Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Yamamura]

I randomly started thinking of this while travelling to work today, but is there a "healthy" way of handling AGP? Of course when AGP strikes it's just sort of an unfortunate luck of the draw, but maybe there is a non destructive way of coping with it that doesn't involve cutting your dick off and bothering other people.

Cross dressing while identifying as male could be a method of coping (goes without saying, but not while around children of course). I think as long as the person doing it is self aware that wearing clothes of the opposite sex is arousing to them and nothing more than that. Similar to how on Halloween dressing up as your favorite character could feel kinda cool, but the difference is you're not literally claiming you're identifying as the character you're dressing up as.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Cross dressing while identifying as male could be a method of coping

All sexual perversion is cope for something. While personally I find it gross and haram, it is what it is. Don't care rly.

Freud reading corner​

Caught up on sum lite freud reading, and this appeals to pooner only, but it's quite interesting. For the longest time I always thought Freud's hyper-focus on sexuality is neither here nor there, and might be a bit much, and just never looked much into it. Still need to look into penis envy more. Caught up on "Dora: An Analysis of a Case of Hysteria" and saw an interesting quote

These masculine or, more properly speaking, gynaecophilic currents of felling are to be regarded as typical of the unconcious erotic life of hysterical girls.

By gynaecophilic, Freud is only referring to being attracted to females, but in the context of it being masculine, or sexuality that is typical of males. I mean, most pooners are gay homos, but "male" mode of sexuality can definitely be manifested more than being gay homo, and seep into general composure of the pooner, making it wanting to be a pooner.

Here's another, in "General Remarks on Hysterical Attacks (1909)"

In general, the hysterical attack, like every form of hysteria, in women recalls to action a form of sexual activity which existed during childhood, and had at that time a pronounced masculine character. One may often observe that it is just those girls who in the years before puberty showed a boyish character and inclinations who tend to become hysterical at puberty. In a whole series of cases the hysterical neurosis is nothing but an excessive overaccentuation of the typical wave of repression through which the masculine type of sexuality is removed and the woman emerges.

The sexual activity which existed during childhood Freud is referring to in this text is masturbation, I don't think it's referring to sexual trauma. Never made sense to me before, now I'm obsessively staring into the troon poon abyss, it makes so much fucking sense. All the pooners are the most neurotic bitches you could ever meet. And I guess for the pooners, the masculine type of sexuality is never removed, and the woman never emerges.

what's more interesting is this quote earlier:

Since the repressed complex consists of libidinal cathexis and ideational content (phantasy), the attack may be aroused...(4) in the service of the secondary tendencies (epinosic gain) with which the state of illness becomes connected as soon as the patient can gain a useful purpose by the production of an attack

For Freud hysteria is more like generally being mental and crazy, and not necessarily episodic. He for sure would consider a woman who thinks she's a man to be hysterical. Funnily enough how being a poon is exactly at the same time a mental illness AND guarantees secondary gains of approval from poon echo-chambers.

If Freud had known the pooners, he would be so shocked at the level of psychopathology prevalent today. His case study, Dora, was just a strange, socially awkward, and mentally unstable GIRL, maybe with a tiny side of gay homo. Freud thought her repression of feelings for a guy etc were the roots of her hysteria, and definitely thought she was sick and not normal. Wait till he sees them bitches who are so neurotic and hysterical, they can't even manage to repress the "masculine type of sexuality." They are truly the classical Borderline: right on the border of neurosis and psychosis. So neurotic they exhibit psyhotic-appearing beliefs--being a man--but not in general truly psychotic. Will update with more psychoanalytic munbo jumbo after reading them penis envy

 

[teriyakiburns]

Freud was a hack.

 

[JamusActimus]

The sexualization and objectification of trans women (does not apply to trans men) is pretty concerning imo.
I don't know if it's because it's a bit of a fetish or because a lot of people were introduced to trans people via porn.
Maybe it's because of all the body modifications and it's a way to have a return on investment ? (Anisa Jomba made her onlyfans after having new boobs)

The amount of trans women doing sex work is alarming and I feel it's not because they want to but because trans culture expect them to do it.

