Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

Something I only recently noticed is that a ton of TiMs don't want to be a woman so much as they want to be a little girl. I only recently learned what "Peter Pan syndrome" is. I have to wonder to what degree troonism is adults retreating from the responsibility of dealing with the real world. Rather than fitting in to the adult world they can just force the world to change to accommodate their childishness.
This was a big motivator behind my transition. I never wanted to be a little girl, but a big reason I transitioned is because I figured that I could escape maturing into a man by being a woman. There was an AGP aspect too, don't get me wrong, but there was also a Peter Pan aspect. I was actively resisting growing up long before I trooned -- it all started when I was about to turn 13 because I knew that 13 would make me a teenager and not a child. I started watching preschool shows and playing with preschool toys I hadn't been interested in for years. I refused to get a driver's license (I could have gotten my learner's license at age 14) until my parents forced me to. I became actively resistant to making friends because I didn't want to fit in with the mature boys who loved girls, sports, and violent video games (that was the image I had in my mind). I refused to buy new clothes/give away old clothes because I didn't want to wear clothes from the men's section. I even didn't want to wear deodorant because it was yet another sign I was growing up. When I came across troonism, I was told that all these things were signs of dysphoria and that I'm actually trans. I ran with this until I realized it would be unsustainable for several reasons and that AGP is real and not made up by an evil sexologist who wants to hurt transpeople. I made peace with growing up by finding balance with my childish qualities/interests and accepting that if I wanted to live, I couldn't stop myself from growing up and becoming a man no matter how much I wanted to.

My desire to not grow up wasn't fetishistic in any way (I think it was based in grief and denial, especially since my grandfather passed away the summer I was 12), but even still, based on what I've seen, many of these trannies (moreso the older ones than the ones who trooned below 21) want to be little girls because that is their fetish.

Lots of troonism is based around escapism + fetish. Pooners want to escape misogyny, sexual dehumanization, and trauma, while male trannies want to escape responsibility and in some cases homophobia/trauma. I think both TIMs and TIFs have some degree of fetishism behind their transition because I've seen quite a few lesbian detransitioners admit to having AAP, plus gay TIMs often act and dress in very fetishy ways. Escapism also explains a lot of troon behaviour:
  • So many troons are furries because, aside from clustered paraphilias, pretending to be a gay blue wolf is a form of escapism.
  • Troons love to be part of fandoms -- obsessing over toys, fictional characters, and fictional worlds is a childish, escapist behaviour. Most troons were huge nerds pre-transition as well.
  • Troons avidly watch cartoons (not just anime, but cartoons in general) because it's the ultimate form of escapism. Nothing in a cartoon exists in the real world, so cartoons have very few ties back to the real world. Anything can convincingly happen in a cartoon with few tells that it's fake inside the world of the cartoon -- cartoons don't need obvious costumes/prosthetics and poorly-aged special effects that make you think "Yeah, these are actors in costumes standing in front of a green wall and that thing only exists inside a computer". This isn't to mention that cartoon characters don't need to age and are often young children/teenagers, which is perfect for troons to self-insert into.
I remember reading a transwidow story where the woman said that before her husband transitioned, he couldn't help with the dishes because he was watching sports, but after he transitioned, he couldn't help with the dishes because he was doing his nails. For married males at least, transitioning has become a socially acceptable way to escape responsibility. Pre-transition, these men knew that being irresponsible, lazy, perverted men who took little/no responsibility was a bad thing, but transitioning allows them to justify these bad behaviours because their idea of being a woman is being a passive, vain sex object with no agency. Plus, being transgender lets them suicide-bait to scare their wives into letting them do all these things. I've seen lots of TIMs convince their wives to open up their relationships and introduce kink to the bedroom because the TIMs have said "Normal PIV sex with you makes me dysphoric and I'll kill myself if I'm dysphoric" -- this isn't to mention that a major reason so many transwidows stay in the relationship and let their husbands drain their bank accounts for clothes, makeup, sex toys, and hormones/surgeries is because they were terrorized into it by the suicide-baiting.
 
