Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Space Police]

It's been said that being trans is the new goth/emo because they're both subcultures that for many teens is a fad that comes with terrible clothing, withdrawal into a new community, and rebellion. When this observation is explored more deeply, it makes sense that trans became the new edgy subculture fad for teens, and like many things in the post-smartphone world, porn is the culprit.

Aside from what's already been said about how porn makes boys develop paraphilias and makes girls say they aren't really girls to avoid being a porn stereotype, the worldview of porn is inherently nihilistic and depressing, which makes it perfect for angsty teens to subscribe to. According to porn, men are out of control rape animals, and women are just submissive holes with no value whatsoever who deserve the humiliation. Many of the boys who accept this worldview go on to push manosphere ideology online, and the girls immediately jump to make Onlyfans and get unnecessary plastic surgery -- similar to how TIMs are generally overly-political low-effort troons who spend all day engaging in "discourse", and TIFs run to get their healthy breasts amputated.

The big message of trans ideology being pushed to teens is that if you aren't a human GI Joe/Barbie, then you aren't really a boy/girl, so you're under the trans umbrella with a nonbinary or cross-sex identity. This message is parallel to how porn culture says that men who aren't tall, muscular, and have smaller penises are lesser men, and women who don't have photoshopped Instagram-ideal bodies are lesser women. Porn culture is incredibly prevalent in both the online world and the school system (boys as young as 7 are sexually moaning in class) and rarely unchallenged, so it's easy for teens to genuinely believe out of the blue that they meet the criteria for what was not two decades ago an unusual mental diagnosis reserved for traumatized gender non-conforming homosexuals.

 

[Jacques1194]

They want me to believe that you can have a brain that is either male or female - i.e. binary - and a "gendered soul" that is either male or female also, so the two can be mismatched, hence MTF, or FTM troons/pooners, but they also want me to believe that gender is on some sliding scale, or that a person can have no gender at all, or that a person's gender identity can change literally every day, or that a person can be "both genders" at once, even though they tell me there's way more than two.

Yeah like i've said, if you brought into the whole trans brain argument then you would have to believe brains can be developed into not only male and female, but also nonbinary(which would contradict the sexed brain argument.), gender fluid(meaning the brain can sometimes be male or sometimes be female on certain days),and god only knows what the fuck the brain of a xenogender would even look like.This is why apart from the "What is a woman?" i'd love to see people ask them about why doctors dont do MRIs, and what their excuse would be.

At the same time, they want me to believe that there's no differences between men and women when it comes to things like strength, speed, personality traits etc., even though they do believe that there are binary male and female brains.

Its actually contradicting because they say biological male and female sex doesn't exist, but also brains can be male or female.So they're admitting sex does exist just in the brain?Yeah its dumb and contradictory.How has an ideology that has no logical arguments gotten this far?

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

How has an ideology that has no logical arguments gotten this far?

Simply by portraying anyone that's against it as far-right Nazis, and making up a new "phobic" word. There's also troon/TRA "scholars" that link "transphobia" to white supremacy, as if the whole thing is some inter-connected web.

The whole shit show is designed to shut down argument and debate using guilt by association tactics, based on nonsense that's completely made up.

Everyone can see the double-standards when it comes to the "both sides" argument. There's only one side promoting violent rhetoric and making death and rape threats against women. In the multiple videos I've seen of people being physically assaulted at events, it's always the TRAs/troons assaulting the TERFs, never the other way around. But it's some emperor's new clothes shit, where tons of people, including politicians, are terrified of the emperor.

 

[AMHOLIO]

This is something I heard on the transphobic/terf memes thread that's stuck with me all this time
If genitals don't define your gender, how does removing then affirm it?

It's not to hurt feelings & not to ostracize others. That's it. To be mean to minority groups and themselves is evil.


If terminally online social justice warriors had a concrete bible, one of the top commandments would be, "Don't be a bigot." To question and not accept different people (well, anyone who is not an intolant bigot like nazis and republicans and so on) is evil, treason even. An attack on the identity, on the soul.

Only a small percentage of transitioners actually get genital related SRS. There's many who keep their parts because euphoria boners are life and they like "dickgirls". It's also expensive and a long recovery process with no guaranteed results, thus only deep cult members tend to go for it. Removing them affirms their body, but it's not talked about like someone who thinks they should have been born without a hand and wants to chop it off would, it's talking like it's an odd tumor on the body.

