Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[AMHOLIO]

but what about the similar issue of body dysmorphia? the condition in which people will go as far as to starve themselves or even remove limbs because they see something everyone else around them does not.

Strangely I'm guessing that trans humanist trans people actually support a lot of this: usually they have body dysmorphia themselves but more geared towards wanting to become robots, furries, extra arms, extreme body mods, etc.. I think anorexia only escapes because a lot of 90s and 2000s entertainment for kids (remember, autism) tackles how eating disorders and weightloss are bad. That, and they have a 50% chance of being FAT themselves. If you questioned trans people on their beliefs for body mods in general, you'd get a lot more for it.

i think its because of the money. if there was more profit to be made from telling an anorexic person to starve themselves more because being a weird skeleton monster is the ideal beauty standard then that would be the norm and anyone who argued otherwise would be seen as an awful body shaming monster.

This really amuses me. I think you're at least partially right but we can't discount how crucial them being in the LGBT movement is. Early 2010s you had them say the same slogans as gays, then time went on and they had to make more and more ridiculous arguments based on their extreme beliefs and shifting of their own overton window of politics within the trans community. The 2010s Social Justice Movement was latched onto by parasites all over, including these retards.

when asked, they can't explain why being an animal is supposed to be so bad? they can't refute, so simply scream it is a horrible thing to say in the first place.
they treat it as a mean accusation instead of a fact.

the religious/spritual basis of troondom becomes pretty obvious.

It's a surprise considering how many are furries too.

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I've seen so many TIMs who now completely ignore the question and say "It doesn't matter what the definition of a woman is because every woman's experience(even cis women)with womanhood is different from everyone elses." The problem with their logic is that if there really is no clear way to be a woman and defining it then how exactly can TIMS know they feel like women when being a woman has no clear meaning to it?

The other problem is how do we account for countries populated by black, brown, and asian people on what is a woman? Try and pull that on a bunch of Peruvian farmers and they'd laugh at you. They're brown, thus your argument is invalid, white "girl".

 

[KNUCKLE SANDWICH]

Normie here. Always been a questioner, never accepted things as is, and the trans shit always struck a nerve with me. Ever since I heard about it after CJ transed, I noticed the inconsistencies in logic between the second-wave feminist "gender is a social construct" and the trans "we play with dolls so we are REAL women!!". The stigma against talking about it is insane though. Feel like any time someone I know comes out to me in private I suddenly am walking on eggshells permanently. I'm one of the least conflict-averse people I know but this shit has gone out of hand. Definitely feels like some Orwellian shit.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Someone left a bad review for a French gynaecologist because he sent a MTF troon away and wouldn't see them: -



In his reply he says that he takes care of real women and has no skills related to men, even if they shave their beard off and tell his secretary that they have become a woman. He says that there are services out there specifically for trans people and he thanks the reviewer for informing trans people not to come to him.

This incident led to an organisation called SOS Homophobie, a French LGBTQ+ organisation, to report the doctor to the minister for equalities, clearly in an attempt to get him punished or fired.

It's another example of why troons piss me off, literally trying to force themselves into female spaces, even when it makes absolutely zero sense. Either the troon has a cock and balls or a vile axe wound, neither of which a gynaecologist will be able to help with, but I wouldn't be surprised if they got off on it.

 

[Space Police]

Someone left a bad review for a French gynaecologist because he sent a MTF troon away and wouldn't see them: -

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In his reply he says that he takes care of real women and has no skills related to men, even if they shave their beard off and tell his secretary that they have become a woman. He says that there are services out there specifically for trans people and he thanks the reviewer for informing trans people not to come to him.

This incident led to an organisation called SOS Homophobie, a French LGBTQ+ organisation, to report the doctor to the minister for equalities, clearly in an attempt to get him punished or fired.

It's another example of why troons piss me off, literally trying to force themselves into female spaces, even when it makes absolutely zero sense. Either the troon has a cock and balls or a vile axe wound, neither of which a gynaecologist will be able to help with, but I wouldn't be surprised if they got off on it.