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a ton of TiMs don't want to be a woman so much as they want to be a little girl.
This goes just as much for the FTMs. Look at them with their little boy names (Aiden family of course, but also they are known to glom onto anything in the current top 10 for baby names) and their little bowties and suspenders like their mommy had them dress up to go to a special party. I'm surprised you don't see them wearing an old fashioned sailor suit more often.
 
This goes just as much for the FTMs. Look at them with their little boy names (Aiden family of course, but also they are known to glom onto anything in the current top 10 for baby names) and their little bowties and suspenders like their mommy had them dress up to go to a special party. I'm surprised you don't see them wearing an old fashioned sailor suit more often.
There are also many women who want to transition into a not-woman. Not a man, but certainly not a woman either. A lot of enby/non-binary bullshit comes from here.
 
I read too many posts that say something along the lines of "I'm not a woman! I'm a person!" by enbies.
I find it hilariously weird that the same women who wouldve said "ew men" or "men are gross fucks" or "I never want to be a man" 5-10 years ago are the same ones who today talk about their masculine features and "enby" status. Really shows how gayism and troonism are the new hip fashion statements.
 
This is kinda off topic, but I'm pretty squeamish when it comes to watching surgery videos, but for some odd reason I found that when I watch SRS surgeries with Weird Al Yankovic polka music in the background I can watch it with more ease. Today I just watched an entire video of a Peritoneal Pull-Through Vaginoplasty without feeling sick for the first time.
 
Pretty much all left wing spaces have been gradually overtaken by troons over the course of the last decade or so.
Because they're useful retards. Like I said earlier I think it's probably a way to quell revolutionary thought in certain types of people and it has the effect of turning working class people away from left-wing politics. I mean, there are a few left-wing outlets I watch and they're usually good and occasionally they'll run a segment about faggots. Usually it's something like "killing gay people is bad" and I guess I can get behind that but when it comes to the T's (because either it's political suicide to criticise trannies or the presenter is a rich champagne socialist who lives in a gentrified part of London where "diversity" has come to mean (very) wealthy hipster faggots, chinks and coons and a gaggle of exploitable immigrants) they lose all nuance and start frothing at the mouth not unlike the wack-a-doodle troons they're talking about.
 
I've been thinking about this a bit lately. Pretty much all left wing spaces have been gradually overtaken by troons over the course of the last decade or so. Yet despite their surface level commitment to socialism they don't really seem to care about marginalised groups that they don't personally belong to. Plus they are such massive Consoomers. I know I'm not the first to point this out but transitioning is in and of itself a massive act of consoomerism.
I remember hearing a similar argument like this about "Nazis" a few years ago. You can have a bar and maybe some skinhead Nazi shows up from time to time. And he's well behaved and he doesn't do anything weird other than having his jeans jacket and some Nazi symbols on it. And then his friends show up but they're not so well behaved and start getting in fights until they drive everyone else off. And now you have a Nazi bar.

I don't know what I think about that, there's probably at least a bit of merit to it but back to troons.

Maybe a troon shows up in your left wing space. You feel sorry for them and invite them in, like a vampire. They seem nice enough, they're the only one, they're not busting up the joint (yet). So maybe they offer to janny up the place a bit. Sure, okay, we're short on people who want to do that. And then they have a couple friends who also want to do that. Sure, this one was okay, what will a couple more do?

And before you know it, the tranny jannies are banning all the normal people, CP is being posted everywhere, death threats against "cis" people are the norm, all the original population has deserted the area, and now you have a troon group.

What were you about before? Oh, playing video games? No, fuck that, this is a trans rights group now. Playing tabletop role playing games? No. This is now a trans rights group.

Whatever you previously had, when you invite this cancer in, what you end up with is a troon group.
 
Maybe a troon shows up in your left wing space. You feel sorry for them and invite them in, like a vampire. They seem nice enough, they're the only one, they're not busting up the joint (yet).
Most of troons are very explicit in their vampirism from day one, it's the others like the Anita sarkeesian types who aren't. They never conform to space standards and always act like bratty children right up until they become a janny. I also wasn't conscious during Jack Thompson and Bush so idk what left wing was back then but troons now almost always are commies overwhelmingly 99%. So they basically employ communist tactics, specifically the active measures conversion plan from the Soviets. It's like the virus infographic in a zombie movie, it starts out with one person in a group and it spreads till they become a hive mind. All troons are like that, all troons intend that, theyre very explicit about wanting that from day one albeit they won't say it out loud till they have power. The other 1% is pretty normal, they just go bout their day.
 
