Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

"We have troons today because society isn't listening to radical second wave manhating feminazis" is certainly....a take.

Feminists are seething hysterical "kill 90% of all men for a utopian society" nutbags and their opinions on troons are merely a stopped clock being right twice a day.
To add to this, just pay attention whenever some radfem bitches about troons anywhere, be it the Farms, Twitter, wherever. Feminazis aren't "based and redpilled", it's the seething man-hatred that's always been the True North of the entire movement coming to the fore. AGPs are disgusting fetishists? Well yeah, it just also happens to fall in line with their hatred of men. Aidens are either traitors or poor misled women being tricked by our evil (filthy patriarchal!) society? It's man-blaming again. Any time any of them starts in on their horseshit, just keep that reasoning in mind. It explains the whole of it. I just have to roll my eyes every time I see one of them muse that autogynephilia is "just the natural thing male sexuality does without society restraining it" untrammeled by feminist dogma. They've always believed disgusting hateful shit like this. AGP is the natural state of male sexuality guys. :roll: Thank fuck most women aren't feminists and can see troonery for the fetish it is without believing in hysterical conspiracy theories like The Patterwacky and Natural Male Autogynephilia.
 
Holy shit who's been saying this?
Interestingly, there was a big push to have transwomen accepted into women's spaces, women's sports etc, in the '70s in the US. Second wave feminism (as in, oppression is rooted in biological differences/exploiting the female body, anti porn, anti prostitution, anti makeup, the goal being women's liberation from sexist oppression) being the popular form of feminism helped quash this, while I think current mainstream feminism being third wave (as in 'he for she', everyone can be feminist, porn, prostitution and makeup is empowering, womanhood is something you can buy and not a biological reality, basically co-opting the entire movement to be pro-male) has opened the gates to male sexual degeneracy.

There's a ghost of the implication here. You rarely see it stated directly outside feminist circles, but you start to catch the scent once you've read the tripe that feminism rests its claims on. Radical feminism isn't fringe feminism, it's core feminism. Popular feminism gets its trickled-down views from the radfems; the radfems aren't some separatist group that went rogue. Vague coffeeshop "I just want the sexes to be equal" feminism isn't generally the source for this, but academic feminists? Those loons have been actually, unironically calling for killing all men, throwing them in camps, getting revenge on men for "oppressing us for thousands of years", etc from the very beginning. Those hogs you hear about aren't just some extremist exceptions to the rule, they write the books taught in Womens' Studies courses. Germaine Greer, mentioned in this very thread, says shit like (direct quotes) "women have very little idea of how much men hate them", "The man regards her as a receptacle into which he has emptied his sperm", and that's pretty tame as far as these crackpots go. Yeah, all men are misogynists, what a sweeping and not at all psychotic way of viewing the world. We should totally take this movement seriously.

When I see things like "Germaine Greer warned us about troons" it makes me rooooooooll my eyes. Nah, she's not some luminary seer forecasting troonery, she's a man-hater claiming that men will be vile pigs in the future like she thinks they all are, and we're Texas Sharpshooting her rabid bigotry onto the current troon trend. I balk at calling her predictions prescient, because it's just yet more "men are all gross perverts, SEE SEE?" instead of actually taking an open-eyed look at the causes of this nonsense, where feminism certainly isn't blameless.
 
"Transphobia" will never be accepted as a bigotry on the same scale as racism, homophobia or "ableism" (god, I hate that word).

Race is not a mutable characteristic. Mental disability is not a mutable characteristic. If someone can hide it, they're not the kind of person the word "retard" disparages. Someone afflicted with the gay can tone it down, but in some cases (butches and twinks) there appears to be a hormonal imbalance. The gay community won't let us do too much research on what non-environmental factors can cause the gay because they're afraid we'll abort all gay babies or just have a way of screening for risk factors or something.

But being trans is not simply mutable, it's a whole goddamn choice. To the transfolk:
You decided to listen to people that incorrectly said modern medicine can fulfill your teenaged wet dream.
You surrounded yourself with sick people that already tasted the Fla-Vor-Aid and told you it didn't taste like piss.
You decided to dress yourself in the manner of the opposite sex using exaggerated clothes and hairstyles that grab a lot of (negative) attention.
You sterilized yourself and are trying to reproduce by indoctrinating strangers' kids.
You are the one threatening to harm yourself or others when a portion of society dares question anything you do.

There's a whole lot of poor life choices there. They are completely avoidable if you drop your hubris, consider you or your friends may be wrong and begin accepting accountability for your mistakes.