There are also several trans people who love the body moding scene and transhumanism. The right to do anything to your body you want (hopefully on someone else's dime) is their goal. They can be fetishist, disconnected from their body, or just think it looks cool. The important part is that you give them respect and you give it to them by calling them their gender they declare.

It's kind of incredible how troons can't give a coherent answer to "what is a woman?" I can't think of any other ideology where its proponents are this unable or unwilling to define the language they use.

I think one of the reasons they fumble is that they know if they give the wrong answer, they will be torn apart by the community (see Hunter below). Too vauge and medical troons bully you and normies too, too specific and you go back to the ostracize clause. There's more infighting in the trans community than they let on, and the only way they get along is by sharing a cis hetero white enemy. Otherwise, troons hate women + pooners + enbies, enbies feel invalidated by medical 2 gender only troons and can't get any points for oppression when they deserve them, and trans men keep wondering why they get talked over by others.

Of course he caved and apologized for saying that.It doesn't make sense.If there's no dysphoria with your birth sex why would you call yourself trans then?Even if you identify as non binary its clear you hate seeing yourself as a woman or a man just by identifying as such

I'm citing the points above: don't exclude people (ESPECIALLY the marginalized), don't piss off other troons, and let everyone get body mods whenever they want. Don't tell someone their feelings and lived experiences are wrong, when someone on the opposing side would get shut down for theirs. That's it.

The fact that there's too many waring factions and too many literally mentally ill people in some other way than just trans is why no one can get along once all the "oppressors" are out of the room. It's also why they keep fucking up and fumbling, they can't agree on things and are terrible at recognizing bad people in their group (if they aren't said bad person themselves).

 

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Can someone explain the sexual dimorphic foot position thing to me?

 

[DSHK]

It's been said that being trans is the new goth/emo because they're both subcultures that for many teens is a fad that comes with terrible clothing, withdrawal into a new community, and rebellion. When this observation is explored more deeply, it makes sense that trans became the new edgy subculture fad for teens, and like many things in the post-smartphone world, porn is the culprit.

Aside from what's already been said about how porn makes boys develop paraphilias and makes girls say they aren't really girls to avoid being a porn stereotype, the worldview of porn is inherently nihilistic and depressing, which makes it perfect for angsty teens to subscribe to. According to porn, men are out of control rape animals, and women are just submissive holes with no value whatsoever who deserve the humiliation. Many of the boys who accept this worldview go on to push manosphere ideology online, and the girls immediately jump to make Onlyfans and get unnecessary plastic surgery -- similar to how TIMs are generally overly-political low-effort troons who spend all day engaging in "discourse", and TIFs run to get their healthy breasts amputated.

The big message of trans ideology being pushed to teens is that if you aren't a human GI Joe/Barbie, then you aren't really a boy/girl, so you're under the trans umbrella with a nonbinary or cross-sex identity. This message is parallel to how porn culture says that men who aren't tall, muscular, and have smaller penises are lesser men, and women who don't have photoshopped Instagram-ideal bodies are lesser women. Porn culture is incredibly prevalent in both the online world and the school system (boys as young as 7 are sexually moaning in class) and rarely unchallenged, so it's easy for teens to genuinely believe out of the blue that they meet the criteria for what was not two decades ago an unusual mental diagnosis reserved for traumatized gender non-conforming homosexuals.

Just like troons/pooners, emo girls were known for cutting and mutilating themselves. Its going to be looked back on 20 years from now not like the emos or goths with their hot chicks and good music but with horror at the hundreds of thousands of mutilated children left in its wake. Much like what happened to lobotomy.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Can someone explain the sexual dimorphic foot position thing to me?

It's because of the different angle male and female hips naturally rest at while standing. A male naturally stands with his toes pointed out at an angle like \ /, where a female will stand with her feet parallel. Male and female feet and legs are also shaped differently, for a variety of reasons. Here's a quick primer from a womens' shoe company.

 

[GenderCop]

I took family member into the diabetes doctor today. Sat out in the waiting area forever and what did i see? Some kind of diabetes newsletter with a pooner on the cover. Whut?

So I take a closer look--the pooner passes well, but has that trademark Amish-looking chin-beard they all have. Still looks like a girl to me, but then I visit the farms regularly.

