Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[DSHK]

It's mainly the socially-awkward and tomboyish ones that do. which pisses me off personally because they make up most of my dating pool From what I gather, they're not like MTFs who troon out thinking it'll put them on easy mode or hoping to live out a fetish (though there are some like this, e.g. the fujo-to-FTM pipeline), rather it's more peer pressure and "I don't look/act stereotypically feminine so I must not be a woman".

How do you meet those women these days?

 

[BirdUp]

Why in the hell would a woman troon out? They have it so good, especially these days. Why do they throw it all away?

(a) she's a coomer (b) to wear it as a badge or (c) because people duped her into thinking it'll solve her problems or the way she acts is a sign of trannyism

 

[AMHOLIO]

Why in the hell would a woman troon out? They have it so good, especially these days. Why do they throw it all away?

My suggestion is to read the thread befause multiple women have spoke on it, so it's a first hand account. Here's a quick bulletpoint list for you though:

• Trying to correct an inward problem and fit into a group since they always felt different due to likely inward problems connecting with others socially or mental differences, like anxiety, autism, adhd, general childhood trauma, etc..
• Black and white thinking on being a dude or a chick or a third category, usually in pursuit of finding an identity.
• Social clout online or in friend groups, most notably due to teenagers
• Puberty sucks and many stories have been written on how awful female and male puberty are, with female being an extra hard one since bleeding and being leered at by creeps. A lot of female trans are teens for a reason.
• Body dysmorphia, people with eating disorders are likely to overlap with trans people because it lets them trim more things and get retarded surgeries (see SRS thread)
• Terminal fanfic gay sex poisoning from the various female coomers.

Men and women both have a shit bag in life. We just have different shit given to us, both shit sucks in different ways. Trans men (female) are more likely able to find this out since they tend to pass better, trans women (men) do not because lol.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

How can we get people to realize troons aren’t just nice people who want to be left alone? They aren’t Blaire white types who were just unfortunately born in the wrong body. They’re deranged fetishists who hate women and would probably vote to make not sleeping with them a hate crime.

 

[AMHOLIO]

How can we get people to realize troons aren’t just nice people who want to be left alone? They aren’t Blaire white types who were just unfortunately born in the wrong body. They’re deranged fetishists who hate women and would probably vote to make not sleeping with them a hate crime.

Expose them to more troons in day to day life & news.

 

[deermeat]

IDK if I'm PLing too much but does is anyone else who are apart of the punk subculture feel rather isolated and lonely refusing to accept Gender Ideology? If you believe in troon culture, how does that make you punk? How can you be so ignorant in regards to literally every major corporation supporting your "cause"? You are the mainstream. You are the status quo. You identifying as labels isn't rebellion, it's conformity. It's more punk nowadays to not have dyed hair, to not have permanent tattoos nor actual piercings. Long live spiked collars, band tees, and dark apparel, but fuck off with the whole gender special mentality and far left ideology.

Spoiler: political sperging

Am I mistaken or wasn't a big part of punk subculture being rejecting the idea that political parties are a thing and that the system is rigged? It felt more rooted in extreme individualism than anything. Then again, what was considered liberal back then is now conservative today. I just hate how punk culture adopted the "new left" ideology because new left ideology is what punk culture was fighting against when it started- the concept of censorship and protecting free speech, as well as gay and women's rights. How could rejecting authoritarianism lead to worshiping it instead as long as its touted as "progressive"?

 

[athousandrustynails]

IDK if I'm PLing too much but does is anyone else who are apart of the punk subculture feel rather isolated and lonely refusing to accept Gender Ideology? If you believe in troon culture, how does that make you punk? How can you be so ignorant in regards to literally every major corporation supporting your "cause"? You are the mainstream. You are the status quo. You identifying as labels isn't rebellion, it's conformity. It's more punk nowadays to not have dyed hair, to not have permanent tattoos nor actual piercings. Long live spiked collars, band tees, and dark apparel, but fuck off with the whole gender special mentality and far left ideology.

Well since you specifically asked, is being punk not just kinda the same as being a tranny but without the medical butchery? Its aligning yourself with a group based in appearing in a certain way that signals what you believe in?