It is because of those choices that the word "tranny" will never compare to the weight of "faggot", "retard" or "nigger" to the general population. You can't avoid being any of those three (you can tone down the visibility of your fagginess, otherwise Don't Ask Don't Tell wouldn't have been a thing) but with an ounce of humility, you too can avoid becoming a tranny.
 
"Transphobia" will never be accepted as a bigotry on the same scale as racism, homophobia or "ableism" (god, I hate that word).

Race is not a mutable characteristic. Mental disability is not a mutable characteristic. If someone can hide it, they're not the kind of person the word "retard" disparages. Someone afflicted with the gay can tone it down, but in some cases (butches and twinks) there appears to be a hormonal imbalance. The gay community won't let us do too much research on what non-environmental factors can cause the gay because they're afraid we'll abort all gay babies or just have a way of screening for risk factors or something.

But being trans is not simply mutable, it's a whole goddamn choice. To the transfolk:
You decided to listen to people that incorrectly said modern medicine can fulfill your teenaged wet dream.
You surrounded yourself with sick people that already tasted the Fla-Vor-Aid and told you it didn't taste like piss.
You decided to dress yourself in the manner of the opposite sex using exaggerated clothes and hairstyles that grab a lot of (negative) attention.
You sterilized yourself and are trying to reproduce by indoctrinating strangers' kids.
You are the one threatening to harm yourself or others when a portion of society dares question anything you do.

There's a whole lot of poor life choices there. They are completely avoidable if you drop your hubris, consider you or your friends may be wrong and begin accepting accountability for your mistakes.

It is because of those choices that the word "tranny" will never compare to the weight of "faggot", "retard" or "nigger" to the general population. You can't avoid being any of those three (you can tone down the visibility of your fagginess, otherwise Don't Ask Don't Tell wouldn't have been a thing) but with an ounce of humility, you too can avoid becoming a tranny.

I take solace in this and i think we will eventually get through this (assuming nukes don't come first i guess)

However i still wonder how the fuck we even got to this point. we're all about science these days, none of the young is religious anymore and yet gender ideology is somehow a thing.
No one truly believes in this stuff, trannies included. And yet here we are
 
I don't think this thread really serves any purpose other than sparing the feelings of those who can't help but violently sperg out whenever a post they don't agree with appears in other threads. Though the irony that catering to equally autistic whims on a societal scale is exactly how the tranny problem got as bad as it is is surely lost on those who think this type of thread is necessary.
 
I haven't kept up with KF lately so it may have been discussed elsewhere but did anyone see the infographic on twitter that said a full 20% of whatever the youngest generation is called (zoomers? is that it? I don't even know what *my* generation is called) identifies as lgbtq as opposed to whatever miniscule percentage of all of preceding generations.
Naturally people were furiously stating it's because AIDS wiped out the previous generations and I would agree that might be a factor for gay men but how does that account for lesbians and our friends the troons? Wouldn't we have noticed 15-18% of every currently surviving generation dying of AIDS?
I'm curious if anyone else saw that thread. I'm not sure how to find it again but the more I think about it the more it drives me crazy.
 
I don't think this thread really serves any purpose other than sparing the feelings of those who can't help but violently sperg out whenever a post they don't agree with appears in other threads. Though the irony that catering to equally autistic whims on a societal scale is exactly how the tranny problem got as bad as it is is surely lost on those who think this type of thread is necessary.
It's a dual purpose thread: instead of being worried to ask dumb questions in other threads with a focus, you can ask them here. But you can also sperg and be contained so you don't shit up other threads. It helps keep freeze peach venting around for those autistic enough to want it. I mean, the man social media thread for trans general keeps having a problem of pro and anti women/homo fighting because troon hate is a bipartisan issue on this site yet the cause is hotly debated.


I'll occasionally say KF is an anti-troon hugbox and I do mean it partially. A lot of members got fucking pissed that their own autistic hobbies were being steamrolled by genderspecials (this site is full of nerds who are self aware enough not to usually earn a thread) and worse, their lols when Keffals and others enacted the great DDoSing of 2022. There's a lot of people vicious about it too since Kiwifarms is a site full of contrarians who hate being told what to do, and it's harder to find online nerd groups (where farmers gather) that let you grill in peace so people mass rage dump here. You can look back to 2016-2017 threads and see people respect troon pronouns even if they were troons, it's wild. Hugboxing tends to lead to dumb actions like cowtipping if not properly handled. Basically, enjoy this containment thread so it doesn't derail other threads and either let it die without discussion (meaning it's useless) or check back in to see if someone A-logs so hard they deserve a thunderdome branch. I don't agree on every thought in this thread but I won't stop people from expressing & thinking for themselves and rather let them do it in a containment zone.