Most of troons are very explicit in their vampirism from day one, it's the others like the Anita sarkeesian types who aren't. They never conform to space standards and always act like bratty children right up until they become a janny. I also wasn't conscious during Jack Thompson and Bush so idk what left wing was back then but troons now almost always are commies overwhelmingly 99%.
A big thing when I first got online in the mid 2000s was this attitude of "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right so say it." That disappeared a bit when you got to the hardcore commmies, but they were self contained in their own communities in places like the RevLeft forums. That seems to be gone now. There was a sort of anti establishment centre left politics that was mainstream back then that seems to be dying. Everyone has either become a Democratic party fanboy who wants to censor everyone who isn't them, and who will send you passive aggressive death threats if you suggest that maybe Joe Biden isn't perfect. Or a weirdo who makes posts about how the kulaks deserved mass murder for the crime of living on a slightly more fertile bit of farmland than the other starving peasants.

idk why exactly this happened, I have a theory that it had something to do with Obama getting elected in 2008 though. It's hard to wrap words around it but there was this huge sense of optimism around him in 2008. And it just kind of fizzled out, I think that broke the brains of a lot of people who hard been hardcore Obama supporters. Especially people who thought he was going to be different to the more mainline Democrats that they hated. And then when Trump got elected that broke peoples brains once again. It opened up a lot of democrats to the fact that a lot of normal people, including people who had traditionally been democrat voters, actually fucking hated them. And they couldn't stand that.

That and the centralisation of the internet into a small number of websites. Where all the discourse is about hating people from different political tribes to you. Even in the 2000s people talked about the dangers of echo chambers. But since people began abandoning smaller ideologically homogenous spaces for big sites like reddit and twitter groupthink has gotten worse rather than better.

Maybe a troon shows up in your left wing space. You feel sorry for them and invite them in, like a vampire. They seem nice enough, they're the only one, they're not busting up the joint (yet). So maybe they offer to janny up the place a bit. Sure, okay, we're short on people who want to do that. And then they have a couple friends who also want to do that. Sure, this one was okay, what will a couple more do?

And before you know it, the tranny jannies are banning all the normal people, CP is being posted everywhere, death threats against "cis" people are the norm, all the original population has deserted the area, and now you have a troon group.
This isn't just a trans thing. I've seen other groups like vegans and neurodivergent activists who infiltrate left groups by adopting a radical aesthetic. But ultimately only use it to promote their own personal pet issue. At the expense of whatever the original purpose of the group they attached themselves to was. But the trannies have been by far the most successful at this. They've managed to convince people they are the ultimate victim identity. And the ultimate sin on the left is "punching down" on someone who has more victim points than you. So leftists get stunlocked trying to deal with trannies who are acting inappropriately. If a cis person is being a gross weirdo you can just tell them to fuck off because they are making others uncomfortable. But how dare you hold trans people to the same standards of acceptable behaviour. If you stop them from being a gross weirdo you are invalidating their gender identity. That basically makes you Hitler.

There's something ironic about how the left seems to have been caught completely off guard by the sort of entryist tactics they have been using on other groups for the last 100 years or so. Sort of a "we didn't think it could happen to us" type situation.
 
idk why exactly this happened, I have a theory that it had something to do with Obama getting elected in 2008 though. It's hard to wrap words around it but there was this huge sense of optimism around him in 2008. And it just kind of fizzled out, I think that broke the brains of a lot of people who hard been hardcore Obama supporters. Especially people who thought he was going to be different to the more mainline Democrats that they hated. And then when Trump got elected that broke peoples brains once again. It opened up a lot of democrats to the fact that a lot of normal people, including people who had traditionally been democrat voters, actually fucking hated them. And they couldn't stand that.

