of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[doodoocaca]

I can't help but think that a lot of people falling for it, if not the main reason for the trenders, is that they are just extremely lonely.

You go from being a 'loser', a failure of your sex, to an instant celebrity with 'support' and a friend circle and tons of back patting and 'validity', and something to blame it all on! You get baked-in separation from people who were either bad influences, or ineffectually trying to get you to fix yourself, which just made you feel bad.. Either way, you now feel good and have bad things cut out. The bullshit with the hormones and surgery comes in after you're sucked into it and you're hooked on the feelings and attention and 'friends'.

Now, not only is leaving going back to solitude, and humiliation, but you'll be vilified for detransitioning. Nevermind the issues that go with weaning off hormones or having permanent genital mutilation.

But yes trooning makes people into fucking narcissists and Stockholm is how it gets its teeth in.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Why is trans the only one where the person is deep down their "true self"( whatever that even means)but no other disorder is a case of "being born in the wrong body"?

It comes down to the reality none of what you mentioned has a precursor movement. There is no slight less absurd movement for multiple personalities or trans racialism. Born in the wrong body idea comes from an earlier form of homosexual acceptance/tolerance. A gay man or woman isn't an abomination, a freak, a mentally ill pervert. The idea that a gay man/woman is just a woman/man is an attempt by early progressive movements to paint homosexuality in a sympathetic light. "No its not a mental illness, its just like normal healthy sexuality!" It's on that basis that born in the wrong body trans is built upon. The shift away from viewing homosexuality as mental illness to mental dysfunction to finally healthy behavior is the trojan horse of "true self" nonsense.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Atheism, trannism, and communism in the West is a plot to destabilize society and demoralize people. By whom is up to you

Communism hails atheism as one of its cornerstones, “religion is the opium of the ppl etc.” Marx was immensely optimistic about his theory, but he wasn’t that for radical societal change at his time. His prediction was sth akin to what’s going on in Canada, where late stage capitalism will supposedly evolve into socialism with more workers and union rights etc. In practice, I’m not well versed in South American communism, but for all that were in Eurasia atheism was enforced, often violently. Because in practice, communism has replaced religion as the “opium”, as source of significance, meaning, and guidance. Instead of worshipping God or gods, the communist party and its leaders were worshiped. It has only served as an inferior substitution to religion.

Dialectical materialism is the bastard child of atheism and communism, and under dialectical materialism troonism could be somewhat theoretically justified, but not to the degree we see today. The most it could accept is the “truscum” stance, where it’s a mental illness that cannot be possibly cured other than hormones, genital mutilation, and they’ll all kill themselves instantly if not addressed with the preferred pronouns. Aaand these ppl provide immense values to the society that they are worth preserving. None of the communist regimes would tolerate any of this though, this is purely theoretical

What they all have in common as manifested in the West is the concrete outcome of demoralization and destabilization. Exceptional individuals, autistic or Einstein level genius etc may find God and existing societal norms weird and limiting, but the desolution of those norms will only be replaced by other norms. And it’s definitely NOT guaranteed the replacement would be better. It’s understandable to doubt what’s in place is still good or efficient, but hastily jumping into anything that’s new and in opposition is not recommended. Communism, atheism, and trannism are all in opposition of deeply rooted western values, and when a group to adopt all of them without ideological congruency it’s most likely just an extreme “fuck you mom and dad” Maybe it’s just a natural happence in history, death of the empire end of glory etc, but there are many forces that would definitely benefit from instability and societal collapse of the West. My best bet is the ccp with troon and communism. And youknowwho for the death of Christianity

 

[AMHOLIO]

Maybe it’s just a natural happence in history, death of the empire end of glory etc, but there are many forces that would definitely benefit from instability and societal collapse of the West. My best bet is the ccp with troon and communism. And youknowwho for the death of Christianity

I think humans are naturally retarded and have self destructive tendencies due to our long lifespans and weird adaptations, and no one is behind this since it would take a ton of people to prop up a plan like this and barely 1 guy can keep a secret, let alone 2 or more.

I think you are also huffing philosophy too hard.

 

[melty]

Go ahead and rate me but I think this checks out. In my experience there's been a visible decrease in the number of young teenagers trooning out since the craze reached its peak in 2020-21. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely still a thing, but it doesn't appear to be tearing through entire friend groups like it used to.

I really hope this is true. I worry sometimes about my friends daughter who is 12. So far she seems normal and healthy, and her parents are very level headed, but she lives in a really liberal area and one of her childhood friends has already been trooned out. I am not sure when the trooning happened, but it was at least 1-2 years ago.

Apparently, a troon came to school one day to give a talk on troons. This girl later came to her mother and started saying she thought she was trans, so now she is a he.

I don't know the family super well, the mom is a typical libshit supporting whatever the current cause is but she doesn't strike me as a batshit munchie so I think it's just a case of them thinking they're doing the right thing due to living in a libshit area with only libshit friends. It's really sad though, and I hope this girl comes out okay, it's really fucked up.

