Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

The Department of Health and Human Services has issued pronoun mandates

The email in question:

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/esTOP

The linked video is unlisted on YouTube; thankfully we have a link, which I've archived.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I'm seeking out more and more content from detransitioners and there's always troons in the replies going "I'm trans and I agree with you, but..." As someone who initially fell for the whole "trutrans" thing when I first started learning about this stuff, I find this annoying. This still seems weirdly religious, in the same way it feels weirdly religious for other parts of the trans community to go out of their way to avoid seeing anything critical. It's like they seek this content out as a sort of "test of faith". Then they walk away thinking, "my situation isn't a 100% perfect match to this other person, therefore it is actually proof that I am trans." Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate the way the mainstream trans community treats detransitioners, and this is a step up from that at least. But it's still delusional thinking.

 

[Saint Agustin]

I'm seeking out more and more content from detransitioners and there's always troons in the replies going "I'm trans and I agree with you, but..." As someone who initially fell for the whole "trutrans" thing when I first started learning about this stuff, I find this annoying. This still seems weirdly religious, in the same way it feels weirdly religious for other parts of the trans community to go out of their way to avoid seeing anything critical. It's like they seek this content out as a sort of "test of faith". Then they walk away thinking, "my situation isn't a 100% perfect match to this other person, therefore it is actually proof that I am trans." Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate the way the mainstream trans community treats detransitioners, and this is a step up from that at least. But it's still delusional thinking.

The only good way to treat a trans or a repentive troon is a rope, a laugh and oblivious.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I'm seeking out more and more content from detransitioners and there's always troons in the replies going "I'm trans and I agree with you, but..." As someone who initially fell for the whole "trutrans" thing when I first started learning about this stuff, I find this annoying.

Replies like that don't exist for the OP's usage or enlightenment, those replies function as a means of self reflection for the trans person postint them. The trans person is making it about themselves and social media is so lopsided that everyone is used to watching people be that self absorbed and autistic about it.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

I'm seeking out more and more content from detransitioners and there's always troons in the replies going "I'm trans and I agree with you, but..." [...] Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate the way the mainstream trans community treats detransitioners, and this is a step up from that at least. But it's still delusional thinking.

Sure, transmeds absolutely treat them better, but only because they'd be stupid not to. I'd argue the only reason transmedicalists give detransitioners the time of day is because they serve to further their own agenda. Detransition stories are especially useful to them because they can be used as a cudgel against the wider trans community - "see what happens when someone who isn't True Trans decides to transition? This is all the trenders' fault!"

Plus, detransitioners can quite easily be converted to their ideology. Transmeds offer them support in the hopes that they conclude they were actually Fake Trans the whole time, and True Trans people still exist and need to take hormones (rather than rebelling against gender medicine as a whole, in which case the transmeds will cut them off as swiftly as any other troon). A lot of ex-trannies go down this path, as I'm sure you've seen.

It's like they seek this content out as a sort of "test of faith". Then they walk away thinking, "my situation isn't a 100% perfect match to this other person, therefore it is actually proof that I am trans."

The transmeds often have very similar experiences to the detransitioners. It's just that trans people don't see themselves in those stories because they're told from the perspective of someone on the outside. Maybe when you were a teenager, a benevolent older trans person supported you through the first steps of your transition - it isn't until you detrans years later that you realise "oh shit, I was groomed".

The issue is that when detransers recount their experiences, they do so from a (relatively) objective standpoint rather than actually describing how they felt at the time these things were happening. Those who are still stuck in the delusion cannot relate, so the more of these stories they read, the more convinced they become of their own transness.

 

[TruffleSpark]

When Light Yagami kills a troon with the death note does he use their preferred name or does he have to find their birth name? I figure it's the latter, putting the "dead" in "deadname."

 

[AMHOLIO]

When Light Yagami kills a troon with the death note does he use their preferred name or does he have to find their birth name? I figure it's the latter, putting the "dead" in "deadname."