I remember talking to a troon with a stinkditch who said that whenever he went to a gynecologist they could never tell he had a stinkditch. Talk about cope.

 

[Comfyman]

Is there any information about practices of psychiatrists in regards to, bluntly said, leading patients into transgenderism and SRS?
I've found this german video about a 'positive case' of a ftm, where a mother talks to a ftm activist called Balian Buschbaum about her daughter who had SRS.
In the beginning the mother describes how her daughter grew up in a patchwork family and was never like 'her other girls', that instead of playing with dolls she'd rather play with trains, would wear pants instead of dresses etc. To the question if she thought that 'Nadine has always been Noah' (even in toddler age), she answers 'Surely, even back then it was already different, but I would never have guessed that my child would feel like it is in the wrong body, not at that age and also not later with the start of puberty" and that she thought she might be a lesbian. Then when they start talking about the 'coming out', the mother explains that she didn't know about anything until a talk in September 2017 with her daughter, 21 at the time, and the psychiatrist, in which she 'came out' and revealed she wants SRS and that she had already informed herself and made an appointment for a talk at the clinic in Munich in November 2017. She then says that the same psychiatrist asked her in a previous therapy already, if she felt like a girl, to which she had answered that she did and to which the mother adds that 'at that point he (the daughter) wasn't honest, even to her (the psychiatist)'.
Now what I ask myself is, if the daughter really always wanted to be a boy and had concrete plans about that before the therapy, or if the psychiatrist lead her to those ideas and enabled them instead of trying to fix her mental health. And if there is a general pattern of psychiatrists doing that.

 

[gata]

Why do these troons compare non-mammals to trannies?? Clownfish can change gender because of the unforgiving environment they're living in and to survive to give birth so they can not be extinct.
Humans are mammals and as far as I've known there is no current mammal that can change their whole biological chemistry and there's only genetic mutations like intersexs. yet i see TRAs and non-mammal biologists trying to use non-mammals as a gatcha for how trannies (a broken mammal) are hekkin scientifically valid chud. The fuck? It feels like creationists talking about how evolution is not real. Science getting slowly fucked over by a bunch of self-harming cultists and id-politics is quite horrific.
Also notice none of these tranny science fucks try to use our monkey relatives for their shit science? How can you say humans can change gender yet the other members of our primate family can't?

 

[Roland TB-303]

Why do these troons compare non-mammals to trannies??

Because trannies aren’t human.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Why do these troons compare non-mammals to trannies??

Because they FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE and if you disagree with them you must be a science denying chud.

 

[Varsha Nagini]

Tranny agp murdered by the lesbian he tricked in Japan, interesting case.

Yet the true crime channel doesn't acknowledge the tranny mtf agp is a tranny... oh, the dissonance.

 

[Jacques1194]

I'm wondering if they'll be a day where Christians will make up something like "God affirming care" to argue that belief in God has decrease suicide rates and post studies about how religious countries are the happiest in generally believing in a deity.I can never understand how an atheist can believe in a gender identity that cant be measure or observe but call religious people delusional.It's even more bizarre how some atheists want to correct people who believe in a God that they weren't created, but are ok with playing into a delusional person's self identity despite not being said sex because it makes them happy.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I can never understand how an atheist can believe in a gender identity that cant be measure or observe but call religious people delusional.

Me too, friend. You could probably swap "gender" for "soul" in most things with a bit of tweaking.

Transgenderism is a metaphysical belief system that's being endorsed by corporations and enforced by government. The people who were loudest about separation of church and state, back in the 2000s or so, don't seem to have realized. Penn Jillette's daughter is a pooner, and the big atheist Libertarian has no problem with apologizing when he forgets the company line.

 

[AMHOLIO]

It's even more bizarre how some atheists want to correct people who believe in a God that they weren't created, but are ok with playing into a delusional person's self identity despite not being said sex because it makes them happy.