That and the centralisation of the internet into a small number of websites. Where all the discourse is about hating people from different political tribes to you. Even in the 2000s people talked about the dangers of echo chambers. But since people began abandoning smaller ideologically homogenous spaces for big sites like reddit and twitter groupthink has gotten worse rather than better.
Oh, I know exactly what you're speaking about. It's the political polarization of the (American, speaking from a US perspective here) millennials.

What you said is 100% correct but you need to include the previous administration to truly make it make sense. It actually started with 9/11 shattering normality for America forever and then Bush getting into the Iraq War (Afghanistan is a different beast) and subjecting many young men to a pointless insurgency in the desert. Then you throw in the economy becoming permanently screwed up for the middle and working classes with the 2008 Great Recession and it's no wonder after eight years of being old enough to comprehend things got shittier, millennials were all about Obama and rebuilding into something decent again.

As we all know, that didn't happen at all.

We saw the GOP in 2001-2009 then Dems 2009-2017 show open whoring for war profiteering, globohomo, and corporate pandering while doing jack-and-shit for regular Americans struggling to keep things liveably decent. Millennials who were around 20-ish years old at most in 9/11 and immediate years have known nothing but nigh-objective powerlessness and nothing getting better for fifteen-to-twenty years straight.... well, it's no wonder so many broke and went full doompilled, hedonist, or solipsistic. Many of the current semi-young to middle-aged adults were angry millennials in their teens and twenties during the Bush years and crystalized their hatred of "conservatives" in those days, which explains why you see "Democrats" in general being the fashionable party, and terminal online-ness has been dominated by millennials since US society became eternally plugged into the internet starting around... Obama's presidency. When tumblr and its lefty reputation became a big site to boot. And of course, what you said on groupthink also comes into play, especially with online tribal identities being formed and groupthink ALWAYS leading to more extreme positions on basis of ideological purity, coupled with Obama doing jackshit and thus shattering faith in (American) center-left positions.

You can trace a straight line from 9/11 to now for how mentally fucked up millennials became and especially wokescolds and especially troons when you remember the ancient proverb that "they'll be voting against Bush for the rest of their lives."
 
I remember a time in the not so distant past, where many straight men didn’t want to hang out with any confirmed gay men or have them as friends. Presumably because they didn’t want to get hit on or have to watch their back during a night out drinking.

It seems that in recent times, certain homosexuals (who lust after these otherwise unobtainable men) have found a way to try and short-circuit this social convention.

"You’re attracted to women? Okay, I am a woman also."

As they openly parade around in ways they never have before, receiving accolades and encouragement, they have muddied the waters by confounding the language. They seem hellbent on making it harder for straight people to express their desires, forcing everyone to conform to their dictates and jump through hoops to avoid getting penalized.

I take no issue in people who want to make it their life mission to attempt to change their entire gender. It's not my business what you do behind closed doors.

However, I think they need to realize that there are people out there who genuinely fetishize them and seek those people out, rather than attempting to force themselves on unwilling participants by use of semantics.

I guess as the old adage goes, the thing you want the most is the one thing you can't have.
 
I wonder how much troons lie and project online. Take this image of well-known (lol) troons, Tony and Zach, for example: -

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Before Tony trooned out, he used to post on forums about how he had sex with women who were 8s and 9s, sometimes in threesomes. Obviously, there's a 99% chance that he was lying, but he was trying to project an image of being this guy who could pull super hot women by basically just clicking his fingers. He later went on to get married to a woman who had a child with him, so he at least found an actual woman who would not only have sex with him, but would also commit to being with him long term.

So, if he's straight, what level of coping is he doing by being with Zach? Pretty much no troons pass, but Zach is literally just a bloke with long hair, no matter what angles/filters he uses. From women who are 8s and 9s, to cuddling up with some sweaty geezer who's a 2 or 3 at best, lol.