This is the most important shit to be asked in the thread. I think it would be their deadname too.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Men's Health needs to change its name to Penis-Owners' Health.

Link

 

[AMHOLIO]

Men's Health needs to change its name to Penis-Owners' Health.
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Link

Does this apply to those who have medical penises in a jar?

 

[Ouro Boros]

Why do trans people (and other people of questionable identity) seem to casually slip in curse words into their speech? Is it the autism pushing out those words in a effort to attract someone's attention? I'm only asking since Big Yellow (who is not trans but might as well be), who seems to be a chill dude, casually slips in fuck and shit into his videos like its nothing.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Why do trans people (and other people of questionable identity) seem to casually slip in curse words into their speech? Is it the autism pushing out those words in a effort to attract someone's attention? I'm only asking since Big Yellow (who is not trans but might as well be), who seems to be a chill dude, casually slips in fuck and shit into his videos like its nothing.

He's basically trans if he's they/them. He's on the pipeline to hell.

Usually it's just their friendship group. A lot of online spaces have casual styles where occasionally slipping in some more bitter tones either for comedic effect, frustration, or to show they too are annoyed and cynical about something. There's a lot of social media circles and groups that do the swears thing, that's a tad too broad (even Kiwis can have that type of pattern). I haven't watched his videos in a while, do you mean something more like he forces his swears or the attitude they're said with, or like it feels like him and other troons do the same?


It is funny listening to someone speak and being able to pin approximate social media sites they hang out on. I'm sure there's a bit of a distinct Kiwi pattern & definitely some terminology we've taken on that marks our typing styles. Autism Thunderdome Containment Zone is the most prominent isolated case for us, but there's different speak in different threads, sections, & stuff that's universal on the site but not on others.

 

[TooManyKittens]

So I suppose this goes nowhere if not here. Random interaction and convo with people.

I'm ancient and from an era where you worked hard to finish your degree if you weren't an idiot.

Group discussion of some college by gones happened and one of the youngest people pipes up with yeah, she had to drop put because her "whole gender situation was on fire".

Outwardly i nod politely as if I understand because I'm not making an ass of myself and a scene for various reasons, and inwardly im trying to hide the giant record scratch screeching halt my thought process has come to that says "what the actual fuck".

Your gender confusion was so important and distressing you quit school? I get wanting to find yourself as a young adult but..what.

Like how spoiled and bratty do you have to be to determine that some inner sense of self is a situation "on fire" so badly you do that?

All I can think is how much even assholes i lost contact with years ago and idiots who had to swap to a less challenging degree would work to make sure they at least passed or finished something else. Sometimes 2 jobs to pay for it, sometimes to go to an apprenticeship in trade because college ain't for all. Sometimes it was Ramen and spaghetti for 3 weeks straight with shitty roommates and praying your grandmother sends you money for Christmas because holy fuck that clunker you drive to campus needs a tire.

And yeah a few folks dropped out for medical reasons- usually cancer or serious life altering shit.

I guess im.old and out of touch and autistic to be bewildered and annoyed that I'm somehow supposed to sympathize with that horseshit. Because if my brain had caught up from the record scratch and I opened my mouth would the blow up been wild. Thank goodness for mental confusion and the female default to "be nice and go along till you figure out wtf just happened" works i guess.

Sad thing is ofc the entire room reacts the same way so who knows how many agreed or didn't because socially theres one response to this.

Hilariously enough I have no idea what this woman actually identifies as or pronouns and I dont care because obviously, it was another woman.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Like how spoiled and bratty do you have to be to determine that some inner sense of self is a situation "on fire" so badly you do that?

I can believe her mental health is a dumpsterfire. For some people, quitting college for a bit then coming back is better, and for some not going to college is better for them - there's too many students being pushed by high schools to go to college so the schools can brag about how much college admissions they had. Anyway, this person is much more likely to be saying "I am too inept mentally to handle college" instead of genderfire. She likely is a spoiled brat, but it's not unusual for people not fit to be in college get in and drop out.

