Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[TruffleSpark]

Do....do they not realize that they basically admitting they're transitioning to get with lesbians?Unless the author of the comic horribly implied something else, they're basically admitting that.Then again maybe they're so autistic that they think being attracted to someone who happens to be a lesbian=they must be one too.

I saw this going round tumblr and troons were unironically going "what's wrong with being trans so you can fuck lesbians?" I fucking wish I was kidding.

 

[kyskeff]

I had this thought I shared in another thread.I'd be curious to know about what other people who suffer from other mental health issues actually think about doctors who tell them they're mentally ill for believing there's something wrong with them (like body dysmorphia)

Spoiler: PL

I suffered with severe body dysmorphia after a freak accident playing my sport when I was younger. Gained 75lbs and it took the better part of 5 years to lose it & get back into good physical shape. I listened to my psych & other doctors in spite of it being difficult to believe them. All trannies are/act mentally ill, but not all mentally ill people are/act like trannies.

Ok, so we can see how transgender and gay rights rose to prominence alongside each other. What if a reason for the rise of transgenderism is that there is suddenly there was a class of people who were off limits to the opposite sex. Before every man could just assume that any woman was potentially a mate, and every woman could assume the opposite. So there was no need for sex mimicry in order to get a certain group of the opposite sex to fuck you. But once there was a class of men/women who were off boundaries, suddenly there was another class of men and women who wanted to violate those boundaries. Lou Sullivan is a famous pooner from the 80s who kept a diary of all the rape by deception she did of gay men. I have to wonder how much of transgender is just straight people who became obsessed with wanting to fuck gay people. And how that wouldn't exist if gay people hadn't earned the right to not be expected to be available to straight people.

I think you're on the right track with this. One of the biggest contributors to the prevalence of ADULT transgenderism in my opinion is the rise of dating apps and modern beauty standards further isolating already lonely men. Trooning out is an easy way to societally pressure even a smallish chunk of women into fucking you, especially lesbians, which is most definitely a fetish as you mention. The other thing is that even with the gay & lonely crowd, you're often ostracized for not being socially left wing so that takes away a big chunk of options as well. Incel, right wing, pilled, whatever faggot nonsense is not attractive to 9/10 women, or even sane men for that matter. While it's definitely part, I think it's more wanting to fuck PEOPLE period (of course, people they're attracted to, conventional 10s and 11s) than it is lesbians/gay people specifically at least for a lot of them, but it definitely is part and basically the same thing at the end of the day. Root of all is loneliness and a feeling of being owed something/someone, which is a much bigger core issue than being a tranny in itself. See: mass shooters.

Do....do they not realize that they basically admitting they're transitioning to get with lesbians?Unless the author of the comic horribly implied something else, they're basically admitting that.Then again maybe they're so autistic that they think being attracted to someone who happens to be a lesbian=they must be one too.

Yes, they do. See above. They all realize this, and even if it isn't all trannies, a chunk of them most definitely uses being a tranny to gaslight (especially) women into fucking them. Straight or gay.

 

[Madame Souza]

Apropos to nothing, I have a friend from my hometown who I think might be on the verge of trooning out.
1. His sister is FTM and he became very supportive after some time and the family has all been down forever
2. Anime/gaming/internet nerd
3. Always mostly been friends with girls/women (I’ve seen TIMs use this as justification for their true womanness)
4. Not particularly romantically successful
5. Not very tall
AND, the clincher that brought about this suspicion:
6. I stumbled on an instagram account with no posts but the username is a female version of his name+his last name. Say, for example, if his name was John Stephens, the account would be Johnna_Stephens. His real surname is uncommon and it’s only following like 25 people, all of whom I know, that are mostly family members of his.

We used to be really close, but we aren’t anymore. We still talk occasionally but haven’t for like a year or so. There’s no way to ask about it tactfully that I can think of, all that’s coming up is something like:
“Hey dude, haven’t talked to you in a while! Just wanted to check in and make sure you’re still aware you’re a man and always will be!”, which seems like kind of a nonstarter.

I really hope he doesn’t troon out, you guys. Not only would he be fucking up everything in his life, he would be really, really, really unfortunate looking. A real tranny sideshow, if you will.