Naturally people were furiously stating it's because AIDS wiped out the previous generations and I would agree that might be a factor for gay men but how does that account for lesbians and our friends the troons? Wouldn't we have noticed 15-18% of every currently surviving generation dying of AIDS?
I'm curious if anyone else saw that thread. I'm not sure how to find it again but the more I think about it the more it drives me crazy.
If it helps, AIDS drugs and prevention has come a long way through the years. You can still catch it but not have it be the immediate death sentence it used to be. The virus has evolved to be slightly less deadly too (since a longer living host = more time for virus to spread).


But I've seen it and seen it discussed on the farms before. You have the right to think it's crazy, LGBTQWTFBBQ is now it's own cool edgy subculture like goth and emo were in the past. It helps that the requirements are so fucking lax that as long as you don't feel like a normie, you're not a normie.
 
It's a dual purpose thread: instead of being worried to ask dumb questions in other threads with a focus, you can ask them here. But you can also sperg and be contained so you don't shit up other threads. It helps keep freeze peach venting around for those autistic enough to want it. I mean, the man social media thread for trans general keeps having a problem of pro and anti women/homo fighting because troon hate is a bipartisan issue on this site yet the cause is hotly debated.


I'll occasionally say KF is an anti-troon hugbox and I do mean it partially. A lot of members got fucking pissed that their own autistic hobbies were being steamrolled by genderspecials (this site is full of nerds who are self aware enough not to usually earn a thread) and worse, their lols when Keffals and others enacted the great DDoSing of 2022. There's a lot of people vicious about it too since Kiwifarms is a site full of contrarians who hate being told what to do, and it's harder to find online nerd groups (where farmers gather) that let you grill in peace so people mass rage dump here. You can look back to 2016-2017 threads and see people respect troon pronouns even if they were troons, it's wild. Hugboxing tends to lead to dumb actions like cowtipping if not properly handled. Basically, enjoy this containment thread so it doesn't derail other threads and either let it die without discussion (meaning it's useless) or check back in to see if someone A-logs so hard they deserve a thunderdome branch. I don't agree on every thought in this thread but I won't stop people from expressing & thinking for themselves and rather let them do it in a containment zone.
To me it's not surprising that there used to be tranny respecters on this site because a lot of the posters who now hate trannies (for legitimate reasons) are still leftists and leftists bought into all that tumblr pronoun shit whole hog when it first got mainstream around those years. Saying it's a bipartisan issue now is all well and good, but there's just such a strong sense of denial about that aspect of reality among some here that runs counter to the whole purpose of this subforum. I think this specific sort of issue can't really be contained because it'll always fester just under the surface of every discussion in the subforum even if you try to quarantine direct talk about it.
 
are still leftists and leftists bought into all that tumblr pronoun shit whole hog when it first got mainstream around those years.
Not everyone gave a shit tbh. There was many old school or moderate leftist that looked at their kids and thought they were nuts. There's people who didn't buy in from the start and only did so later out of not wanting to get fired on the left too.

Saying it's a bipartisan issue now is all well and good, but there's just such a strong sense of denial about that aspect of reality among some here that runs counter to the whole purpose of this subforum.
Denying what part? I mean that genuinely, I'm not sure from your wording.
 
No one truly believes in this stuff, trannies included. And yet here we are
They believe in it because they already picked a side. "Sunk Costs" and all that.

But everyone (them, us, normies) knows it's a choice, because the magnum opus of trans threats (suicide) is also a choice. The narrative of "play our game or we will kill ourselves" is a blatant temper-tantrum, and I am surprised that the general western population fell for it.

Did this happen because spanking kids fell out of favor?
 
Not everyone gave a shit tbh. There was many old school or moderate leftist that looked at their kids and thought they were nuts. There's people who didn't buy in from the start and only did so later out of not wanting to get fired on the left too.


Denying what part? I mean that genuinely, I'm not sure from your wording.
It wasn't everyone but it was enough of them who were previously less unhinged for it to mark a clear shift in mainstream American culture in the direction it's reached now. Even most of those who thought it was crazy were cowed into submission by the rest calling them bigots without doing much of anything to resist it. The denial I'm talking about is when the contingent of leftists who are now anti-tranny try to deny ownership of the current version of trannyism by screeching whenever the leftist parent ideologies which birthed trannyism are called into question. This is only seen as a "debatable" aspect of the issue by those who willfully deny the reality of the past decade leading up to this moment in lieu of gibberish about the "patriarchy" and "internalized misogyny". I call it a denial of reality because there's a reason Keffals was a literal communist party member and that the recent violent strain of tranny rhetoric is very much tied to antifa. The evidence of trannyism being a radical leftist movement is all right there out in the open but this upsets those who don't want to see it because they still eat breathe and shit the kool aid that tells them anything to the right of Mao is of the devil. For them to be anti-tranny while still in denial of this is for them to have a rotting amhole of their own in their brains.
 
