Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Despite only making up 14% of the tranny population, why are 99% of non-binary folx middle class white women in their teens or mid 20's?

non binary is just hetero when you can't say hetero anymore because its not cool to not be a genderspecial.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Did these people admit to incest?

 

[Jacques1194]

Did these people admit to incest?
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Damn for something that's not a social contagion what are the odds that both you,your partner,and your son troon out at the same time?

 

[AMHOLIO]

Damn for something that's not a social contagion what are the odds that both you,your partner,and your son troon out at the same time?

They're all goi g to the rapture, together.

 

[Hyperborean Fried Rice]

I was thinking about this after the news of F.L "Bubba" "Brittini Blaire" COPEland's suicide; but why is autogynophilia so common these days? It really feels like it is just exploding in recent years. And why does it have such a vice grip on these men's lives? Fetish can be very controlling and sometimes life ruining because it causes interpersonal and sexual dysfunction, like a sexual personality disorder, but no fetishist seems to really nuke their lives and live as enslaved to their fetish as the Autogynphile. Why?

We can blame internet porn but there is something very unique about the fetish. It seems to be particularly dominating and seductive. It consumes them.

 

[TruffleSpark]

We can blame internet porn but there is something very unique about the fetish. It seems to be particularly dominating and seductive. It consumes them.

Widespread availability of porn is definitely a big part of it. But you're right, it's odd, there doesn't seem to be any other fetish that takes over peoples lives as thoroughly as AGP does. Here's the twitter thread that was posted a few pages ago about how AGP is as much an addiction as anything else. Seems like as good of an explanation as we're going to get.

https://archive.md/GfWN9

 

[Pedophobe]

Like a lot of paraphilia I imagine it was something most people didn't realise they had because they didn't know it existed, until the Internet. It's probably not something that just appears fully-formed in a person either, but needs to be cultivated to develop into full-blown troonery which is a lot easier to do if you have a "supportive community" of freaks sharing their experiences and feelings on the World Wide Web than when you're all alone introspecting on frilly undies.

I do find the apparent strong correlation between AGPs and serial killers (who are also always animal abusers, pathological liars and serial rapers) fascinating though. I think there's probably something to that.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Widespread availability of porn is definitely a big part of it. But you're right, it's odd, there doesn't seem to be any other fetish that takes over peoples lives as thoroughly as AGP does. Here's the twitter thread that was posted a few pages ago about how AGP is as much an addiction as anything else. Seems like as good of an explanation as we're going to get.

https://archive.md/GfWN9

I think the most OCD addictions like this are:

• AGP
• Revealing yourself naked/exposure
• Shoe, panty and Bra collecting
• Taking creepshots
• Sexual Assault
• Pedophilia

These guys (and few women) are crazy enough to take their obsession to the next level, to the point they don't care as long as they don't get caught and prevented from doing it again. It would be a good idea to do a research paper on how these particular compulsions are more awful than others: I'm sure more minor fetishes that don't disrupt society (like cars and other things that can be done without involving the unwilling) can take over lives too. Perhaps it's a tendancy towards addiction, perhaps it's a compulsion that only gets worse unless not indulged, perhaps it unresolved mental issues and problems in life that cause them to try and run from it. It's likely a combo of factors and things we might not have figured out yet - the human mind is deep.

@Sailor Troon , I hope you don't mind the @, but do you have any deep thunk on it?

 

[Pecano]

I'm just thinking about how so many people coming out as trans is taken as proof that society is more accepting of differences than before. If anything imo it is the opposite, when I was a teenager in the 2000s you could just be a non gender conforming man or woman. It wasn't 100% accepted, you might still face some sort of discrimination, but it was mainstream enough that it wasn't too big of a deal. We might not be formally allowed to define what a man or a woman are anymore but societal views of gender roles seem to be about as strict as they've been since the 1950s. I feel like a lot of people who are coming out as trans, especially teenagers, would have been perfectly happy just being a man or woman in the 2000s.

But now gender non conformity has been pathologized, and people are being told that they need to "fix"themselves through medical intervention because it is no longer socially acceptable to call yourself a man or woman without playing along with the role that society says a man or woman needs to be in. The thing that really gets me is that it is mainly left wing people who are pushing this, these were the "pizza roles not gender roles" people 15 years ago who were the biggest advocates of accepting gender non conformity. They've done a complete 180 in what they believe and the worst part is they refuse to acknowledge this.

I've never understood how fast the "fuck gender roles" speak died off. Did I miss something? Even like six years ago I remember how anti gender roles people were. I mean, hardcore leftists saying this. Now unless you drink beer, have a ten foot beard and smell like a sewer, you MUST be a woman! And vice versa.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

but why is autogynophilia so common these days?

Its a combination of the 2000s counter culture fetishizing lesbianism especially political lesbianism spurred on by man hating, the radfem 2010s and associated stupidity and all the SJW shit which came out of the post 2014 world. Due to the nature of modern life and socialization and shit its easy for men of all ages even teenage boys to go "if nobody likes me and everybody likes lesbian shit, I might as well become a lesbian". People think its a bit more complicated cause you have exposure to porn and shit like that and it may as well be cause porn serves as a very good catalyst but its mostly that thought which arises, festers and grows to consume you.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Now unless you drink beer, have a ten foot beard and smell like a sewer, you MUST be a woman!

Even if you do/are those things, you can still be a woman, apparently.

 

[Space Police]

@Sailor Troon , I hope you don't mind the @, but do you have any deep thunk on it?

I think part of the reason AGP is so widespread nowadays is that it's a fetish that society has said is okay to publicly display and live out at all times. I also think it has to do with the fact that it's based around a complete change in identity, so it provides some escapism.