 

[AWizard]

@Captain Confabulator
As I was saying before, there is a disconnect. You have to understand that many of these ("on-the-ground") middle/upper middle class libtards are not unlike their tory/conservative brethren and only differ on superficial 'cultural' issues. They live, breathe, eat, shit, fuck in practically the same way. Any form of rebellion, any advocation for change, cannot and will not be allowed to affect their socio-economic status. So affordable housing, fair wages, issues that won't benefit them personally or give them virtue-signalling points or a new costume to wear is off the table. But pointless cultural issues that won't really do anything for social inequality, won't inccur any costs to support and automatically gives you the "moral high ground"? Hell yeah. Trans issues fit the bill.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Tumblr gets philosophical. Also I have no idea what thread to put this in. The "comment on Ovarit" in question is actually this tweet thread btw: https://archive.md/GfWN9
at least that's what I'm assuming is being referenced

 

[Jacques1194]

I'm going to say that seeing all the autistic people who are trans has made me start being a self hating autistic person.Its just how can these people not understand sexist stereotypes and/or being GNC even when it was for one time?I've said before about how i'm kinda still in the south park fandom and noticed a lot of TIFs obsessed with the show.One in particular is autistic and is so convinced that Kenny is not cis because of the one time he cross dressed as a princess.She even gets into arguments with people about it and admits to blocking anyone who corrects her that kenny is cis.She doesn't understand roleplaying and being GNC.She literally thinks if any boy does something that is feminine that they're no longer a boy.Its the same with Butters and him getting bullied into dressing up as a girl.He mostly hated it, but she and a few other TIFs think that because he started to enjoy dancing with the girls that suddenly means he secret wants to be one.Like how is it that an autistic person like me can understand that this doesn't change anything about a person?Hell i played with my sister's dolls one time and never thought much about gender.Yet these people's psychological disorder has really screwed them up that they have trouble understanding something so basic.Sorry if i'm ranting a bit, its just frustrating that these people dont understand what being GNC or doing anything that isn't related to your birth sex means.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Tumblr gets philosophical. Also I have no idea what thread to put this in.

Seems to fit here. I (and many others) have often compared troonism to a cult, but an addiction also fits. Induction into a cult and addiction do tend to take very similar forms, target similar demographics, and follow similar downward spirals.

 

[OneMillionRPM]

I saw this going round tumblr and troons were unironically going "what's wrong with being trans so you can fuck lesbians?" I fucking wish I was kidding.

Yet another instance of crossing from "it doesn't happen" to "it does happen and it's a good thing".

 

[Yamamura]

I was just randomly thinking about how a lot of people compare lobotomy to transitioning when talking about how people will view transitioning in the future. And to be fair I've made this statement in the past as well; however I've started thinking, is this really an accurate comparison? I mean yes, on a superficial level it's an alright comparison if the only similarities are that they're both brutal medical procedures. But I feel like it not a completely detailed comparison that fully captures what it is. Similar to people comparing every example of government overreach to 1984.

Personally I think that we could move the comparison to something like Chinese foot binding because at least it has the similarities of it being a fashionable trend at the time and something that was electively done. But even that comparison is also somewhat weak as well because its not like back then if you made fun of people with binded feet you would get socially dragged for being bind-phobic.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I was just randomly thinking about how a lot of people compare lobotomy to transitioning when talking about how people will view transitioning in the future. And to be fair I've made this statement in the past as well; however I've started thinking, is this really an accurate comparison? I mean yes, on a superficial level it's an alright comparison if the only similarities are that they're both brutal medical procedures. But I feel like it not a completely detailed comparison that fully captures what it is. Similar to people comparing every example of government overreach to 1984.

As barbaric as lobotomies could be, the logic behind them was based on actual neuroscience. Gender affirming care is based on a vaguely defined belief that one was born in the wrong body. This is mind-body dualism, an idea that has no basis in science and is instead a rebranded form of Christian theology. So imo it's even dumber.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

I was just randomly thinking about how a lot of people compare lobotomy to transitioning when talking about how people will view transitioning in the future. And to be fair I've made this statement in the past as well; however I've started thinking, is this really an accurate comparison? I mean yes, on a superficial level it's an alright comparison if the only similarities are that they're both brutal medical procedures. But I feel like it not a completely detailed comparison that fully captures what it is.

I'd argue there isn't any social movement, medical procedure, or wacky religion from history that is comparable to transgenderism in every aspect. It's a brand new phenomenon that could only have come about in our current societal and technological climate - part medical malpractice, part spiritual belief, part social contagion spread by the Internet. (Emphasis on the Internet part. We're in uncharted territory when it comes to the effects of widespread online communication on people.)

