Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I'm starting to understand why some of you are more interested in pooners. Just randomly browsing r/ftm will easily give you enough new content to fill a whole page of Trans posting their L's.

There are so few ftm, they're way less assertive (good luck trying to force your bullshit on actual men), and have much less visibility.
Add the fact that female troons are 999/1000 just nonbinary attention whores, and you can easily understand why they're much less likely to be taken seriously

They're all autistic dumbfucks, they're very aware of that (they even admit it sometimes) and no one in the world takes them seriously, so you can't even get mad at them. To me they're like that broken vending machine every kid at school steals from
Their ideology aside, i don't think they're a threat to anyone and there are so few anyway. I wouldn't mind if we could somehow keep them around after all this insanity comes to an end (assuming we don't go extinct first)

I readily admit their ignorance and femcelness over men will make me giggle if I come across it, and anyone here will assure you there's definitely dangerous, perverted ones who deserve intimidation from a real man if they come a-kiddy diddlin'. And you're right that it's that very harmlessness that makes me just ignore them 99% of the time anywhere.

Mostly though, I find them a very pitiable by-product of the current ills of society being plugged online so much, much less troonism itself. These women want to escape the internet's hypersexualization of women so badly or merely wish to explore their love of men without that, that they have to make themselves unsexable in order to do so... then they'll realize in five to twenty years' time they'll be unfuckable, undatable and thus become an actual femcel. I even posted about it earlier in the thread, that we're already seeing a tiny but real uptick of such women and it's only going to rise and become a recurring issue since the majority of new troons and also destransitioners are seemingly pooners.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Pooner Farming is a growth market.
Pooners are rapidly becoming the fastest growing type of tranny, like any true social contagion, naive young girls are the worst affected.
It used to be middle age guys losing their shit over their AGP fetish and trooning out, but the AGP troons are rapidly being overtaken by Pooners.
It's the Year of the Dood.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Their ideology aside, i don't think they're a threat to anyone and there are so few anyway. I wouldn't mind if we could somehow keep them around after all this insanity comes to an end (assuming we don't go extinct first)

I'd say they're a threat to gay men. But more in the sense that they are an annoyance that has to be dealt with. Rather than a physical threat the way transbians are to gay women. Most of them aren't physically powerful, and they still have years of female socialisation. But they also have loads of testosterone pumping through a body that's not set up to handle that. And that can cause aggression in a way that can be legitimately dangerous. I think the biggest thing stopping them from being a threat is that they aren't taken as seriously as the TiMs. And ironically I think that's because deep down even their allies still view them as women, and society doesn't take women as seriously as men in general.

 

[Space Police]

I think the biggest thing stopping them from being a threat is that they aren't taken as seriously as the TiMs. And ironically I think that's because deep down even their allies still view them as women, and society doesn't take women as seriously as men in general.

Absolutely. Have you seen a pooner who wasn't famous before get famous for being a transperson to do something like start a business, enter the entertainment industry, or achieve any other professional/intellectual milestone? Pooners only get famous for being trans if they get pregnant or do porn. Most of the times pooners are featured in magazines or billboards is when they're scantily-clad and often literally barefoot and pregnant. Meanwhile, you'll find probably hundreds of articles like "Meet the trans woman who's breaking the glass ceiling and blazing the way to inclusion in [insert any area]".

A pooner who documented her transition like Dylan Mulvaney wouldn't get anywhere near as famous. If there was an all-pooner version of the Tranch, the media would totally ignore it. Pooners can't escape the misogyny even in their own movement, which is why many of them trooned out to begin with.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Anyone know what happened to Bailey Jay? Or whatever their name was? They were a T girl in the early days of the net. If you ever saw a gif of that kid looking at stuff online that does the thumbs up, and on the dinosaur computer was a decently attractive woman that was brushing her teeth, and panned down to a dick, that was Bailey.

 

[Real Mayun]

Let's put on the crackpot schizo risperdal-deficient hat for a second...

I think there's a more insidious reason why the mental health industry will so happily give recommendations for autistic men to start hormones and transition.

I think it's not just to sterilize autistic people, but also to coach them and change them in several key ways:

• A lot of the coaching for how to act "ladylike" would heavily discourage stimming, "incorrect" vocal inflections, male-typical speech patterns, casual cursing, and other like behavior. My therapist gave me ABA and called it gender affirming therapy.
• They'll spend time and money on makeup; time and money they would have spent on DIY projects or hobbies instead.
• They'll maybe see how dangerous the tech bros supposedly are.
• They won't be able to reproduce.
• They'll best be accepted by the left, which while theoretically being accepting of autism, encourages people to be on their best social behavior and almost too considerate. This is a party that will berate you for "cultural appropriation" (using rhythms that white people have used for over a century, or winged eyeliner, or saying "ain't", or wearing a straw sombrero), "objectifying women" even when it is consensual, talking about problems with close friends instead of a therapist "emotional labour", etc. Avoiding these petty sins requires a certain mentality that's HELL for autistic people.
• I don't know very many women who are passionate about technology. The women I know who went for computer science degrees at my old university seemed to only be there because it would pay well, not out of a genuine passion. Could they be trying to keep us away from people who share our interest?

