Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[2SLGBQTIA+ 2 Furious]

Being gender critical is usually linked with being "far right" (lol). Does this cause people to not be openly gender critical, or to try and gaslight themselves into accepting trannies? I feel like if it wasn't seen as a far right thing we'd have more people openly against it. I still think the silent majority are anti-trans, even when they're not that right leaning.

The silent majority are anti-trans only by the standards of terminally online tranny wokescolds. The "live and let live" mentality mentioned on this very page is exhibited in hundreds, if not thousands, of comments on this site. The "live and let live" mentality is held by lifelong leftists and forum users who call everyone nigger autists alike; people of both persuasions vacate this mentality because they experience troon behaviour, first-hand or otherwise.

The silent majority simply haven't done the reading yet, and while there is more anti-tranny propaganda than there used to be, it's possible to peak just by actually listening to what troons say themselves. There's more pro-tranny propaganda too, of course, but the direction of travel of public opinion on child transition, men in women's sports and prisons is all one way as more people learn about the reality of it.

How many people on the street would actually know what "gender critical" meant if you asked them? Colin Wright posted this survey on X which suggests that a substantial set of the UK population don't know what "trans woman" means and aren't even sure if "trans woman" and "transgender woman" mean the same thing. Both the phenomenon and the terminology were so rare that I was basically in this boat until adulthood.



While we're on people not having a clue when asked about gender nonsense, the data from the 2021 UK Census suggested that people who don't speak English well were five times as likely to identify as trans, Muslims were more likely to be trans than people with no religion, black people were more likely to be trans than white people.

It was funny to see the pearl clutching over Trump saying "about a week before the election, bring [men in women's sports] up, you can't lose." Trump exaggerates by saying it's a 95% issue, but not by a huge amount.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Not a question about troons but something similar

Why do some adult men who don't go through a full puberty come across more like women than boys.
Here's an example, the short haired person in the grey t-shirt is a 35 year old heterosexual man with androgen insensitivity.

No wonder pooners change more than troons.

 

[オプセック]

Not a question about troons but something similar

Why do some adult men who don't go through a full puberty come across more like women than boys.
Here's an example, the short haired person in the grey t-shirt is a 35 year old heterosexual man with androgen insensitivity.

No wonder pooners change more than troons.

Because that's just how it is. The twink stereotype and all that. Guys like that don't really come across as women to me, more like weird teenage girls.
He's basically a 35 year old teenage late bloomer, but forever.
That's the heinous thing about troonery and why some young guys fall for that when encouraged.

 

[Aunt Carol]

The silent majority simply haven't done the reading yet

When you hear your favorite actor or musician say something vague about trans rights, it's helpful to remember that most of them are normies too.

It seems impossible in this day and age, but then again, the average rock star hasn't had his gaming group and his scifi dork Discord blown apart by troon drama and contagion, or had to humor a theyfab at work who's in solid with HR.

I bet Vin Diesel knows how one troon can ruin an entire TTRPG group, but he has to keep quiet or they won't let him be in car movies.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Is the only way to beat troonism once and for all to appeal to nature? By nature I mean the philosophical/theological version of nature, not the typical definition.

Every troon/poon is a human being by nature, but they're also either a man or woman by nature as well. One might claim they're a AMAB or AFAB with a different nature from their assigned gender, but I would argue this is impossible because that would imply a metaphysical mix up, a metaphysical mistake that is. Mistakes don't happen on the Metaphysical level, so it stands to reason that the aforementioned rebuttal couldn't possibly hold water.

"Ehrm, but what about intersex people "

A valid question. The way I see it there's only two real solutions to this.

A( You simply allow said intersex people the liberty to decide on their own what nature their sex is.

B( You abandon the gender binary, and classify every intersex disorder as its own gender.

Either one works I suppose, but neither is satisfactory; regardless, intersex people make up such a low percentage of the population that either solution wouldn't effect the average person on a day to day level.

I know this is far back, and I haven't read up to the recent pages (so someone may have answered this in better detail) but your argument fails by assuming sex is a binary; it is not. Sex is bimodal, that is something that typically has two forms but has a strong deviance in a spectrum. With those that are intersex, they will typically appear to be closer to one sex than the other, even if this leaning is slight.