On the other hand, I do think the comparison to lobotomy is useful because it demonstrates that there's no such thing as "settled science". Hell, the guy who invented the procedure won a Nobel Prize. Whether it was performed voluntarily or not is irrelevant in that regard.

 

[Wallace]

I'd argue there isn't any social movement, medical procedure, or wacky religion from history that is comparable to transgenderism in every aspect. It's a brand new phenomenon that could only have come about in our current societal and technological climate - part medical malpractice, part spiritual belief, part social contagion spread by the Internet. (Emphasis on the Internet part. We're in uncharted territory when it comes to the effects of widespread online communication on people.)

The closest thing I can think of is pediatric bipolar.

Back around 2008, the fad diagnosis for kids who were misbehaving was pediatric bipolar, never mind that it was ridiculously rare prior to the fad. Everyone wanted this diagnosis, it jumped like 4000% in a couple of years, and kids got out on massive doses of drugs that they did not fully understand, with disastrous results. The doctors who promoted this diagnosis were taking a few million from the drug companies. There was no apology or reckoning from the field of psychiatry for this fad. Even the guy who revised the DSM called it a fad. Also here.

 

[Maginot]

My go to check list for trans thinking is mostly that they want something they can't have as their normal gender as it were. If you are a horny dude that likes the female form but doesn't know how to make it work you get the dresden codak webcomic guy. He gets chastised for being horny about women where he draws a nude. He then transitions. His artistic project is now whatever, he is not more productive than before. It did not help him.

 

[Mad_Dog]

@Captain Confabulator
So affordable housing, fair wages, issues that won't benefit them personally or give them virtue-signalling points or a new costume to wear is off the table. But pointless cultural issues that won't really do anything for social inequality, won't inccur any costs to support and automatically gives you the "moral high ground"? Hell yeah. Trans issues fit the bill.

"Social justice is one of the most difficult of all virtues to practice, but the easiest to talk about because sometimes social justice is just a cover-up for individual justice, as it was in the case of David." - Venerable Fulton Sheen

Spoiler: David's case

David was out on his sun deck one day and saw in the opposite department, Bethsheba. He invited her over to see his etchings. Loved her not wisely, but too well, and she's found with child; the husband is at war. David sends for him, tells Uriah to go home to his wife so that he could blame paternity onto the husband. Uriah said, "I can't go home to my wife; we are at war."

David got him drunk, but still, he did not go home; he slept in David's front yard. Then he sent Uriah back to battle and said to the general, "Some are killed in battle; maybe Uriah will be killed." David had no sense whatsoever of guilt, until the day that Nathan came with a social problem.

He said, "There was a poor man who had one lamb, a neighbor, a rich neighbor killed that lamb to serve his friends." David said, "That man shall restore fourfold and shall pay with his life." Nathan said, "Thou art the man; you stole the lamb of Uriah."

Then he wrote, the "Miserere mei," and the guilt came out. Here, incidentally, is a warning to us about social justice.

Spoiler: Miserere mei

Have mercy upon me, O God: after Thy great goodness.
According to the multitude of Thy mercies, do away mine offences.
Wash me thoroughly from my wickedness: and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my faults: and my sin is ever before me.
Against Thee only have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that Thou mightest be justified in Thy saying, and clear when Thou art judged.
Behold, I was shapen in wickedness: and in sin hath my mother conceived me.
But lo, Thou requirest truth in the inward parts: and shalt make me to understand wisdom secretly.
Thou shalt purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Thou shalt wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Thou shalt make me hear of joy and gladness: that the bones which Thou hast broken may rejoice.
Turn Thy face from my sins: and put out all my misdeeds.

Make me a clean heart, O God: and renew a right spirit within me.
Cast me not away from Thy presence: and take not Thy Holy Spirit from me.
O give me the comfort of Thy help again: and stablish me with Thy free Spirit.
Then shall I teach Thy ways unto the wicked: and sinners shall be converted unto Thee.
Deliver me from blood-guiltiness, O God, Thou that art the God of my health: and my tongue shall sing of Thy righteousness.
Thou shalt open my lips, O Lord: and my mouth shall shew [show] Thy praise.
For Thou desirest no sacrifice, else would I give it Thee: but Thou delightest not in burnt-offerings.
The sacrifice of God is a troubled spirit: a broken and contrite heart, O God, shalt Thou not despise.
O be favourable and gracious unto Sion: build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Then shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifice of righteousness, with the burnt-offerings and oblations: then shall they offer young bullocks upon Thine altar.