Josh Taylor, the article tells us, learned about losing weight and exercise and yada yada and has improved their blood sugar, etc.
Live like him.

Here is the thing: the article did not once mention s/he is a trannie.
I knew only because I've see them here at KF & now easily spot them.

Is this good or bad? can't decide. opinions?

On one hand, its nice to not have them babbling about it all the time. Here in the US South, nobody wants to read about trannies and the article was about another health issue, not trannydom.

OTOH, does this kind of thing increase stealth-acceptance and make them more normal-seeming?
Terfs have pointed out that FTMs often assigned this social role, since they usually present as more calm, normal/mainstream/acceptable.

and who decided on this young white 'man' as an official role model instead of the huge numbers of blacks, latinos & old white women with diabetes?

it left a bad taste in my mouth: the constant onslaught, how they invade everything. we can't escape it anywhere.

BTW. I looked up Josh to be sure, 2nd paragraph mentions top surgery.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Some kind of diabetes newsletter with a pooner on the cover. Whut?

So I take a closer look--the pooner passes well, but has that trademark Amish-looking chin-beard they all have. Still looks like a girl to me, but then I visit the farms regularly.

Josh Taylor, the article tells us, learned about losing weight and exercise and yada yada and has improved their blood sugar, etc.
Live like him.

Anecdotal, but it seems like I've seen a decent amount of Type I diabetic FtMs (online). Part of me wants to say "well I guess you were seeing the endocrinologist already haw haw," but I wonder if it's a version of the girls who were molested and are trying to regain control. In this case, it'd be the trauma of dealing with a very life-affecting chronic illness from childhood. Couple this with the fact that nobody cares about insulin-dependent diabetics except as a rhetorical device, so the ass-pats are drying up in their late teens.

Your dood sounds like a Type II, but it's something I was thinking about.

 

[deermeat]

Anecdotal, but it seems like I've seen a decent amount of Type I diabetic FtMs (online). Part of me wants to say "well I guess you were seeing the endocrinologist already haw haw," but I wonder if it's a version of the girls who were molested and are trying to regain control. In this case, it'd be the trauma of dealing with a very life-affecting chronic illness from childhood. Couple this with the fact that nobody cares about insulin-dependent diabetics except as a rhetorical device, so the ass-pats are drying up in their late teens.

Your dood sounds like a Type II, but it's something I was thinking about.

It makes sense considering there's a special type of anorexia in regards to Type 1 diabetics only. They decide to not take their insulin in order to starve themselves. It is the most deadly form of anorexia.

 

[Aunt Carol]

It makes sense considering there's a special type of anorexia in regards to Type 1 diabetics only. They decide to not take their insulin in order to starve themselves. It is the most deadly form of anorexia.

It's called diabulimia!

 

[deermeat]

Man, I'm lost in life as someone in their early 20s, detrans (never took medicine thankfully), physically disabled, and a lesbian. I feel like the only way to have any community is to make my own, which sucks because I don't want that responsibility. But like, it would be nice to have a community of similar people LGB without the T but also without fat acceptance and sex-obsession. My area is small, there's hardly a LGBT community- let alone to what I'm referring to.

It makes me question where God wants me to go. I can't help but be spiritual. With that guy I mentioned being radicalized and transitioning- groomed by older troons in his early 20s, with the people in my life in general being radicalized in regards to far right/far left. It's dystopian. I can't conform to the normies, yet I can't conform to the weirdos because they're too fucking insane.

Being meek means being weak in this day and age. I hate to just sit here and let idealogy try to tell me things I know aren't true. There's over a billion different people on Earth, surely there's people out there in my area who also want to reject hyperreality? To not want to be stuck in this addiction-ridden sick society, feeling like the only way to escape it is to become a recluse. I am not "introverted" as they call it, so all of this hits hard. I hate how all of this is on my shoulders. Fandom culture got warped and twisted into something entirely morbid.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Man, I'm lost in life as someone in their early 20s, detrans (never took medicine thankfully), physically disabled, and a lesbian. I feel like the only way to have any community is to make my own, which sucks because I don't want that responsibility. But like, it would be nice to have a community of similar people LGB without the T but also without fat acceptance and sex-obsession. My area is small, there's hardly a LGBT community- let alone to what I'm referring to.