Me too, friend. You could probably swap "gender" for "soul" in most things with a bit of tweaking.

In America, a number can be described as Christian Contrarians rather than pure atheists. Churches and their communities can do a lot of good, but there are always going to be crazy hardcore people who give their kids a distaste for religion and people in religious organizations making choices to screw people over. There's the factor of "FUCK YOU DAD" too, of course, especially for those who make it their personality. Both types will have a prejudice against the religion they were raised with, usually Christianity over here, so they may or may not still be missing a belief system in their life.

And contrarians are most likely to, well, be contrary to what they see their past religion(s) believe. It's not always thought, it's a lashing out of emotions. Thus, trans = good as long as people they don't like think the same. And some are still "religious", but it doesn't register with them that "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" fevor or their political affiliation is their new belief system. It's a weird phenomenon. It's not bad to want a religion or not want one but people don't always look at their lives critically or don't want to.

There's also atheists who don't know the depths of trans people and see it as a surface thing like gay. Gay seems to be determined by genetic and enviormental factors, and if you let them live they're like most other people on the planet (except more gay sex). There's problems within their culture but usually the culture's problems doesn't spread outside too much and all human cultures have their own problems tbh. It's more common to know a gay person IRL you interact with on a weekly basis than a troon still. Kiwis are more online gremlins than most of society so we get the unfortunate luck of being exposed to the most obnoxious bits of troonism, but we're not the majority of people and those who live mostly normal IRL lives don't encounter as many ma'amtrums and crybully FtMs. So those atheists usually go "gays not hurting anyone = the T not hurting anyone", and it's usually through ignorance and unfamiliarity.

 

[TruffleSpark]

In America, a number can be described as Christian Contrarians rather than pure atheists. Churches and their communities can do a lot of good, but there are always going to be crazy hardcore people who give their kids a distaste for religion and people in religious organizations making choices to screw people over. There's the factor of "FUCK YOU DAD" too, of course, especially for those who make it their personality. Both types will have a prejudice against the religion they were raised with, usually Christianity over here, so they may or may not still be missing a belief system in their life.

I think there's a thing where people reject explicit Christian dogma but they still maintain a Christian moral framework. And they just plug new variables into it.

Spoiler: Warning, sperging out about religion

My big unifying crank theory on American culture is that a lot it is still based on a weird version of 17th century English Christian Protestantism that doesn't really exist in England anymore. Specifically there is the culture descended from the people who settled the north who became the Puritans, this culture has been heavily secularized but it still correlates to what we today would think of American liberalism. Just look at their love of policing language and cancelling people and tell me they wouldn't have been burning people at the stake for blasphemy 400 years ago. And there's the people who settled south of the Mason-Dixon line who became the Baptists. Obviously there's been a ton of other immigrant groups since then, but because these two groups came first every subsequent group has been influenced by them to at least some extent. Only the thing is a lot of the new secular beliefs are unbound from any sort of religious text, back in the day your beliefs were limited by the King James Bible. But these days this moral framework is flexible enough you can use it to justify anything.

There's also atheists who don't know the depths of trans people and see it as a surface thing like gay. Gay seems to be determined by genetic and enviormental factors, and if you let them live they're like most other people on the planet (except more gay sex). There's problems within their culture but usually the culture's problems doesn't spread outside too much and all human cultures have their own problems tbh. It's more common to know a gay person IRL you interact with on a weekly basis than a troon still. Kiwis are more online gremlins than most of society so we get the unfortunate luck of being exposed to the most obnoxious bits of troonism, but we're not the majority of people and those who live mostly normal IRL lives don't encounter as many ma'amtrums and crybully FtMs. So those atheists usually go "gays not hurting anyone = the T not hurting anyone", and it's usually through ignorance and unfamiliarity.