The reason that people don't see trans rights as a 'radical leftist ideology' is because it's a parasitic movement that will borrow whatever it needs to to keep going - look at how every single slogan it's ever produced has been taken from a different group - e.g. 'some people are (trans/gay). Get over it.' 'Say her name'. 'trans lives matter' etc. The only thing that seems more or less unique is the rampant suicide baiting / genocide claims. If they were genuinely invested in leftist politics, they wouldn't be so flippantly grasping about these actual causes.

There's also that if you spend any amount of time around a large group of mtfs - particularly obvious on 4chan, but also on reddit, basically anywhere online - you will start seeing the community meme about how they were all nazis or alt righters before they transitioned. If they were previously self-identified neonazis, how likely is it they've genuinely 100% converted to left beliefs instead? or is being a leftist part of the troon costume and also the vehicle that's getting them what they want, politically and socially?

Antifa is honestly more an online larp of the actual facists of the 30s/40s - where young men would gang up to find excuses to fight people, mussolini's squadrismos (precursors to the military blackshirts pre major power) were groups of young farmers and middle class workers who would kidnap 'subversives' (communists) and beat them up, or weirder, force feed them cod liver oil until they shit themselves to death. The antifa is currently just a excuse for playacting / venting male propensity for violence under an acceptable cover - it could become more serious if trans rights becomes explicitly politically powerful and sanctified - but there's no guarantee that will happen and luckily there is increasing pushback.

The communism identity is part of the costume, they don't actually believe any of this shit. Leftist parties absolutely do need to own up to enabling all this shit - but if / when there is an aftermath, I doubt any detrans MTFs will being sticking with leftist ideology because they never believed it in the first place. Recognise a parasite for what it is.

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From reddit - https://archive.is/pZPCF - plenty of comments discussing the phenomenon, but there's plenty of further examples I can dig up if necessary
 
The denial I'm talking about is when the contingent of leftists who are now anti-tranny try to deny ownership of the current version of trannyism by screeching whenever the leftist parent ideologies which birthed trannyism are called into question. This is only seen as a "debatable" aspect of the issue by those who willfully deny the reality of the past decade leading up to this moment in lieu of gibberish about the "patriarchy" and "internalized misogyny".
Ahh, that makes sense. Nah, a lot of the left grabbed onto it without thinking and it's sadly something we have to pay for. SJWs are sadly still "leftist" even if people try to stamp "no true Scotsman", and it wasn't like most normie leftist thought troons were more like extra gay men instead of bathroom predators.

The evidence of trannyism being a radical leftist movement is all right there out in the open but this upsets those who don't want to see it because they still eat breathe and shit the kool aid that tells them anything to the right of Mao is of the devil. For them to be anti-tranny while still in denial of this is for them to have a rotting amhole of their own in their brains.
Alouatta does bring up a good point though: it is a parasitic movement with it's main goal being to propagate itself. Had right wingers employed some pretzel logic by saying "a man who doesn't act manly enough should be allowed to be a woman and a lesbian" or something crazy like that then troonism would flock there. By the left being too tolerant of the BS it got fucked before it knew it was too late. I wish I remembered history better but I'm certain the right got caught with their pants down by accidentally accepting someone they thought was on their side then realized too little too late that they were absolutely batshit, it's likely why most pendulum swings happen.

Troons take a ton out of the radical left playbook but you can compare them to a lot of radical groups and they look quite similar. They do come from the brand of "let's love and tolerate everyone and give healthcare and abortions to all" cloth, they've just evolved enough to not always need to hide under it. They're radical leftists, but they've gone so far radical that the main thing is they're out for themselves and out for blood.
 
I doubt any detrans MTFs will being sticking with leftist ideology because they never believed it in the first place.

Detrans MTF here. I'm still a filthy commie, but I see where you're coming from. IMO trannies latch on to the leftist label in order to lend credibility to their otherwise nonsense ideology; they're actually very comfortable with the status quo for the most part, as evidenced by the fact that many of them are terminal consoomers who wouldn't last an hour in their supposed anarchist utopia.