This is something critical because thinking of sex as a binary is critical to the trans movement; that is by virtue of sex being a binary (and thus gender is a biproduct as a construct of the perception of sex), then sex is necessary as to permit and justify the activity of the dick chop and HRT before the development of an individual based primarily on the Mill's Greatest Happiness principle. That is, the ethical reasoning behind why early surgery is deemed appropriate because it is a slight trade off as to presume they'll be happier in life, for which utilitarian ethics (especially with Mill being the steward of Jeremy Bentham, modern liberalism primarily comes from Hedonism). This is seen to be a good thing as it allows someone to become akin to a binary rather than exist in a bimodal space.

If any movement has done any damage to the intersex movement, it would be the trans movement (which is why despite how the trans movement tries to coy up to the Intersex movement, the intersex movement remains against them). Gender reassignment surgery for instance was something forced on those that were intersex activism without any explicit input from the child (as they were, a baby) and in many cases the parents with this being done by the doctor (seem familiar?). This was a big point of intersex activism. Of course, with the trans movement being a deeply regressive movement what we are seeing is a return to the lack of agency in such matters with the reinforcement of gender stereotypes and a return to a binary, instead of bimodal model. I do hope this makes sense as I am sleep deprived af whilst writing this and haven't had sufficient time to proof read but at least wanted to respond.

If any of you are interested in further reading on this, I'd say go with Galileo's Middle Finger by Alice Dreger.

 

[2SLGBQTIA+ 2 Furious]

your argument fails by assuming sex is a binary; it is not. Sex is bimodal, that is something that typically has two forms but has a strong deviance in a spectrum. With those that are intersex, they will typically appear to be closer to one sex than the other, even if this leaning is slight.

You seem to be describing things that are downstream of sex rather than sex itself. Sex itself is binary. Intersex people have disorders of sexual development (DSDs) which can result in atypical phenotypes, but all are either male or female.

I haven't seen one in the wild for a while, but I looked for some examples of "bimodal sex" graphs that get trotted out in online debates and found this page [archive] from Sex Matters ft. Emma Hilton which is a pretty good explainer.

The first graph on this page is just an example of a bimodal distribution with no units. The second is a bimodal distribution of gender which isn't relevant as it's about the social construct rather than biological classification (in any case, there are no units on the x-axis). You seem to be describing something like the third graph:



Why is the x-axis measuring at least 4-5 different things? What are the variables being measured on the x-axis and what units are we measuring them with? Would the male peak be to the left of the female peak for all of these variables (e.g. gamete size vs. testosterone levels)? Even if you limited the x-axis to chromosomes, are XYY chromosomes more or less male than XY chromosomes?

Sex Matters on DSDs [archive]:

DSDs are sex-specific: each affects only people of one sex or the other. People with DSDs do not belong to a third sex, or both sexes.

To the best of my knowledge this refers to the way in which a DSD affects each of the sexes rather than whether each sex can have the DSD, e.g. a male or a female could have complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), the effect on a male would be external genitals which look like a vulva despite having internal testes, while the effect on a female would be negligible because their sexual development is not reliant on androgens.

I also found this graph posted to X by lovelyYmir in 2022 (GhostArchive not working). Ymir says:

There is way more information on this, but to keep it brief. Sex is not entirely binary, it's bimodal (refer to graph). Anyone can have any set of sex characteristics the lottery of life gives them. Similarly most fit a binary gender, but there still will be some who don't.

The bar chart on the left makes perfect sense because male and female are separate categories. If there were a third sex (there isn't) you could add a third bar representing that sex. Assuming this graph represents the total human population, as intersex people are male or female they are accounted for in each of the bars. If you wanted, you could have four bars labelled males and females with and without DSDs, with two large and two very small bars, but the presence of four bars would not indicate more than two sexes.

The distribution graph on the right makes no sense because it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to pick one measurable variable and get this distribution. The obvious one would be testosterone levels, but the two peaks would be so far apart and the overlap so small as to essentially, if not entirely, be separate. In any case, the x-axis variable would not be sex.