-Keffals did porn as soon as he turned 18 and did a round 2 after getting mutilated
- The sphere hunter got fucked multiple times by Anthony sharia Cumia to get new boobs
- The twitch chess tranny (nigga had a freakout with his dad live) now makes porn
- A ton of trans women do porn after getting kicked out by their parents.
- Commie dick gurl makes communist porn (lol)

I feel that all of this gives the image of trans women being sexual objects made to be used.
Peer pressure makes people that have no affinity or talent for porn do it anyway because it's what trans women do.

 

[Wallace]

The sexualization and objectification of trans women (does not apply to trans men) is pretty concerning imo.
I don't know if it's because it's a bit of a fetish or because a lot of people were introduced to trans people via porn.

I don't think it's the only factor, but it's definitely up there. AGP, autosexuality in general (aroused by thinking of oneself), humiliation/sissificiation fetishes, etc. And of course, good old fashioned misogyny. Look up Andrea Long Chu's work.

Importantly, Chu is a biological male who identifies as a woman. Much of his work revolves around his transness and the process of ‘becoming’ a woman. This is the main subject of Females, a work of cultural criticism and deeply personal revelation. Here he describes, in gory detail, his compulsion to consume a particular genre of pornography known as ‘sissy porn’. This is where ostensibly heterosexual men are ‘feminised’ against their will, usually by being forced to wear frilly dresses. The erotic appeal of this seemingly stems from the humiliation of the ‘sissy’ – which assumes that the most degrading thing that can happen to a man is to become more like a woman.

If this were simply a private predilection, then maybe we could reserve judgement. But according to Chu, sissy porn is fundamental to his trans identity. Gender-critical feminists have long argued that there is a link between pornography’s objectification of women and the explosion of men identifying as women. Rarely, though, do trans activists admit to this link so brazenly. In Chu’s own words, ‘sissy porn did make me trans’.

In fact, pornography seems to inform Chu’s entire understanding of what it means to be a woman. His writing portrays women as purely sexual objects, devoid of their own will or inherent value. Chu explains: ‘At the centre of sissy porn lies the asshole, a kind of universal vagina through which femaleness can always be accessed. Getting fucked makes you female because fucked is what a female is.’ Charming.

For Chu, and no doubt some other men who call themselves trans, their identity as ‘women’ stems from this fetishised view of womanhood. Chu writes that he ‘transitioned for gossip and compliments… for Daisy Dukes, bikini tops and, my god, for the breasts’. He goes on to describe the ‘barest essentials’ of femaleness as ‘an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes’.

 

[LimeRikki]

This post is going to be talking about the menstrual cycle. For the sensitive boy kiwis who find that icky and yucky and who love to express how yucky they find biology, I'll hide it behind a spoiler.

Spoiler

I've seen more than once poking around on the site posts from TIFS make which make it seem like part of the reason they transitioned was to escape their period.

I think cultural stigma plays a part in this, in the USA anyway.

Rather than treating the menstrual cycle like a neutral natural biological process, which it is, It's treated as a source of shame from/by men and something that needs to be hidden unless you're in the company of other females. An example of that is exactly what I've done with hiding this post and part of the reason why I did it; to illustrate a point.

Maybe if we want to stop teenage girls from hating their puberty so much that they try to rid themselves of it in one of the worst ways possible, we can start by not being so weird about a natural, normal and core part of female puberty.

I'm not gonna pretend that I have any solutions here, just musings. Which is why I've posted it in this thread.

 

[doodoocaca]

I randomly started thinking of this while travelling to work today, but is there a "healthy" way of handling AGP? Of course when AGP strikes it's just sort of an unfortunate luck of the draw, but maybe there is a non destructive way of coping with it that doesn't involve cutting your dick off and bothering other people.

Cross dressing while identifying as male could be a method of coping (goes without saying, but not while around children of course). I think as long as the person doing it is self aware that wearing clothes of the opposite sex is arousing to them and nothing more than that. Similar to how on Halloween dressing up as your favorite character could feel kinda cool, but the difference is you're not literally claiming you're identifying as the character you're dressing up as.