I'm going to say that seeing all the autistic people who are trans has made me start being a self hating autistic person.Its just how can these people not understand sexist stereotypes and/or being GNC even when it was for one time?I've said before about how i'm kinda still in the south park fandom and noticed a lot of TIFs obsessed with the show.

They know cartoons aren't real, right?

I'd argue there isn't any social movement, medical procedure, or wacky religion from history that is comparable to transgenderism in every aspect. It's a brand new phenomenon that could only have come about in our current societal and technological climate - part medical malpractice, part spiritual belief, part social contagion spread by the Internet.

You missed "part consoomer culture." If it weren't for crony capitalism and consumer culture, none of this tranny shit could take off. Transgender ideology is literally the commodification of gender, just an other thing you can acquire with your precious money. Give it all to Dr Shekelberg, he has his your best interests at hand.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Do pooners get circumcision envy?

 

[kyskeff]

Do pooners get circumcision envy?

I would hazard a guess that African muslim ones do not.

 

[Jacques1194]

On the other hand, I do think the comparison to lobotomy is useful because it demonstrates that there's no such thing as "settled science". Hell, the guy who invented the procedure won a Nobel Prize. Whether it was performed voluntarily or not is irrelevant in that regard.

I've seen a lot of TRAs that are trying to rewrite history by claiming no scientist, or major medical establishment supported lobotomies.It was apparently something that no one consented to.This reminds me of the people who claim the medical establishment never claimed smoking had health benefits despite the fact that i can literally look up articles where tobacco companies in the 1930s had an army of doctors who were ready to debunk people who thought smoking would give you cancer.It seems like whenever the majority of scientists were wrong about something in the past that there's attempts to rewrite history, and claim the majority never really believed that by people who treat scientists as infallible humans who can never be wrong.

 

[kyskeff]

I've seen a lot of TRAs that are trying to rewrite history by claiming no scientist, or major medical establishment supported lobotomies.It was apparently something that no one consented to.This reminds me of the people who claim the medical establishment never claimed smoking had health benefits despite the fact that i can literally look up articles where tobacco companies in the 1930s had an army of doctors who were ready to debunk people who thought smoking would give you cancer.It seems like whenever the majority of scientists were wrong about something in the past that there's attempts to rewrite history, and claim the majority never really believed that by people who treat scientists as infallible humans who can never be wrong.

People generally did not consent to lobotomies. Science was always pretty split on that, even then. You're right with TRAs, but I don't know that lobotomies are the best example.

Still yet, the belief that we should blindly accept all scientific information is a damning preview of the world we're going to pass down to our children.

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

I had a thought the other day: MtF troons make a big deal over it (supposedly) not being gay for a straight man to have sex with them, even AGPs who are attracted to women. Contrapoints made a whole video about it. But...isn't that throwing gay men under the bus? Being perceived as gay is one of the worst fears of a lot of straight dudes, meanwhile the troons are over here claiming "No no no, you don't have to worry about being gay even if you suck my girldick."

Like, this isn't on the same level as lesbians being pressured to date/fuck troons, but still scummy.

 

[AMHOLIO]

If you are a horny dude that likes the female form but doesn't know how to make it work you get the dresden codak webcomic guy. He gets chastised for being horny about women where he draws a nude. He then transitions. His artistic project is now whatever, he is not more productive than before. It did not help him.

Holy shit, he transitioned? I don't know why I'm surprised, he had the perfect combination for it: transhumanist, women lover, pretentious, sjw femminst male... I thought he would go on to be pretentious through his whole lifetime as a man, but the troonism getting him makes more sense. Has he done any lolcow behavior or just switched names and at the same lolcalf behavior?

Like, this isn't on the same level as lesbians being pressured to date/fuck troons, but still scummy.

It's a great display of their actual selfish motivations. They don't care how everything else looks, they only care that they bent the rules far enough that it makes them right and more importantly CAN GET THEIR DICK WET. I remember people posting old trans community stuff on the farms, pre-2000s, and there was a huge emphasis on how they were NOT homosexuals, don't group us with those fags, we're just men who are superior women and it's straight for us no matter what. It's derived from their need for sex and arousal above all else, all ugly.