 

[deermeat]

Well since you specifically asked, is being punk not just kinda the same as being a tranny but without the medical butchery? Its aligning yourself with a group based in appearing in a certain way that signals what you believe in?

Well I gotta wonder, what's wrong with associating with people who believe in what you do? I'm not saying you gotta look a certain way to be punk, but it's very telling when you see people with dyed hair and tattoos say they're punk. while believing in Gender Idealogy, all because of their aesthetic. They think buying these outside things will buy their way into a subculture that's supposed to reject conformity and embrace individuality. That's why I brought up the whole aesthetic choices.
Sure back then a lot of what people in that subculture wore was very out-there, but that was because it was socially taboo to do so.- and you didn't have to look like that to "be punk". It really all comes down to music choice and shared beliefs. Now due to the mainstream, which trannies unironically follow, its simply a fashion statement surrounded by far left ideology. That's what Ive noticed anyway.

 

[athousandrustynails]

Well I gotta wonder, what's wrong with associating with people who believe in what you do? I'm not saying you gotta look a certain way to be punk, but it's very telling when you see people with dyed hair and tattoos say they're punk. while believing in Gender Idealogy, all because of their aesthetic. They think buying these outside things will buy their way into a subculture that's supposed to reject conformity and embrace individuality. That's why I brought up the whole aesthetic choices.
Sure back then a lot of what people in that subculture wore was very out-there, but that was because it was socially taboo to do so.- and you didn't have to look like that to "be punk". It really all comes down to music choice and shared beliefs. Now due to the mainstream, which trannies unironically follow, its simply a fashion statement surrounded by far left ideology. That's what Ive noticed anyway.

The human need for a tribe is definitely understandable. I don't think it's that wild to think punk would attract trannies though, because from their point of view they are about as counter culture as it gets. Also it seems like splitting hairs to moan about people "buying their way into" punk. As opposed to what? Ripping your own jeans? Idk punk seems like a think that was of its time and doesn't really translate into the modern day where everyone has weird haircuts and piercings and tattoos.

 

[Jonny Greenwood]

I'm surprised at how much MtFs outweigh FtMs in lolcowdom

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

I'm surprised at how much MtFs outweigh FtMs in lolcowdom

Almost as much as MtFs outweigh FtMs in real life.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I'm surprised at how much MtFs outweigh FtMs in lolcowdom

I suspect that's a little bit due to observer bias.

A lot of FtM lolcow activities are indistinguishable from/hidden in a feed full of tedious fandom drama.

Or not documented in public at all, just broken friend groups and private chats, visible only as vaguebooking from a dozen other women/semi-women.

Men are the sex more likely to do something loud and visibly stupid on public transportation and take photos of it themselves; women are the sex more likely to type walls of text online. Transition cannot fully change this.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

I suspect that's a little bit due to observer bias.

A lot of FtM lolcow activities are indistinguishable from/hidden in a feed full of tedious fandom drama.

Or not documented in public at all, just broken friend groups and private chats, visible only as vaguebooking from a dozen other women/semi-women.

Men are the sex more likely to do something loud and visibly stupid on public transportation and take photos of it themselves; women are the sex more likely to type walls of text online. Transition cannot fully change this.

Don't get me wrong, the MTFs are horrifying and absolutely deserve to have their nasty habits and perversions exposed in hopes that it'll cause the establishment types to freak out and drop the "trans rights" schtick, but there's just something special about the pooner brand of crazy. Though that's probably just coming from my own experiences witnessing the pooner uprising on Tumblr and seeing how much worse it's become over the years. Also there's something extra horrifying about the medical interventions they claim are going to alleviate their mental distress - there's something truly deranged about actively wanting massive scars on your chest and a croaky frog voice.

 

[Mariposa2.0 LTE]

Puberty sucks and many stories have been written on how awful female and male puberty are, with female being an extra hard one since bleeding and being leered at by creeps. A lot of female trans are teens for a reason.