Gonna go on a long limb here in a wind storm and all:

What about just, I dunno, having a real relationship with a straight woman and being appreciated by her for being an actual man that she wants?

 

[Wallace]

What about just, I dunno, having a real relationship with a straight woman and being appreciated by her for being an actual man that she wants?

Because that requires caring about someone besides yourself.

 

[Space Police]

I randomly started thinking of this while travelling to work today, but is there a "healthy" way of handling AGP?

Slight powerlevel, but as someone who has transitioned / crossdressed with AGP and desisted, the way to overcome it is to do some form of Nofap or semen retention -- not because of the nonsense about "gaining superpowers" or "building a masculine aura", but because the AGP is like an itch that you want to scratch, and the only way to make the itch go away is not to scratch it, but to ignore it entirely. You also have to really want the AGP to go away, which I did. I knew I only had two choices if I wanted to indulge my AGP. The first was to try to repress it while still masturbating/planning to transition and eventually be a John, 50 crossdresser wearing his wife's panties and leaving behind a transwidow. The second choice was to give in completely to the AGP immediately and transition, but risk embarrassing my parents, making them mad at and disappointed in me, and ruining my relationship with them. I wanted neither fate, so I decided that I needed to abstain from masturbation and entirely give up on transition as something possible for me. So far, it's been working -- minimizing and eliminating the role of sexuality/masturbation in my life has made me not want to transition very much anymore.

There was also a Peter Pan syndrome aspect of my desire to transition. There was a part of me afraid of becoming a man, so I wanted to become a woman to avoid becoming a man. This part was completely non-sexual; I was afraid of growing up long before I developed AGP. I dealt with the Peter Pan syndrome stuff by giving myself permission to wear more childish clothing and consume children's media when I can/feel like it, which has helped quite a bit in lessening my desire to transition.

While pornography did play a role in kickstarting my AGP (I mainly masturbated to images of lingerie models with their genitals/nipples covered -- I was actually disgusted by female nudity and never used hardcore porn), it was mainly crossdressing, masturbation, and online trans spaces that fed my AGP and made it worse. When I was in the thick of my AGP, I hadn't masturbated to the lingerie models for over a year. I had been crossdressing since I was 14 -- I believe this is because I conditioned myself by association to find lingerie/women's clothing attractive, not women -- but I stopped it for a while and only started it again when I discovered trans spaces online (subreddits, Discord servers, etc) at 16/17 and began thinking I was trans.

What about just, I dunno, having a real relationship with a straight woman and being appreciated by her for being an actual man that she wants?

This isn't good advice. Many AGPs have wives and girlfriends and decide to marry and have families in hope that it will give them responsibility and pride in being a man, but what usually ends up happening is that they start crossdressing in their wives' clothes and envy their wives. I, at least for now, plan on staying single for the rest of my life because I don't know how being in a relationship with a woman would effect my AGP, and I don't think it would be fair to subject her to my AGP/put her at risk of becoming a transwidow.

The amount of trans women doing sex work is alarming and I feel it's not because they want to but because trans culture expect them to do it.

There absolutely is an expectation to do sex work in trans spaces if you're feminine and passing enough. Many of the older, late-transition, laughably masculine AGPs wish they could be porn stars/sex workers because their AGP rests on a pornified idea of womanhood, so they project that desire onto younger, more passing troons. However, many troons (Keffals and CDG) do porn not so much because they're pressured/exploited into it, but because they have a pornified idea of womanhood, so doing porn is the peak fulfillment of their AGP.

 

[AFAB]

I randomly started thinking of this while travelling to work today, but is there a "healthy" way of handling AGP? Of course when AGP strikes it's just sort of an unfortunate luck of the draw, but maybe there is a non destructive way of coping with it that doesn't involve cutting your dick off and bothering other people.

Healthy is probably not the best way to describe it, but would aversion therapy be successful in handling AGP?