Lying is one of the things I detest about troons the most, because I hate the way they lie to groom other - usually younger - people into their cult. For example, Elliot Fong-Jones making tweets saying that dilating was nothing and never bothered him, yet his online journal where he said what he really thought showed that he was in constant agony and fucking hated the process.
 
why do so many of them acknowledge they have autism, OCD, eating disorders, sexual (c)PSTD etc. and just not make the connection? have you ever seen a mentally healthy troon even once?
The sad thing is that there is treatment for those disorders but never a cure. Trans medicine is definitely sold as a cure for the distress all those illnesses cause.
Even when semi-sane trannies acknowledge that the reddit poster probably has depression and anxiety that requires treatment they tell him to get therapy (1/4 of my local psychologytoday "therapist" recs are obvious troons, more are women state in the first sentence they support the lgbTQIA+) but also that he should paint his nails and make a skirt go spinny.
 
Being openly trans might slightly alleviate your dysphoria. It might even make you more comfortable in social situations when people give you attention. But it won't make you happy. The narrative of be yourself, etc., isn't just somewhat contradictory (I draw a distinction between one's body and one's mind... but even liberal therapists will still coach trans women into buying into sexist stereotypes long out of date ).....

IT'S A CULTLIKE MANTRA.

The trans timeline formula reminds me of the stock plot of an antidepressant commercial, painting a simplistic narrative of a grey world suddenly turning vibrant, where Lexapro helped this individual see the light and play a guitar.

I'm not discounting the value that psych meds have for some people, but think about it: what if you were tasked with making a similar "video" plot using only highlights of your life?

Sure, you can easily paint a narrative using carefully chosen pictures, etc., that you were rarely happy before some big change happened. Maybe it was Lexapro, maybe it was cutting out dairy, maybe it was losing weight, etc., but it seemed, at least at the time, that it helped you, or maybe it genuinely did. Then you carefully choose scenes of you cranking out that novel on your laptop, picnicking with friends, etc. But even if you were happy more often, it's not like you never enjoyed those things before. And it's not like your life is all sunshine and rainbows. And *some* people on a given med might just experience emotional blunting – maybe you don't cry as often, but you might notice that a beautiful day doesn't give you as much simple joy. And not all weight loss methods are healthy... and you can easily leave out the time you were in an anorexic rehabilitation facility.

Now let's tweak the formula some more. Let's replace the lifestyle change that has a clear health benefit with something that maaayyyy have some medical and psychiatric aspects, but is ultimately cosmetic.

Something that is ultimately measured by the eyes and minds of onlookers.

Something that mostly gives the illusion of a transition.

Then you're convinced that the fact that you're enjoying social situations at all, and that you're comfortable smiling in photographs, means you're happier overall, even when these people mostly have little in common with you except being LGBT or maybe liking a few of the same movies/bands/shows. But the euphoria might give you a fleeting joy of sorts, but it doesn't give you the same satisfaction as building/writing/creating something. Creative hobbies satisfy you with the fact that you completed something, while enticing you with opportunities to diverge, improve, or question the status quo. Getting dolled up for social media pics does the opposite. You don't really reach a point of satisfaction (except maybe when doing makeup, which is itself creative), and are enticed with the idea that if you keep doing what you're doing, the dopamine will keep on coming.

Then you forget about why you didn't smile in pictures, and all the things that brought you joy before, that you may have felt scared of doing anymore because they were male-typical interests (never mind that you might be able to make a career out of some). Your therapist, as gender-radical as they might seem, might actually be a bit gender conservative when justifying the pointless societal norms placed on men and women – even those that have been abandoned since at least the 80s.

And maybe, the only evidence of you wanting to be trans at an early age was a memory that I think might have just been me afraid of growing older and developing rough skin/stubble – plus a picture of you when your cousin dressed you up as a girl for fun. And you did have some passing trans thoughts with Ripley's, TLC channel (which i personally think fueled my endosomatophilia thing more than anything else), or news reports on Thomas Beatie. Maybe you were a music buff familiar with Wendy Carlos (who trans synthheads think practically invented synth music...), or your mom let you watch Jerry Springer, who knows. But those thoughts, while strong, were passing.

Maybe puberty made you uncomfortable... THAT'S AWKWARD, GROSS, AND UNCOMFORTABLE FOR EVERYONE, YOU LITTLE ASPIE FREAK! And even then, the first time I really felt semi-strong trans thoughts beyond "wouldn't it be nice" was finding out about the selective service as an eighth grader... and that's the only government agency that doesn't recognize transitions. Plus feeling sad I couldn't hit high notes, not because I wanted a feminine voice (though I did mentally "morph" that story about choir a bit).... but because high notes just sounded more pleasant to me and I wanted to sing like TOM DELONGE OF BLINK 182 and most pop singers of the 80s through today.