It's not easy, is it? The geeky fandom-oriented LGB friend groups of old have been utterly obliterated by the advent of gender ideology - what was once a flourishing subculture ten, fifteen years ago has been corrupted into something new and sinister. Most everyone within that niche has swallowed the troon pill. I still have social needs, so since my detransition I've become part of a different circle (consisting mostly of trans-agnostic gamer bro edgelord types) with whom I get along well enough, but there's a level of mutual understanding that as much as we can enjoy each other's presence, them and I are not the same.

Sure, I escaped the cult and I'm fine, but what about everyone else? The people I could have formed genuine personal connections with are still on the other side. My closest gay and lesbian friends from high school all fell into that nonsense one way or another, and there's no getting them back. If you refuse to play along with their belief system, they cut you off forever.

I'd consider myself an extrovert. I need people to care about. My interests are frankly pretty embarrassing. But I don't believe in gender, I'm anti-porn, and I don't mind being called a faggot. Where do people like us fit in? Sorry for rambling. Just know that this is a shared sentiment. It'd be great to have a community for ourselves - because it's insane that this conversation has to be had on Kiwi Fucking Farms of all places - but I just don't know if the demand for something like that exists yet, and even if it did, what would that look like? "Welcome to Tumblr 2, no trannies please"??

 

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It's because of the different angle male and female hips naturally rest at while standing. A male naturally stands with his toes pointed out at an angle like \ /, where a female will stand with her feet parallel. Male and female feet and legs are also shaped differently, for a variety of reasons. Here's a quick primer from a womens' shoe company.

I never noticed that before, I took a few glances down at my feet today, sometimes they were facing outwards, but only slightly, other times they were parallel, and sometimes they even pointed in completely different directions. Are you sure this is real and not some sort of clocking neurosis? I hate trannies by the way.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I never noticed that before, I took a few glances down at my feet today, sometimes they were facing outwards, but only slightly, other times they were parallel, and sometimes they even pointed in completely different directions. Are you sure this is real and not some sort of clocking neurosis? I hate trannies by the way.

I should have said it's a general tendency and not as extreme as the example, because feet aren't ASCII symbols. Never take these things as absolute rules.

It's also just one element, which is why I gave that link. It just tends to be the most obvious give-away.

 

[Turtlebees]

Man, I'm lost in life as someone in their early 20s, detrans (never took medicine thankfully), physically disabled, and a lesbian. I feel like the only way to have any community is to make my own, which sucks because I don't want that responsibility. But like, it would be nice to have a community of similar people LGB without the T but also without fat acceptance and sex-obsession. My area is small, there's hardly a LGBT community- let alone to what I'm referring to.

I know it sounds stupid, and trite, to say this but you'll be okay. It'll all come together for you in time. It's hard now, because you feel overwhelmed and rightly so, but there are absolutely people like you out there. Maybe you'll have to look online in places like this to start but, eventually, you'll find people to help you build those communities you're seeking and also your new social groups in the real world.

Like many others here on the farms, I've left the LGBTQA+ world. I didn't feel as if I belonged anymore. I self-describe as bi, used to say pan, but I'm more lesbian than anything and, as I grow, I'm beginning to realize I'm probably just an ordinary lesbian who tried too hard to fit in with the gender crowd. I'm a lifelong ultra-liberal, raised by ultra-liberal parents who were early adopters of the 'genderless child' method of parenting, existing in liberal artsy and programming circles, so it wasn't easy for me to disentangle.

I've been targeted many times by individuals trying to convince me I'm trans. I check heaps of their boxes, including very masculine habits, preferring male friends, and even going through a childhood phase where I demanded to be called by a boy's name. The thing is, I'm not trans and always knew it. I love being a woman. I enjoy my body. I have a science background and no amount of badgering could convince me biology isn't real. So I stepped away. And you know what? I've found new people who were secretly feeling just like I do but were afraid to admit it.