 

[doodoocaca]

Really good stuff

I respect your honesty and thank you for your insights. You raise a very interesting point, sadly one that only KF can even talk about.

Besides an honest appraisal of the condition, you also talk about at least one means to treat it. Unfortunately, that will never pass (heh) around anything left leaning or even most contemporary liberals. Self denial, or even discipline, seems to just be a non starter. We also know that what you suggest is going to go over like a lead balloon among teenagers. I have a few followup questions in light of this:

Do you see a cure, or perhaps a way to minimize and manage the urges, while allowing you to have healthy relationships?

If AGP is a permanent condition that seems mutually exclusive to healthy relationships it needs to be screened and prevented, or at least quickly intervened with, wouldn't you say?

 

[Space Police]

Do you see a cure, or perhaps a way to minimize and manage the urges, while allowing you to have healthy relationships?

Romantic relationships or just relationships with others in general? I have some good friends and a good relationship with my family, so I can maintain healthy relationships with others in general. I'm not sure about romantic relationships, though. Most AGPs don't seem to be in romantic relationships unless they're in T4T prison gay relationships or they transitioned while they were married.

If AGP is a permanent condition that seems mutually exclusive to healthy relationships it needs to be screened and prevented, or at least quickly intervened with, wouldn't you say?

Yes, it absolutely must be screened and prevented immediately. If you nip it in the bud pretty quickly -- acknowledge that you have AGP, get out of the trans spaces, and eliminate porn/masturbation/crossdressing -- it can go away. Unfortunately, this is difficult due to trans spaces saying that such actions are "conversion therapy" and that AGP isn't real, and many times it takes the AGP being disillusioned with medical transition (not passing or developing health issues from cross-sex HRT/surgeries) to even admit that he may be AGP.

 

[Pentaborane]

Why are cross-sex hormones even making trannies feel better? Troonism is fake and gay so there's no logical reason for this. If you gave a troon something that he assumed to be hormones and wasn't complete placebo, would he be happily using it ever after?

And yeah, there's the oxytocin high and all that.

 

[Wallace]

Why are cross-sex hormones even making trannies feel better? Troonism is fake and gay so there's no logical reason for this. If you gave a troon something that he assumed to be hormones and wasn't complete placebo, would he be happily using it ever after?

And yeah, there's the oxytocin high and all that.

It has never been tested, but yes, IMO it's a placebo. Their hugbox tells them that hormones are a magical cure for all of their problems, and they are highly incentivized to share how euphoric hormones make them. You could make a bundle putting TicTacs into pink and blue gel capsules.

 

[Ann Berlin]

The amount of trans women doing sex work is alarming and I feel it's not because they want to but because trans culture expect them to do it.

We can probably thank Reddit coombrains. The high schoolers browsing these sites consoom so much for free, in a "cleaner" environment than say, pornhub, it looks more appealing. They think it's just a fun and sexy thing to do. It also gives them the recognition of having a username (receiving comments like "I love when you post here!") with the anonymity of not using their real name.

Hell, tumblr (back before) and Twitter provided similar draws to post nudes online at 00:00 on a kid's 18th birthday. After all, younger posters get more attention and praise that teens crave, especially internet natives who live for likes and reposts.

TikTok and OnlyFans are particularly evil with the normalization of being a camwhore because unlike the other sites these are deeply embedded in normie culture and unforunately skew much younger.

Hell world. Clown world.

 

[Am I Very Wrong]

I'm starting to think the tranny bullshit itself isn't even the worst about trooning out

They become more arrogant, self centered, unreasonable (that is to be expected), and prone to start drama. It really brings the absolute worst out of people who can already be hard to manage.
I sometimes can't even make sense of why they're angry

Also i remember when even some diehard troons would admit that they shouldn't be allowed into women's sports, but of course it's not the case anymore and they're even starting to claim that those revolting wounds are the same as real vaginas and deserve the attention of gynecolgists.

We're also way past the point where you could say that being attracted to a transwoman is gay and viceversa. As if my wife trooning out would suddenly make me gay just because she's a male in her mind.