LARPing with a radical political ideology lets them play into their oppression complex, much like neo-Nazis do. Like you said, I don't think most of the "ex alt-right" trannies have really changed - it's really not a massive shift in mentality going from "muh white genocide" to "muh trans genocide". Politics for them is nothing more than a means to a selfish end.

Leftists did absolutely enable this, and now we pay the ultimate price by having troon ideology stink up every otherwise rational conversation. Whoops.
 
100% the left did enable this happening, and will face the social / politic consequences in the short term future (or at least, I hope short term, rather than long term) there's no way around it. I think the trans rights stuff gained a foothold because of 'geek social fallacies' in the left - when it became all about inclusion for inclusion's sake rather than fighting for specific political gains. Post-gay-marriage probably, when Stonewall wanted to keep the money coming in but needed a new cause to justify seeking donations.

I don't want gay people lumped in with trans people when the backlash comes even though I know a lot of gay people - and obviously, the Stonewall organisation - have been a big part in enabling this. But equally I think lesbians like Alison Bailey were some of the earliest voices in calling it out. You can find second wave lesbians warning us about contemporary trannies back in the 70s - I forget by whom, but there's even an account out there of sexual assault / groping done by queen threw the first brick herself, Malcom / Marsha P Johnson. There's always been AGP predators among them.

Can't quote right now, idk why but re: Amholio 's point about the right having similar situations in the past -

What the original nazi party - and the people involved - really wanted was power and used an image of moral superiority over weimar's decadence as a propaganda point, but it was never that clear cut. Neonazis like to talk about the book burning of degenerate material but it was basically a publicity stunt - you look into the actual history of the transgender movement, you start seeing the doctors who were doing the chops defecting to the party, and the nazis allowing them to do so. The doctor who did both Lili Elbe's orchiectomy and uterus transplant - which of course rotted inside him and killed him from sepsis - joined the luftwaffe and then became one of the doctors conducting human endurance tests (torture) at Dachau. Erwin Gohrbrandt. If the nazis were really against trans degeneracy, why let the doctor who basically invented the MTF sex change become a top luftwaffe doctor? because his lack of morals in performing insane surgeries wasn't something to condemn him for when it could be put to use.

And of course the Nazi party itself had Ernest Rohm - an open / public homosexual - who Hitler was perfectly happy to work with until it became bad for his public image. Hitler also saved his childhood family doctor, who was Jewish, Eduard Bloch.

It's obviously not the same, but in terms of the right, in contrast, presenting itself as condemning the trans degeneracy in the present day left - in the us republican party nobody seems to be denouncing Caitlin Jenner - not while Jenner is conveniently denouncing newer, more popular, more openly leftist trans people (Dylan etc) - and giving them money. Not while Jenner is useful. But it's been publicly known for ages that Jenner 'discovered' he was trans by stealing his daughter's (daughters'?) clothes. Jenner transitioned right after killing an old woman with his car - that timing was a publicity stunt, too. I 100% think it could have happened to the right - and seeing as the nazis did start off by calling themselves national socialists, I've always vaguely intended to look into it and see if there was a sort of 'support everyone! allow everything! if you don't you're a bigot!' rhetoric going on in the german / weimar left at the time.
 
I guess this is the right thread to ask this.(even if it may of been asked), So where do you guys see this trans shit going?What i mean is if you think society as a whole will see this whole thing for the lunacy for what it is, and the mainstream left will stop promoting this shit.Here in america i fear this ideology has been grouped into a "civi rights"issue and the left is basically turning it into a left vs right issue that even if democrats lose the 2024 election that they wont learn from this, and instead they'll double down and claim"We only lost because society is that transphobic."Honestly for me, it's so hard to know where or if this gender madness will end because it feels like they wont stop until everyone is perfectly ok with kids chopping off healthy organs in order to embrace a delusion that'll never be achieved.i just don't understand how anyone can support this madness when i've seen the surgeries and it'll make you wonder how this stuff has gotten normalize.
 
I'm in a community that expects all of their children to go to a four year college, preferably an ivy. Now let me tell you, a lot of these kids are indeed pretty smart and capable. But the vast majority are average and a small handful are incredibly stupid and of poor character. They and their parents treat primary and secondary education as a game. They are trying to max out stats on paper rather than being rational about what kind of person their kids are. They boast about harassing teachers about grades, they do not care if their kid actually knows anything or can do any work. "My child needs an A to be competitive at XYZ university, and his World History teacher is getting in the way."

So I am not surprised that there's also a bunch of oversensitive enbies around here either. We have raised monsters that want the adults around them to do all the work so that they FEEL like they are gender fluid academic geniuses.
 
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