Well, I feel bad for mrn. Having to be constantly horny until you die. It's literally 24 -7. Disgusting old men are like zombies but instead of brains they're after chyna.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Something that just came to mind - anyone else noticed the word games they like to play when it comes to how they define "trans"? I seem to be hearing more and more trying to define it as anyone who defies conventional expectations of gender or some such nonsense. It's not just about going from one to the other, it's transcending gender. That creep Jeffrey Marsh has definitely mentioned it at least once. They've been doing this for a while now, trying to rope in anyone who might fall outside the norm, and you see confused kids who don't know any better buying into it - classic cult behaviour.

And they'll use that same definition to justify truly weird shit like "xenogenders" and bearded men calling themselves lesbians and thinking they have a chance with women on dating apps looking for other women. I believe it's also what's led to some of the weirder surgical procedures like "salmacian" (creating the appearance of having both man parts and lady parts) and top surgery where they also remove the nipples because "men have nipples, women have nipples, I'm neither" as some TikToker who had that procedure done said.

 

[Jacques1194]

Something that just came to mind - anyone else noticed the word games they like to play when it comes to how they define "trans"? I seem to be hearing more and more trying to define it as anyone who defies conventional expectations of gender or some such nonsense. It's not just about going from one to the other, it's transcending gender. That creep Jeffrey Marsh has definitely mentioned it at least once. They've been doing this for a while now, trying to rope in anyone who might fall outside the norm, and you see confused kids who don't know any better buying into it - classic cult behaviour.

And they'll use that same definition to justify truly weird shit like "xenogenders" and bearded men calling themselves lesbians and thinking they have a chance with women on dating apps looking for other women. I believe it's also what's led to some of the weirder surgical procedures like "salmacian" (creating the appearance of having both man parts and lady parts) and top surgery where they also remove the nipples because "men have nipples, women have nipples, I'm neither" as some TikToker who had that procedure done said.

The word games they've been doing for a while.They claim there's a difference between sex and gender whenever someone brings up the "You can't change your sex." argument where they claim "We aren't changing our sex, were changing our gender.", but if that's the case, why get surgery to try and change your sex characteristics then?These people claim that genitals dont define gender, but they need these life alternating surgeries to survive?Which is it?As for xenogender, not one trans person has ever actually describe what exactly it's suppose to be.Hell go on any LGBT websites and it'll state this. " Xenogender is a nonbinary gender identity that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender; more concerned with crafting other methods of gender categorization and hierarchy such as those relating to animals, plants, or other creatures/things." If it cannot be contained by human understanding of gender then how the fuck would self identifying xenogenders know about it?Also, if its relating to animals,plants, or other creatures then does that mean the trans community now accepts trans species?I thought they claimed that comparing transgenders to trans species was transphobic?This whole confusion alone is why i feel nobody takes them seriously.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

As for xenogender, not one trans person has ever actually describe what exactly it's suppose to be.Hell go on any LGBT websites and it'll state this. " Xenogender is a nonbinary gender identity that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender; more concerned with crafting other methods of gender categorization and hierarchy such as those relating to animals, plants, or other creatures/things." If it cannot be contained by human understanding of gender then how the fuck would self identifying xenogenders know about it?Also, if its relating to animals,plants, or other creatures then does that mean the trans community now accepts trans species?I thought they claimed that comparing transgenders to trans species was transphobic?This whole confusion alone is why i feel nobody takes them seriously.

This is where it gets really dumb, they'll say it's simply a metaphor and not literally identifying as whatever creature/thing they're making a gender out of. When you think about it, seems to be little more than really liking a particular aesthetic, and since they've been so thoroughly groomed into the ideology these people can only think about it in terms of how it fits in with their wack ass beliefs. It really is as simple as them seeing something they like and going "this is my new gender". Also they seem to really like designing flags for these identities which probably also factors in, they see it as a creative outlet.

 

[Aunt Carol]

This is where it gets really dumb, they'll say it's simply a metaphor and not literally identifying as whatever creature/thing they're making a gender out of.

This is what happens when you tell impressionable children that they're not allowed to use the term "spirit animal," but "gender" can apply to anything and means every knee must bow.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Something that just came to mind - anyone else noticed the word games they like to play when it comes to how they define "trans"? I seem to be hearing more and more trying to define it as anyone who defies conventional expectations of gender or some such nonsense. It's not just about going from one to the other, it's transcending gender. That

Transgender truly is the enlightend knowledge so good that you'll cut your dick and your friend's dick off for it. To make anyone feel like enlighten, special, explained the mysteries of life to them, and why they're different in a good way is to capture them.