In today's world, I'm labeled a nazi, online and in my old social group. Never mind that I'm a far leftist in 80% or more of my beliefs, I'm not on the TQA+ bandwagon so I'm the evil conservative. The monster TERF. The best part is, I don't even dislike trans folks - I have 'sane' trans friends, and ironically they're among the ones who've stuck by me, who I love to bits even though I realize they're just gay guys in dresses (and they know what they are too, we just don't speak about it). If anything, I feel anger and sadness over how people with real distress are being railroaded into experimental medical treatments while being used as political pawns. I want to do something, I want to call out the doctors and groomers and businesses and the sex pests pushing this nonsense, but that doesn't accomplish anything because everyone's afraid to speak the truth. So I just direct folks here and let them, as they say, educate themselves.

But it will get better. It always does.

 

[hufflemuff]

Social media plays a pretty significant factor in this, IMO. Kids are constantly bombarded with messages about how their peers are all prettier, funnier, more interesting, more successful, and have more fulfilling lives full of nicer stuff than them. Through social media we have a continual window into the lives of friends, pseudo-friends, and celebrities. And what we see is not some unvarnished peek into their world but a highly idealized image that they present.

There has never been a time in history where kids got more praise and encouragement than they're getting now(in the West at least). Zoomers are not beaten or screamed at, nobody is telling them they should be seen, not heard, everybody is constantly up their asses telling them they're special and beautiful and "valid" and that everyone is "smart" in their own way.

I don't buy the trannies are all victims with ptsd bullshit. Actual victims of shitty childhoods are too busy surviving to contemplate spinny skirts and whether cutting off their dicks will make them coom harder. The cure for troonism is impulse control and humility, not an endless indulgence of every whim. Degeneracy and perversion have always historically been the byproduct of ennui, unrestrained permissiveness and total lack of any adversity. When your dopamine receptors are barely responsive from overstimulation by the time you're 16, you're going to have to start looking for more and more "creative" ways to trigger them.

 

[Jacques1194]

Ok i wanted to share this msn article here that's titled. "Your Gender Identity Can Change Over Time, And Yes, That's Totally Normal." The article goes into detail about how once again that genitalia does not equal gender, and someone's genitals have no bearing on whether they identify as a man, a woman, non-binary, or anything else.(Again if genitals dont define gender, what is the whole point of getting surgery and why (according to genderism) are most people cisgender? Why do most people who are born with male genitals end up “identifying as” men and most people who are born with female genitals end up “identifying as” women? Clearly genitals have some influence on gender identity.) Also another thing about this article is the title itself.If a person's gender identity can change over time then its not inherited at birth and as such TRAs need to STFU about how they were born trans.Also being trans in itself shouldnt be a protected class in that case.Link to article. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/we...sn&cvid=0ae0714cdb20466e9ed16591efa39c3d&ei=8

 

[TruffleSpark]

Any former Something Awful goons remember Prester John? He was a guy who had been in cults, so he made a big thread in D&D about how cults operate. I think he eventually got run off the site in 2020 for catastrophizing about covid... Anyway, he uploaded the old op of his thread to a blogspot blog, this is it if you care about it. https://prestersperspective.blogspot.com/ I went back and started reading it, and so much of it describes trannies perfectly, how they construct a false "outer narrative" that is a watered down version of their real beliefs for the general public. How they think of themselves as a sort special elect fighting against a completely evil enemy. How joining the cult serves as a form of "rebirth" for the cult members. How they squeeze out members who are insufficiently radical. How they don't know how to deal with perceived threats, no matter how minor, except by lashing out with extreme anger because they have no concept of proportionality. How they live in constant fear of a mostly imaginary enemy.

Anyway he trooned out at some point, he's Prester Jane now. He pretty openly admitted to being a "crazy person", who had been vulnerable to cult indoctrination in the past. Guess he never stopped being like that. Part of it is that he seems to think that cults are an innately right wing thing. Of course anyone on the left is going to think that only the other side could be stupid enough to be in a cult. So they aren't going to evaluate their own as thoroughly as they would outsiders.

 

[Bookwork]

My dad was big on segregation. He thought it was a good way to get the best out of groups of people he didn't fit into.

The colored part of town was good for food, music, and whores. The faggot part of town was good for comedy, clothes, and decor. The hillbilly part of town was good for 'shine, guns, and repair work.

Whatever it was you wanted, you could get the best on offer by going to the right part of town. Integration and urban development fucked up the whole universe by breaking up these communities of experts and wrecking instinctual-training-by-heritage.

I've been wondering what he'd think the troon part of town would be good for. Lies, complaints, and suicide? Do they do any other damn thing like ever?