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Let's put on the crackpot schizo risperdal-deficient hat for a second...

I think there's a more insidious reason why the mental health industry will so happily give recommendations for autistic men to start hormones and transition.

I think it's not just to sterilize autistic people, but also to coach them and change them in several key ways:

• A lot of the coaching for how to act "ladylike" would heavily discourage stimming, "incorrect" vocal inflections, male-typical speech patterns, casual cursing, and other like behavior. My therapist gave me ABA and called it gender affirming therapy.
• They'll spend time and money on makeup; time and money they would have spent on DIY projects or hobbies instead.
• They'll maybe see how dangerous the tech bros supposedly are.
• They won't be able to reproduce.
• They'll best be accepted by the left, which while theoretically being accepting of autism, encourages people to be on their best social behavior and almost too considerate. This is a party that will berate you for "cultural appropriation" (using rhythms that white people have used for over a century, or winged eyeliner, or saying "ain't", or wearing a straw sombrero), "objectifying women" even when it is consensual, talking about problems with close friends instead of a therapist "emotional labour", etc. Avoiding these petty sins requires a certain mentality that's HELL for autistic people.
• I don't know very many women who are passionate about technology. The women I know who went for computer science degrees at my old university seemed to only be there because it would pay well, not out of a genuine passion. Could they be trying to keep us away from people who share our interest?

I thought posting here was "digital self harm"? How come you decided to come back?

 

[Real Mayun]

I respect y'all as a general forum on the principle of respecting free speech, and there are some things I hate about the left, such as the opposition to free speech and repackaging of socialized gender roles as mental health.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Anyone know what happened to Bailey Jay? Or whatever their name was? They were a T girl in the early days of the net. If you ever saw a gif of that kid looking at stuff online that does the thumbs up, and on the dinosaur computer was a decently attractive woman that was brushing her teeth, and panned down to a dick, that was Bailey.

Here's his twitter account https://twitter.com/BaileyJayTweets he looks like absolute shit now. Or at least he looks like a drag queen with tits and way too much makeup. Also seems to still be running/updating his own porn website which is a throwback to the 2000s.

I respect y'all as a general forum on the principle of respecting free speech, and there are some things I hate about the left, such as the opposition to free speech and repackaging of socialized gender roles as mental health.

I really don't know what to make of you. You seem like someone who is self aware enough to know they are being self destructive by staying on the transphobic cyberstalking website. I think the first time I interacted with you on this site you made a comment about big pharma being behind the trans movement. That hits a little different knowing that you are trans and have been turned into a paypiggy by a bunch of amoral pharmaceutical companies who are more interested in milking money from you than helping you.

A pooner who documented her transition like Dylan Mulvaney wouldn't get anywhere near as famous. If there was an all-pooner version of the Tranch, the media would totally ignore it. Pooners can't escape the misogyny even in their own movement, which is why many of them trooned out to begin with.

I'm trying to imagine what a pooner Dylan Mulvaney would be like. I can't really imagine "today I manspreaded on a train to show off how much of a man I am" would get the same reaction as Dylan's "omg I'm a silly girl who's scared of bees because that's what being a girl is" schtick. Maybe some people would call it misandrist, but mostly I don't think anyone would care. Even trans allies would go "oh good for him" and just move on and forget about it.

 

[Alouatta Simia Belzebul]

They'll best be accepted by the left, which while theoretically being accepting of autism, encourages people to be on their best social behavior and almost too considerate.

I don't know you like the other people in the thread seem to, but the idea of autistic people being too considerate and trying too hard to behave in social situations is one I only ever hear from autistic people and never hear from neurotypical people. I don't feel sorry for you.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Absolutely. Have you seen a pooner who wasn't famous before get famous for being a transperson to do something like start a business, enter the entertainment industry, or achieve any other professional/intellectual milestone?

Dr. Ben Barres is the only one I can think of, and you're only going to know that name if you're into neurodegenerative disorders.

 

[Real Mayun]

All aboard the toxic hormone train
Revising the language with misinformation
The toxic hormone train
You got a one way ticket to osteoporosis station

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Let's put on the crackpot schizo risperdal-deficient hat for a second...

I think there's a more insidious reason why the mental health industry will so happily give recommendations for autistic men to start hormones and transition.