This whole confusion alone is why i feel nobody takes them seriously.

Ok, so, funny story: there's transgender infighting but they try really, REALLY hard not to say anything in front of normies or anyone who could get them cancled. Brianna Wu got shat on for this with his secret distatws for nonbinaries. These aren't always the case, you will very likely get one trans woman supporting bread gender unironically, but there's enough small groups with conflicting goals, like so:

• Binary (MtF and FtM) trans people want medical justification and insurance to cover their transition. Nonbinaries don't usually need it, so they're more likely to say "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" and "no body parts are gendered." This is secretly a big problem for FtMs and MtFs since this means that it makes people see them as less like the other gender and that all the make up and spinny skirts won't convince randos to gender you correctly - anyone can be a bloke or bird. That, and a portion of trans justification for being a real "man" or real "woman" is based on stereotypes or worse, fetishes. Females MUST do X to be female! You are aborting the system and making ME look bad!
• Not needing dysphoria to be trans can be hard on the troons who are aware enough to realize that they need to put SOMETHING down for insurance to cover surgery. For those who want surgery yet say there's no need for dysphoria, they're also likely the type who believe the government should give them free hormones and body mods on demand whenever possible.
• The "we don't need dysphoria or surgery" to be trans crowd hates the "trans is medical" crowd because the latter is gatekeeping the former from their kool kweer klub. These types are usually spoiled and postmodernist in some way.
• Some nonbinaries like other odd genders, some dislike things like "demi"girl/boy for being more half hearted than them. Nonbinaries who can get they/themed in public tend to dislike noungenders and xenogenders, they only like neutral or some sort of actual gender spectrum things. It's more legit in their minds to be a different gender than a different species or a wishy washy concept, and believe that xenogenders make everyone else look bad.
• Xenogenders are retards at the bottom of the barrel, usually children, and usually throw tantrums online but never IRL about not being taken seriously because cis people would bully the shit out of them. The best they can do is bully trans to try and include them.

Most trans people avoid saying ANYTHING negative about other trans people so they don't get crucified by the trans community. There are small private servers where a trans group of friends might shit on another type of trans they all dislike, but there usually isn't publi shit flinging.

Also they seem to really like designing flags for these identities which probably also factors in, they think they're expressing their creativity.

Teens, autists, and teen autists love creating symbols and emblems for themselves that declare who they are. It's natural that people started to make pride flags like those old Deviantart stamps or quiz results put on people's profiles to show who they were in an image.

 

[Jacques1194]

This is where it gets really dumb, they'll say it's simply a metaphor and not literally identifying as whatever creature/thing they're making a gender out of. When you think about it, seems to be little more than really liking a particular aesthetic, and since they've been so thoroughly groomed into the ideology these people can only think about it in terms of how it fits in with their wack ass beliefs. It really is as simple as them seeing something they like and going "this is my new gender". Also they seem to really like designing flags for these identities which probably also factors in, they see it as a creative outlet.

Yep, and every time someone calls them out on it they go back to saying "Gender is just a social construct.My xenogender identity is just me relating to non social norms of men and women.I don't deny my sex is female or male!" They say that and then turn around and get offended when you call them a biological female or male.

Ok, so, funny story: there's transgender infighting but they try really, REALLY hard not to say anything in front of normies or anyone who could get them cancled. Brianna Wu got shat on for this with his secret distatws for nonbinaries. These aren't always the case, you will very likely get one trans woman supporting bread gender unironically, but there's enough small groups with conflicting goals, like so:

What's sad is that if the people who actually have gender dysphoria kicked out the special gendered snowflakes who identified as anything, but male or female then there probably wouldn't be so much confusion, and people might of understood trans better.Honestly whether it was because they were desperate to increase their numbers or ironically the trans community themselves got hijacked by gender special teens, they made things more confusing to the point where like Drongo said, no one can define what trans is.