They're starting to ask for more and more acceptance every single day and people are being forced to take a stance, which is what they claim to be after but in reality we all know how it's gonna turn out.

I just hope it doesn't take much longer than needed

 

[Wallace]

I'm starting to think the tranny bullshit itself isn't even the worst about trooning out

They become more arrogant, self centered, unreasonable (that is to be expected), and prone to start drama. It really brings the absolute worst out of people who can already be hard to manage.
I sometimes can't even make sense of why they're angry

Also i remember when even some diehard troons would admit that they shouldn't be allowed into women's sports, but of course it's not the case anymore and they're even starting to claim that those revolting wounds are the same as real vaginas and deserve the attention of gynecolgists.

We're also way past the point where you could say that being attracted to a transwoman is gay and viceversa. As if my wife trooning out would suddenly make me gay just because she's a male in her mind.

They're starting to ask for more and more acceptance every single day and people are being forced to take a stance, which is what they claim to be after but in reality we all know how it's gonna turn out.

I just hope it doesn't take much longer than needed

Narcissism. The term you are looking for is narcissism. They have the narc's need for control, the need for admiration, the sense of entitlement, the need for perfection, the lack of empathy, the disregard for boundaries, the lack of responsibility, and of course the emotional immaturity.

The trans self acts as a pseudo-false self. The narcissist pretends that his false self is real and demands that others affirm this delusion, meanwhile keeping his real, imperfect true self hidden. Anything that threatens to expose the true self is met with narcissistic rage, typically by demanding the threat be destroyed.

 

[OneMillionRPM]

I have to wonder if anything can be done about it at this point, internet-wise. I mean you've got conservatives passing laws and boycotting companies, but that's tackling things on the real-life front. Meanwhile on the internet, trannies use this as an excuse to bitch and moan and generate more sympathy for themselves.

You'd have to find a way to sap that sympathy away. But it's not as easy as sharing instances of trannies being creeps because people have had "that never happens"/"that's just a few outliers"/etc drilled into their brains.

 

[AMHOLIO]

They become more arrogant, self centered, unreasonable (that is to be expected), and prone to start drama. It really brings the absolute worst out of people who can already be hard to manage.
I sometimes can't even make sense of why they're angry

It's almost as if it's fueled by mental illness, fear, anxiety, and self hatred. Hmmm.....
A lot of it is teaching people bad coping mechanisms towards their problems. If someone says something negative to you AND you have some form of anxiety or compulsive thought that causes you to focus on it, what do you do? "Giving into it" is not the answer for about 90% of the time, especially if you are the originator of the thought. Instead it turns people into panicking animals, running and crying or lashing out in anger towards agressors because they feel unsafe. Feels bad man.

I have to wonder if anything can be done about it at this point, internet-wise.

I'm going to say that not everything can be fixed and you can't stop people. Part of it is a fad so it'll fade eventually.

The sexualization and objectification of trans women (does not apply to trans men) is pretty concerning imo.

I'd also like to point out that a lot of people who transition are vulnerable to others, whether it's low self esteem or autism that makes them more suggestable. Various trans people in and out of transition have remarked about how sexualized everyone is and how there's a number of groups hoping for sex as fast as possible.

 

[Yamamura]

This might just be me sounding like a schizo but has anyone else ever encountered one of these shill accounts on reddit or twitter?

It just sort of sticks out to me because the person behind them doesn't seem to post anything else except maybe one or two posts to subs, such as r/minecraft or r/pokemon (which are coincidentally things that kids like). These accounts do nothing but blast out tranny memes on the egg_irl subreddits and don't have any apparent interests outside of shilling troonery. All the memes follow the same methodical templates they know are popular with kids and redditors and seem almost robotic.

Just like how Null said that /pol/ is basically just feds and fed bots trying to groom other feds into committing crimes. If I didn't know any better, I'm starting to think there are some interest groups or CIA creating these bots/shills on the "egg" subs to groom teenagers on mass as part of some larger campaign.