This used to be me, I used to think trans people were weird but mostly harmless. It took a lot of exposure to the trans community to eventually get me to get that they are not just Gay 2.0. Some gays can be disgusting degenerates, but being an out of touch with reality narcissist is a requirement to be a troon, in a way it isn't to be gay.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Checked out the "transrace"and "transracial" tags on tumblr and it is full of speds complaining that they aren't as accepted as other transid people. And they have a point, transrace isn't really any less retarded than transgender. You can tell they are resentful of the transgenders, but instead of being direct about it they are trying to do a "owning them with their own logic" thing where they suck up to the transgenders really hard about how they are basically the same thing in the vain hope that the transgenders will accept them.

 

[Kumquat]

The folks here saying gender ideology is theological in nature are right on the mark. The entire idea of being born in the wrong body is a theological one, not a biological one. That idea only makes sense if you posit that man possesses a body and a soul. It makes no sense whatsoever without this framework. If man is just his body, then you can't possibly be born in the "wrong" body, because it's your body, it doesn't belong to anybody else, and you are your body. However, if you believe that man is both body and soul, then your argument, while still utterly and factually ridiculous, makes a sliver of sense, because you can say that, somewhere on the cosmic assembly line, the ruler of the universe accidentally put your soul in the wrong body.

Transgenderism is like a religious movement, but unlike virtually every other religion out there, it rejects the idea of a higher power. Nearly every other religion on the planet holds the idea of a higher power. Judaism has Yahweh, Christianity has Jesus Christ, Islam has Allah, and even atheism, which obviously rejects the existence of a god, would hold that nature or reality are the "higher orders" of the universe. The point of any religion, or really any worldview in general, is to give you a framework with which to live your life. It's to say that there is a standard, it is higher than you, and you must adhere to it. Christians must adhere to the standards of Christ, Jews must adhere to the standards of Yahweh, etc...

Transgenderism is unique though. While it has much in common with religious movements in terms of faith and belief in the supernatural, it does not hold to any higher power. There is no standard with which to live by. With transgenderism - though they might not say it, or may not even realize it - the self is the supreme ruler of all. You are the god of your own reality. All of nature and reality must bend to your whims. It's a well-accepted fact that troons are all supreme narcissists, and I really think transgenderism is the ultimate expression of that. They have no standards, no rules, no guiding principle at all beyond "I want it." That's it. There is no higher power, they are the ultimate power, and everything else must bend to their desire simply because they want it to.

Why can I suddenly declare myself to be the opposite sex, or even non-binary? Because I want it. What basis do I have for this change? No basis, I just want it. What standard am I judging this change by? No standard, I just want it. Well, what is a woman? Or a man for that matter? What do any of these words mean? They mean whatever I want them to mean. Why should everyone be forced to play along with my identity? Because I want them to. What about my family members who don't approve of my decision? Won't this tear apart my family and ruin my friendships? Fuck them, I want it.

TL;DR: transgenderism is a religious movement, but unlike most other religions, it is worship of the self.

 

[Space Police]

Checked out the "transrace"and "transracial" tags on tumblr and it is full of speds complaining that they aren't as accepted as other transid people. And they have a point, transrace isn't really any less retarded than transgender. You can tell they are resentful of the transgenders, but instead of being direct about it they are trying to do a "owning them with their own logic" thing where they suck up to the transgenders really hard about how they are basically the same thing in the vain hope that the transgenders will accept them.

On top of that, transage is unironically less retarded than transgender if you're identifying as a younger age because you were once that age and so you know what it's like to be that age. Troons, however, want to be the opposite sex with no knowledge of what it's like to be the opposite sex. Troons have no concrete basis for "I feel like a woman" while transage people do have a more concrete basis for "I feel younger".

 

[TruffleSpark]

Transgenderism is like a religious movement, but unlike virtually every other religion out there, it rejects the idea of a higher power. Nearly every other religion on the planet holds the idea of a higher power. Judaism has Yahweh, Christianity has Jesus Christ, Islam has Allah, and even atheism, which obviously rejects the existence of a god, would hold that nature or reality are the "higher orders" of the universe. The point of any religion, or really any worldview in general, is to give you a framework with which to live your life. It's to say that there is a standard, it is higher than you, and you must adhere to it. Christians must adhere to the standards of Christ, Jews must adhere to the standards of Yahweh, etc...