I think it's not just to sterilize autistic people, but also to coach them and change them in several key ways:

• A lot of the coaching for how to act "ladylike" would heavily discourage stimming, "incorrect" vocal inflections, male-typical speech patterns, casual cursing, and other like behavior. My therapist gave me ABA and called it gender affirming therapy.
• They'll spend time and money on makeup; time and money they would have spent on DIY projects or hobbies instead.
• They'll maybe see how dangerous the tech bros supposedly are.
• They won't be able to reproduce.
• They'll best be accepted by the left, which while theoretically being accepting of autism, encourages people to be on their best social behavior and almost too considerate. This is a party that will berate you for "cultural appropriation" (using rhythms that white people have used for over a century, or winged eyeliner, or saying "ain't", or wearing a straw sombrero), "objectifying women" even when it is consensual, talking about problems with close friends instead of a therapist "emotional labour", etc. Avoiding these petty sins requires a certain mentality that's HELL for autistic people.
• I don't know very many women who are passionate about technology. The women I know who went for computer science degrees at my old university seemed to only be there because it would pay well, not out of a genuine passion. Could they be trying to keep us away from people who share our interest?

In some way I'm somewhat on the sympathetic side of your situation. I think most people who trooned out are being exploited by big pharma and the deep sickness of our society today. However, this post is ironically very autistc, and I don't know if you're aware of that, that autists cannot see that people have inner life and are simply not just stereotypes.

You really seem to think that all women are 'well socialized' and would all speak in the same manner. That women are all into pretty things, makeups, and would never be into tech beyond money. Unfeminine women who is into tech are not necessarily autistic too, sometimes they simply just have the interest for it. They are not the majority, but the majority of people also do not fit into troony rigid standard of what men and women should be.

And the mention of how 'objectifying women is part of autism thinking', do you realize that you're borderline doing it as well when you rant about you don't pass and go onto what you think women ought to do?

Dr. Ben Barres is the only one I can think of, and you're only going to know that name if you're into neurodegenerative disorders.

The whole thing was a disgrace, she died from pancreatic cancer, which can be caused by taking exogenous T. She spoke out a lot how she didn't really believe in the narrative 'wrong brain sex' and how much women are discriminated and abused in scientific fields, something which she had suffered - but then trooned out anyway.

I'm not a feminist, and I hate most of the woke talking points. - here I'm not just lamenting the pooners, I think anyone talented who trooned out are like people who got seduced into cults, but the cult is part of the establishment. A lot of 'smart' people trooned out because they can get themselves tied in knot in the logic of 'gender' by navel gazing too much.

 

[Real Mayun]

Well., I'm autistic. I don't view it as an insult. I view it as more of a condition than a disorder per se, but definitely one that often comes with disorders.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

TERF explains the reason why TRAs, handmaidens, and other troon enablers double down on their support for troon "rights."

Doing otherwise is an admission that they were complicit in one of the worst atrocities ever committed against humanity. Mass sterilization, unnecessary medical experimentation on children and other vulnerable people specifically, for the sole purpose of validating willfully confused sons of perdition in their degeneracy.

 

[Real Mayun]

When you think of it, the current dialect of English taught in many schools does away with many hallmarks of Western grammar.

• LOSS OF NUMBER AGREEMENT, AND ASSOCIATED CONCEPT OF SUBJECT/VERB AND PRONOUN/ANTECEDENT AGREEMENT: Though one can say the same about "you", "they" still takes plural verb forms when referring to a singular subjects.
• LOSS OF SYLLOGISM: The idea that words should be used consistently as objectively meaningful signposts is undermined with transgenderism. Trans people have argued ad nauseum about brain scans (trust me... most people go their whole lives without a brain scan... the same thing they say about karyotypes/chromosome tests). They've argued about intersex people, or the fact that you don't think of people's genitals when addressing them as sir/maam in public (a practice I've noticed is dying out in California... usually, it's a simple excuse me). But it all seeks to undermine syllogism. Man and woman used to be simple truths that rhymed all the way down, and intersex people are a rare exception. I'm 46XY and would gladly upload some Cat scans, MRIs and EEGs to resident brain experts on this forum.
  
  
• LOSS OF FORMAL SENIORITY: The formal dialect has long been what's understood to the elders of a given community. This predominantly youth-led movement has bullied ELA and linguistics faculty to redefine formal English to include constructs that go against it.

 

[cia-log]

I just found out "serving fish" refers to vaginas. As in a trans person passing as a woman is indistinguishable from one of those people with the fishy smelling orifices. As I understand it they took this phrase from drag performers.
Boy I am just not up to date on any of this. I can't believe women just accepted this for so long.