I don't know if Ymir made these graphs, but for added context they were posted halfway through a long thread on whether various Attack on Titan characters are non-binary.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

@ConsentAccidentVictimNo98. I'm drunk and will not be reading all that. You lost me at sex is not binary.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

Honestly I believe the transgender phenomenon is possibly the biggest evidence against post modernism as a philosphy. There are objective truths, and every single culture beforehand knew of these truths. The human eye is able to distuinguish male and female without using words. "Trans people" would literally not exist without language.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

Sappy off-topic post, don't feel obligated to read it.

I'm sure by now a lot of the regular posters here have read my original post that I made when I first made an account on KF.

Spoiler

It took awhile, but I did rejoin a different gym this week, and fingers crossed there are no trannies in my future. The more I thought about it, the more uncomfortable being a victim of that tranny made me. I worked out there for a year, and prior to that troon experience, I felt really comfortable working out there and trying new exercise routines and leaning new equipment. And that creep took that experience away from me and put me in a months-long stall on my workout progress. But the one I am at now is closer to home, and has more amenities, so is a nice upgrade and not that much more expensive. I feel I have come full circle and life has carried on.

Reading the responses here and understanding people's different point of view from the mainstream narrative really helped me a lot. Basically, its taught me that I can have my own thoughts and opinions and no one in my public life has to know. I can see the reality that is in front of my eyes, and no one can tell me that it is false because I do not have to share what I see with them. In a way, this dumb website has taught me boundaries and self-preservation better than any therapist could. No way I could bring the troon topic up to a therapist and be comfortable talking about it. People here don't hold back from their opinions and the truth of what they see. Some of it is right and some of it is a little off, but at the end of the day, the truth as I know it prevails.

 

[Cake Point]

>found someone with cool personality on social media
>finally.jpg
>maybe things aren't really that bad
>has pronouns on their bio and posts about supporting trannies and how we all have to be "inclusive"

Why can't normies just be normies

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

>found someone with cool personality on social media
>finally.jpg
>maybe things aren't really that bad
>has pronouns on their bio and posts about supporting trannies and how we all have to be "inclusive"

Why can't normies just be normies

That was me a few months ago so there’s hope. They just need direct exposure to some hardcore agp troons and a slideshow on SRS.

 

[Cake Point]

That was me a few months ago so there’s hope. They just need direct exposure to some hardcore agp troons and a slideshow on SRS.

That's good to hear. I was in the same place when I was younger, so I guess you're right. I just read your posts about the creepy troon at your gym and I hope you'll never have to face any troons ever again irl

 

[XavierRBlood]

Why do many women fetishize Homosexuality and Transexuals? You don't see this shit in male circles.

 

[Black British Nerd]

Why do many women fetishize Homosexuality and Transexuals? You don't see this shit in male circles.

They likely want to be men tbh
-Self inserting as man having gay relationship
-fantasizing about having a dick and then self inserting as being a trans woman

Why do we act like not all trans women who like men. Data shows AGP (lesbian) trans are mostly attracted to other trans women who have a dick.
GAM means shemale



"Why do we act like not all trans women like men" I mean. I can't edit posts

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

The tranny concept of the "true self" is really weird to me and IDK how so many normies eat it up. You have grown men who divorce their wives and abandon their kids to "find their true self" (the whole term seems like psychological masturbation to me) and this supposed true self consists of very shallow gender markers like wearing dresses and shit. Maybe I'm the crazy one but I don't believe anyone has a true self, we are all ever-changing based on the people around us, how we view ourselves and the things we experience. Lots of professional actors end up picking up mannerisms or speech patterns from their (completely fake) roles, that's just being human. I wonder if troons are just too autistic to cope with the fact that they don't have a self they can neatly put into a box, so they invent a shallow one-dimensional persona they can become.

 

[Paper Machete]

The tranny concept of the "true self" is really weird to me and IDK how so many normies eat it up. You have grown men who divorce their wives and abandon their kids to "find their true self" (the whole term seems like psychological masturbation to me) and this supposed true self consists of very shallow gender markers like wearing dresses and shit. Maybe I'm the crazy one but I don't believe anyone has a true self, we are all ever-changing based on the people around us, how we view ourselves and the things we experience. Lots of professional actors end up picking up mannerisms or speech patterns from their (completely fake) roles, that's just being human. I wonder if troons are just too autistic to cope with the fact that they don't have a self they can neatly put into a box, so they invent a shallow one-dimensional persona they can become.