And a testament to my ignorance is the fact that I thought that puberty was a more radical process for young men than young women... because men grow taller, get broad shoulders, stink more (I've ridden the LA metro... what a lie), get thicker body hair, lose their high notes, and get hornier. A fact that speaks to my hubris, one that is reaffirmed mentally whenever a close female friend brings up her period and I don't know what to say without sounding odd.

And then you really were upset at the idea that statistically speaking... the people you're attracted to not only statistically have less in common with you, but often buy into slightly antiquated, but still common, ideas of manners. That you will have to keep your guard up, let your genitals determine your place on the sidewalk, pay for every meal, and open her car door as if it's the same to her frail body as opening a walk-in fridge is to yours. That she probably won't approve of you making a single room of the house "not nice" by working on DIY projects. That she'd disapprove of major tech purchases because they don't match the decor. That she'd never play video games with me, or even sperg out about microchips and the signal theory of digital music technology. That I couldn't even casually cuss in front of her without it being interpreted as anger. That if she did pursue stem, it'd mostly be out of money, and not out of any genuine passion for modern marvels. That she would hate my music because her ears are more sensitive to 3k tones even at low volumes. That her sensitive ears meant I could wake her up at night by typing in the next room. That she'd be VERY social (I was under the impression that women were automatically more social than men)... and that she'd expect me to make pelvic thrusts during sex instead of just using our hands... I guess i was so much into computers that in my ideal FWB relationship, we'd essentially operate each other like electronic devices, like using "mice and trackpads" while staring at our "screens" and "dialogue boxes", and maybe admiring our "specs".... But maybe blaming computers for my sickness is like blaming YardHouse for my old friend's DUI. I think you know where this was going...

but ultimately... that she does let loose around her girlfriends... and she'd respect me as a fellow woman if she did share these interests.

And then the passing thoughts get strong, and your brain back-paints your dysphoria as an explanation for everything, even your autism, and you start to believe people who think you were unhappy then. You even start to think you might be some sort of asexual who has sexual thoughts, but feels uncomfortable with the thought of role-based sexuality or the full-contact game (note to past self: you were right. But would you have been right if you didn't get addicted to what I think was ultimately platonic intimacy + medical porn?).

The name you would have chosen personally for your transition became the name you WILL have, but were chickened to at first when you ended up feminizing your birth name (but you eventually do change it to that name)... well, it wasn't that big of a leap, considering the nickname you went by earlier in transition was contained within the phonemes of your new name.

And while the dysphoria would have gone, no one really prodded you about your interests, or questioned why you forced your personality to do a 180. Maybe antipsychotics inhibited me, but it's not like my thoughts were radically different... though I felt victim to even more social pressure once a YouTuber commented on my first trans timeline... and said my autism meant I had an extreme male brain... and that I didn't strike her as anything feminine. I actually think she had several points.... I'm basically a "tomboy". But I felt I had to be even more feminine, and even more social, since at the time, it didn't occur to me that women could be true introverts. But I could tell you one thing.... I am an attention seeker.

But I had all the pictures I needed to make a trans timeline.... and the rest was history.

One more lie I believed until I transitioned....
"women don't get pee on toilet seats"

Girl, was I wrong.

okay. Hi, i'm natalie.

I have pretty nuanced feelings about all this, and no real regrets, yet misgendering doesn't seem to bother me like it used to. A customer service rep calling me sir doesn't even faze me. I note it, move on, etc. Sometimes, I like to joke in my head that they come from an alternate culture that takes a purely empirical look at the world, much like how I thought I did as a teenager who'd watch atheist videos on YouTube.

i do, however regret being fake.
 
What I don't get is why it is sometimes referred to as "life-saving" care/treatment.

Normally if you are considered a suicide risk, you get sectioned and are forced to eat with plastic cutlery.
You don't get to pick your meds and you certainly don't get given access to scalpels.

It seems like the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
 
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