 

[Sissyagamben]

I think humans are naturally retarded and have self destructive tendencies due to our long lifespans and weird adaptations, and no one is behind this since it would take a ton of people to prop up a plan like this and barely 1 guy can keep a secret, let alone 2 or more.

I think you are also huffing philosophy too hard.

Yeah you’re right, it’s also kinda juvenile to always blame sth else. It’s a very schizo trait. I think vast majority of people believe in trans, atheism, communism because they genuinely think these are good and will improve status quo. Only the exception actively try to fuck up society anyway possible. It could also be not ideologically related, like when Purdue lied about rate of addiction for OxyContin being <1%. Just good old money and lobbying.

But also ccp, Epstein, MKULTRA, etc, it will always come out in the end, but there’s a real possibility they can hide it for quite a while. Ppl would never think the CIA is dosing retards with acid to make them ultra retarded when it was happening, but they were. The ccp hasnt been mask off about it, but soviet defectors back in the 70s were already talking about ideological subversion. I wont put it past ccp at all for tweeking the algorithem on Tiktok to favour transition and leftist stuffs so they can influence the youth. Especially when this shit exploded when TikTok became the new big thing during COVID

 

[Aunt Carol]

Apparently, a troon came to school one day to give a talk on troons. This girl later came to her mother and started saying she thought she was trans, so now she is a he.

The fire department came to our school to give a talk on fire safety, and I had nightmares off and on about it for literally years.

This is when a parent has to step in and figure out if you're trans because you just saw a presentation, or if there's something else going on--but of course, that's crimethink in some jurisdictions.

It'd be interesting to see how many kids "came out" on the heels of that presentation. And a good argument for having people in the trades come in and give their own talks; imagine if a confused 12-year-old, looking for purpose and self-worth, suddenly announced that they'd decided they were going to become an electrician.

 

[Sissyagamben]

The Jews manufactured trannies so they themselves won’t be the most hated and grossest community

 

[pursuitsnail]

@AMHOLIO @Sir Joahim Browinson III It's more that I'm trying to suss out why when I drink from many of the same wells and soak in the same pools what made the difference between ending up a TRA or ending up confused on Kiwi Farms.

You guys may be on to something with edginess and rebellion. With atheism, I'm pretty sure that's not always the case. But the weird love for a romanticized vision of communism comes off as superficial no matter how much theory they claim to have read. It's like there's no thought about what this will be like in ten or twenty years down the road.

but we need an answer for existence.

I'm going to go with no. We don't need an answer. We'd just rather have one than not because we like stories and certainties.

 

[AnotherGuy_thexthone]

no idea if the question ever came up, but among Trans-activists and such, the symbol of the "mermaid" is quite common among them

I only say the trans-organisation "Mermaid" in england, and the book Julian is a Mermaid

one point why it is so common could be the case, that mermaids are usually seen as something feminin
another one might be, that some species of fish can change their gender
there is even a manga out there, were mermaids are able to change their gender (but like with fishes in reallife, the mermaids in this story don't do it out of their own free will)

and about Julian is a Mermaid, if I ever have a son, I will tell him, if they talk about this book in school, he should tell "he wants to be a Space Marine (one from 40k), who defeats the enemies of mankind"


also the mantra among feminists and LGBTQ when it comes to rise children was, that they should be allowed to play with the toys they want, disregarding their sex
so boys should play with dolls, and girls should play with cars, and such
it basically went further, by claiming that kids should be parented "gender neutral"

nowadays it says, if your boy plays with dolls, he is actually a girl and should get "gender-afferming-care"

The Jews manufactured trannies so they themselves won’t be the most hated and grossest community

you could be onto something

 

[Doktor Grimm]

I can't help but think that a lot of people falling for it, if not the main reason for the trenders, is that they are just extremely lonely.

Loneliness definitely plays a part - I know one of the main catalysts for my transition was an inability to relate to many of the guys in my life at the time.

I think it's worth looking into the gifted kid burnout-to-trans pipeline: kid becomes accustomed to receiving massive amounts of praise for little effort, tastes failure for the first time, so troons out to keep the asspats coming. Me and most of the trannies I met in high school fit this profile to a T. Maybe add in an unstable home life and a tendency to fixate on things from OCD/autism and you have the perfect recipe for troonism.

I worry sometimes about my friends daughter who is 12. So far she seems normal and healthy, and her parents are very level headed, but she lives in a really liberal area and one of her childhood friends has already been trooned out. I am not sure when the trooning happened, but it was at least 1-2 years ago.

Man it sucks to see children get into this stuff so young. It really does feel like nowhere and nobody is safe. If I'm right and trooning out isn't as cool as it used to be, it might be time for the younger generation to start calling the ideology out for what it is. For the sake of kids like her.

 

[AMHOLIO]

@Geoform 187 weird question: do you think people get dumber by choice when transitioning? Troons doing retard takes is as old as troonism, do you have any input on whether transitioners choose to act stupid or become stupid with drugs/loneliness/off balanced hormones?