We really have killed God and replaced him with ourselves.

 

[AMHOLIO]

We really have killed God and replaced him with ourselves.

Remember, troons and crazies like this aren't everyone. There's plenty of people who recognize higher powers or don't and still treat others like humans. We can be mopey about those who do, but don't blackpill yourself too much friend.

 

[Jacques1194]

The folks here saying gender ideology is theological in nature are right on the mark. The entire idea of being born in the wrong body is a theological one, not a biological one. That idea only makes sense if you posit that man possesses a body and a soul. It makes no sense whatsoever without this framework. If man is just his body, then you can't possibly be born in the "wrong" body, because it's your body, it doesn't belong to anybody else, and you are your body. However, if you believe that man is both body and soul, then your argument, while still utterly and factually ridiculous, makes a sliver of sense, because you can say that, somewhere on the cosmic assembly line, the ruler of the universe accidentally put your soul in the wrong body.

The thing is alot of TRAs do legit argue that its entirely possible to be born in the wrong body.Usually they bring up disabled people as proof that people can be born in the wrong body.(which is messed up if you think about it.)TRAs argue that its somehow possible for a male to be born with a female brain and vice versa.How this works is anyone's guess.People's main issue though is that since the brain is just like any other organ in the body then why aren't we seeing cases such as "Male born with female heart" or "female born with non binary lungs"?You're telling me that the brain is the only organ that can be put into the wrong body and nothing else?Also i've yet to hear how non binaries can exist in the brain if the TRA brain arguement was even real.You're also saying that some brains are male, some brains are female, but some brains dont have a wired sex in it how?Any trans person who argues that neuroscience backs them up should be challenged on how the other gender identities like non binary or even genderfluid (people who identify as both male and female,)can exist within their brain argument because such identities existing in the brain is impossible and would make TRAs sound both stupid and even more insane.

 

[Kumquat]

@Jacques1194 I can't quote your post for some reason, but yeah, I've heard the arguments, and they're completely and totally ridiculous.

From a purely biological standpoint, it's simply not possible to be born in the "wrong" body. How is it wrong? What does the "right" body look like? Where is the "right" body? Did somebody else get it? It's exactly as ridiculous as what you said, like claiming I was born with the wrong heart, or the wrong lungs, or the wrong left foot, or the wrong clavicle.

The "wrong body" argument can only make sense if you contend that there are souls and bodies, and that souls are being put in the wrong bodies, but then that runs into a whole slew of other problems. Chief among them, what kind of god or cosmic force is out there putting people's souls in the wrong bodies? That would mean someone else out there was meant to have your body, and somehow you both got swapped. What kind of force in the universe is responsible for that? Are they just so abysmally horrible at their jobs, or are they doing it for their own sadistic pleasure? It doesn't make sense either way.

It's your body. It doesn't belong to anybody else. You may not like it, but guess what? Nobody fucking likes their own body. Every single person on Earth wishes they were taller, or had different hair, or different fingers, or different eyes, or different anything. Nobody is ever perfectly 100% happy with their own bodies. The difference is that most of us are mature, well-adjusted adults, and we learn to live with the stuff we can't change. It takes a truly narcissistic person to insist that, somehow, life itself fucked up in making you, and then demanding that the rest of the world must change to adhere to what you believe ought to be true. "Yes, I may be a male, but I believe that I'm a woman! Life itself screwed up when making me, and you must all address me as a woman and participate in my beliefs!"

It's like @TruffleSpark and @Sailor Troon pointed out, it's every bit as ridiculous and changing your age, or your race, or your height or whatever. "I identify as 10 years old, so I demand that the government stop making me pay taxes and that my parents have to keep taking care of me!" "I identify as black, so I demand that you give me access to your affirmative action policies!" It's pure narcissism.