 

[TooManyKittens]

I can believe her mental health is a dumpsterfire. For some people, quitting college for a bit then coming back is better, and for some not going to college is better for them - there's too many students being pushed by high schools to go to college so the schools can brag about how much college admissions they had. Anyway, this person is much more likely to be saying "I am too inept mentally to handle college" instead of genderfire. She likely is a spoiled brat, but it's not unusual for people not fit to be in college get in and drop out.

I suppose that makes sense in context that it really isn't about the gender and more about actual real issues (mental included) which i have a lot more sympathy for tbh. Full agree on the rest of it.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I suppose that makes sense in context that it really isn't about the gender and more about actual real issues (mental included) which i have a lot more sympathy for tbh. Full agree on the rest of it.

I'm also sold on being a spoiled brat too since all enbies I encounter who talk about it IRL usually are trust fund retards so we're in agreement.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I suppose that makes sense in context that it really isn't about the gender and more about actual real issues (mental included) which i have a lot more sympathy for tbh. Full agree on the rest of it.

The thing about "gender" is it's a magic word. If someone says "my mental health is terrible and I can't finish college," they're going to get sympathy, but also problem-solving and a sprinkle of BOOTSTRAPS. Invoke "gender" and people nod sadly at you and decide not to go further into that part of the conversation.

This may or may not be conscious.

It's morbidly funny when trans people complain about "trans broken arm syndrome," i.e. you go to the doctor while trans and every problem gets related back to being trans. (This is the same thing HAES people complain about except with obesity.) The trans people, however, are also reporting behavioral issues, but any discussion of learning coping strategies, working on resilience, dealing with anything other than that self-diagnosed transgender identity--nope, that's conversion therapy.

It's an identity, so it's society's problem; anyone telling you about coping strategies, realizing what you can and can't control, or suggesting you backburner it and work on your BPD/autism/PTSD is a transphobe.

 

[Jacques1194]

I had this thought I shared in another thread.I'd be curious to know about what other people who suffer from other mental health issues actually think about doctors who tell them they're mentally ill for believing there's something wrong with them (like body dysmorphia), and to stop embracing their delusions to then claim the man who thinks he's a woman and wants to chop his dick off isn't mentally ill.If I was someone that suffered from some other mental illness I'd be pissed off at how my doctor would call me mentally ill, but encourage a gender dysphoric patient to embrace their delusions and reaffirm them that they aren't delusional.Either all delusions are valid or none of them are.Its like I said before, you cant claim being born into the wrong body only happens when the person thinks they're the opposite sex, but nothing else.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Ok, so we can see how transgender and gay rights rose to prominence alongside each other. What if a reason for the rise of transgenderism is that there is suddenly there was a class of people who were off limits to the opposite sex. Before every man could just assume that any woman was potentially a mate, and every woman could assume the opposite. So there was no need for sex mimicry in order to get a certain group of the opposite sex to fuck you. But once there was a class of men/women who were off boundaries, suddenly there was another class of men and women who wanted to violate those boundaries. Lou Sullivan is a famous pooner from the 80s who kept a diary of all the rape by deception she did of gay men. I have to wonder how much of transgender is just straight people who became obsessed with wanting to fuck gay people. And how that wouldn't exist if gay people hadn't earned the right to not be expected to be available to straight people.

Related (horrifying) comic:

 

[Lady Bizness]

Your gender confusion was so important and distressing you quit school?

Glad my taxes aren't going to pay for this retard's loans. Here's to many more gender fires for college enrollees.

 

[Jacques1194]

Related (horrifying) comic:

Do....do they not realize that they basically admitting they're transitioning to get with lesbians?Unless the author of the comic horribly implied something else, they're basically admitting that.Then again maybe they're so autistic that they think being attracted to someone who happens to be a lesbian=they must be one too.