 

[Sissyagamben]

My other thought is that is it just me or psychiatrists are really bent on trooning out people that suffer from schizophrenia? I say this because there have been research papers where it often is pointed out how schizophrenia and gender dysphoria can overlap with one another,

It's sterilization. Not just people with schizophrenia, but also all mentally feeble folx with autism + other severe mental illness.
ps. This is completely unscientific and based on only anecdotal observations: estrogen seems to trigger some sort of psychotic disorder/episode in male troon. I don't think autism delays the onset of schizophrenia in men, as in Chris Chan. I just know more than one troon IRL who also experienced hallucinations and grandiose delusions after starting Estrogen and T-blockers (they are both way over early 20s, when schizophrenia ususally develops in men). It is very interesting as there are evidence saying estrogen is neuroprotective against psychosis in both sexes, while it's definitely not protecting these troons from going coocoo the way they are taking it, it seems like there's definitely a link between the two. science n shiet

Because troonery is seen as an all-encompassing diagnosis. Once you say you're trans, everything else in psychiatry comes to a screeching halt, and the only thing you can do is affirm and turn a blind eye to all of the other co-morbidities.

This is true also in practice, at least with the Tavistock GIDS with it was around. All kids who go to NHS mental health facility for help, no matter what other conditions they have, if they have even a hint of "gender issues," they would be referred to the GIDS and will no longer be seen by a normal psychiatrist. You would have a kid who's extremely suicidal, depressed, even going manic etc, doesn't matter. If they mention anything about any confusion about their sex, they go on the waitlist to GIDS.

Mostly though, I find them a very pitiable by-product of the current ills of society being plugged online so much, much less troonism itself. These women want to escape the internet's hypersexualization of women so badly or merely wish to explore their love of men without that, that they have to make themselves unsexable in order to do so...

It's natural in both men and women to have more sympathy for women than men, Josh talks this way about pooners on his streams too. The pooners and their associates are the most insane pusher for "sex work is work" bs, many of them were/are prostitutes/onlyfan whores themselves. They are way more sexually dis-inhibited than the average women and they hate men with such irrationality they would never admit they need or want one. I know it's tempting to pity women, but these folks are just as mentally deranged and sexually perverted as your average male troon. I think what you are saying could be true for some of the very young girls who started transition before/during puberty, it doesnt apply to pooners in general at all.

They won't be able to reproduce.

exactly. that is the whole point, it's cruel experimentation and sterilization on those who they deem "genetically undesirable."

 

[TruffleSpark]

idk how people on this forum feel about Blaire White, but this genuinely caused a lightbulb moment with me. I don't know how I never figured this out. Once you see it it's so obvious that retarded pronouns that constantly change aren't meant to be understood. They're landmines that are meant to be stepped on. Yet another point in the "genderspecials are bullies larping as victims" column.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

It's natural in both men and women to have more sympathy for women than men, Josh talks this way about pooners on his streams too. The pooners and their associates are the most insane pusher for "sex work is work" bs, many of them were/are prostitutes/onlyfan whores themselves. They are way more sexually dis-inhibited than the average women and they hate men with such irrationality they would never admit they need or want one. I know it's tempting to pity women, but these folks are just as mentally deranged and sexually perverted as your average male troon. I think what you are saying could be true for some of the very young girls who started transition before/during puberty, it doesnt apply to pooners in general at all.

Funnily enough I agree fully with you here. Absolutely. You are 100% correct and anyone disagreeing with you is either a troon or man-hater.

I've spoken in posts before that I think being a man in today's society is a raw deal in terms of emotional and psychological loneliness and damage, not helped by the casual misandry a lot of women and society itself displays - everyone rational and decent on this site, women as much as men, will attest to the amount of "men are scum/evil/etc." posts they see on twitter or reddit or whatever is shocking when you step back and look at it objectively. Same for such posts and people still expecting men to "man up", be primary providers in an age of nominal equality, or the amount of women who still get irrationally turned off by their menfolk displaying emotional vulnerability to them when they're the ones they trust to let emotions out to. I have zero doubts more than one MTF caught in this cycle of hate deciding it's easier to be on the women's side of things simply for emotional sake, deliciously wrong as it actually is.

I suppose to me it's just that if there's one blessing men have against pooners it's the physical aspect. Any pooner who attempts to attempt some, shall we say, male-style aggression is likely to have the unholy shit beaten out of them if they want a true "fair" fight because it sure as shit ain't actually one. So their perversions and hate of men (in the way MTFs are obvious misogynists), while public and despicable, currently affect men far less than the MTFs actively colonizing women's spaces and terminology - if shit hit the fan I really have no doubt the sex that's dominated society for history up to very recent times will make any pooners fucking around to, well, find out in terms of consequences.

I'd LOVE to see pooner perversity actually highlight to normies this emotional and psychological damage taking its toll on masculine self-esteem and confidence, via these troonettes thinking they'll just have an automatic brotherhood of dudebros and respect as A MAN fall into their laps, instead see how soul-crushingly alone manhood can actually be... but we all know that's not actually going to happen.