 

[powDURRpuff]

Even if you do/are those things, you can still be a woman, apparently.

Apparently the qualification is that, if you say you're a woman, you are one... full stop. No barrier to entry, no questions, no scrutinization at all.

It's all about manipulation and control. Trans cultists (and I make the distinction because I am actually trans) essentially use trans rhetoric as a way to force people to play by these super-narrow, impossible-to-follow, made-up rules. And, if you don't play by them, if you question them, if you even slip up and violate them in any way, they crucify you. That's their end goal - manipulation and control. They intentionally make the goal posts extremely difficult to hit so they can blast you for missing them.

 

[Baraadmirer]

I think part of the reason AGP is so widespread nowadays is that it's a fetish that society has said is okay to publicly display and live out at all times. I also think it has to do with the fact that it's based around a complete change in identity, so it provides some escapism.

It's also a low-effort method of being validated by others, so people with low self-esteem and narcissists latch onto it for clout.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Still yet, the belief that we should blindly accept all scientific information is a damning preview of the world we're going to pass down to our children.

The innate problem is that of the demanded unconditional infallibility of the "science". I don't trust the science, I trust the scientific method. It tells me that science is fallible, and that through further research and refinements we can improve.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I also think it has to do with the fact that it's based around a complete change in identity, so it provides some escapism.

Thanks. I think beint accepted as a public fetish gives a lot more exposure and go ahead to people to do it.

And this reminds me: other kiwis have remakred on how hard it is to leave town and change identities. We have too good of recordkeeping, you can't just open bank accounts not in you name, it's super hard to drop off the map without leaving the country, etc. Trooning is the cheapest way to run from your past without moving.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

but no fetishist seems to really nuke their lives and live as enslaved to their fetish as the Autogynphile. Why?

I presume because no other fetish has such a high correlation with narcissism? People with narcissistic personality disorders are absolutely bonkers and a menace to those around them - just look at Elliot Fong.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Name another fetish that immediately places the user on a publicly accepted rising scale of power.

Couple hundred years ago you had to hear the voice of God. Now any troon can ree and at a moment’s notice, the world bends to their will. It’s also a meme (using Dawkins’ definition of an idea that travels). The more troons gain headlines, the more troons we shall have.

 

[Hyperborean Fried Rice]

Name another fetish that immediately places the user on a publicly accepted rising scale of power.

Couple hundred years ago you had to hear the voice of God. Now any troon can ree and at a moment’s notice, the world bends to their will. It’s also a meme (using Dawkins’ definition of an idea that travels). The more troons gain headlines, the more troons we shall have.

I get what you're saying but I find it a bit reductive. Being a troon provides social power in certain political demographics for sure. But this doesn't explain the classic AGP conservative Troonbands like Bubba Cope and pretty much every single transwindow husband.
These men come from a place where being a tranny is not socially acceptable and doesn't give them "power" beyond their personal narc supply and the power they feel getting off on sexually humiliating women.
These men will risk everything. They destroy their families and abandon their children. Sure, they find "support" and acceptance from their fellow troons but that REALLY can't be worth a divorce and supervised custody. Bubba Copeland knew his house of cards might fall, but he did all this anyway. And when the house of cards fell, he shot himself. What is it about AGP that makes men so willing to really, truly risk it all?

 

[AMHOLIO]

What is it about AGP that makes men so willing to really, truly risk it all?

So a few things, please take the internet psych google research I did with a grain of salt:

• Psychology today and most psychs seem to agree that a cause is hard to understand but when it gets in the way of life it's truly detrimental. Anti-anxiety, depression, and testosterone suppressors are given sometimes, but long term therapy benefits patients the most.
• This post goes with the theory that the brain is taking the short way to pleasure, to the point the pathways from fetish to arousal for porn addiction are like little ruts carved out by walking every single day down the path. This makes sense and parallels addictions in other areas of the brain, and while there's no outside chemical dependency formed, it seems to be like gambling where thr brain sets its own rewards and rewrites structures around it.
• This article talks about the psychopathology of fetishism and possibly linking to body dysmorphic disorder.
• OCD and intrusive sexual thoughts are well documented. This is a pubmed article talking about them, and medical news today has a simple English post on it (OCD sexual thoughts bring up a lot of articles and treatment clinic sites). Brain structure, brain injuries, prior experience with addictions, PTSD, Bipolar, & anxiety are proposed as some causes. Shit impulse control can come from brain injuries to the frontal lobe, another well documented phenomenon. This is a cool article on BPD & ADHD and impulse control. IIRC the Amygdala also has a hand in brain rewarding development stuff too. The Cleveland Clinic gives a primer to hypersexuality here.

From what I gathered, it's someone's brain being underdeveloped, damaged, or rewired to only accept the paths and is related to other risky impulse behaviors. I wouldn't be surprised if the risk itself was a giant high for them, and for those burning their life down, having a constant state of turmoil is a source of adrenaline and that's addictive in it's own way, especially if your brain has a hard time reacting to pleasure normally.

I remember one user, I think @Slideshow Bill was talking about studying serial kilelrs in class and how fetishes like autogynophilia overlap with serial killing since it's possession of something ans extreme control (I am likely misremembering, I should just look for the post...). Serial killers also have a hard time regulating impulses so I wouldn't be surprised there.


TL;DR: literal underdeveloped or injured brain or bad pathways created lead to coom big or go home. It might be harder to understand from an outside perspective if someone doesn't have those tendencies or similar brain structure since there's actual stop signs & speedbumps in their brain still.