I do believe there is a thing as a true self. However being more in tune with that requires an almost complete lack of ego. And trannies have the opposite problem. Anyway the true self thing is just a lie. It's a harder sell to present it as the truth.

 

[SnergenFlergen]

I often wonder what would happen if a load of trannies (let's say 50 troons and pooners apiece) were parachuted onto a desert island and left to fend for themselves.

Obviously in reality they'd all be dead within a few days (likely due to a combination of starvation, infighting and succumbing to stinkditch infections because of lack of sanitation), but for the sake of this thought experiment let's say they survive long enough to form some sort of functioning society.

My prediction is that they'd revert back to factory settings in fairly short order. The troons would adopt the hunter-gatherer role, while the pooners would maintain the domiciles. Basically they'd all learn the hard way that 'gender roles' aren't just some arbitrary thing that society imposes on us- they are in fact hardwired into our DNA and match the skillsets that come about naturally as a result of our sexual dimorphism.

Transgenderism only exists because of our overly decadent and tolerant society- so when they're removed from that context (and their synthetic hormones), I conjecture that they'd all renounce their bullshit pretty fast. Either they'd adhere to the roles best suited to their anatomy, or they'd die.

Although of course the most likely outcome is they'd all just die regardless, because these people are completely fucking feckless even in optimal circumstances.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Something I've been noticing is that although rare, there is a certain "trans-fetishism".
I don't mean regular AGP-AAP behavior but I'm seeing rare cases where someone just wants to be trans for the sake of being trans.
I have seen something rather strange lately, I met this guy that is born a man, obviously male, not really gender nonconforming as he still dresses and acts like any regular man, although he calls himself non binary, he finds pooners attractive, but in a way that he wants to be like them, he fantasizes about having zippertits and all. Even though he is a born man he finds the idea of being a pooner attractive. I don't know if this is some kind of twisted pooner AGP fantasy of him, and I find it strange as I don't think I've seen something like this before.

A little unrelated but I think it kind of reminds me of the puppychan case (theres a thread of her here on the farms if you want full information)
Even though she doesnt call herself non binary anymore, and calls herself a transgender boy I see she has this fascination with MTF troons to the point she has a weird behavior similar to AGP transbians of hyper sexualizing female bodies "but is not a fetish guys!!"

I know the term would be transtrenders, spicy straights that want to be special by slapping the label of trans with out doing any effort of transitioning, I know this type is very common among Non Binary people but most cases are only for attention seeking sake.

But what I find interesting in these two cases is the fascination of these people with specifically the trans label of the opposite sex. Being a man fascinated with the idea of a woman pretending to be her own weird idea of what a man is, or a woman interested in the lifestyle of men pretending to be a groteste vision of what he thinks a woman is

 

[SnergenFlergen]

Something I've been noticing is that although rare, there is a certain "trans-fetishism".
I don't mean regular AGP-AAP behavior but I'm seeing rare cases where someone just wants to be trans for the sake of being trans.

This is most definitely a phenomenon and it's not just limited to trannies. I've seen a few people who aren't a part of the LMNOP community, but desperately want to be. It's not difficult to see why, as they are practically deified in normie media.

Usually people like this will just settle for slapping the 'non-binary' label on themselves, as this is the easiest and least committal method to become a part of the community. You literally just say the magic words "I'm non-binary" and boom, all of a sudden you're a fully fledged card-carrying member of the cool club and you don't need to do anything beyond that to validate your credentials.

In the specific case of the person you mentioned, it's just a fetish. Nothing more, nothing less. He's a heterosexual man who is attracted to women (which pooners are), but in a very specific, twisted and fetishistic way (in much the same way that some fucking weirdos are turned on by amputees).

Usually the more unusual behaviour of people in the LGBT Community (as well as their orbiters) can be explained as being a result of some fetish and this case is no exception.

 

[Paper Machete]

An AGP whose ideal woman he wants to become is a pooner? We're reaching levels of circular fetish logic that scientifically shouldn't be possible. Have you pointed and laughed in his face yet?