Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Joe Lieberman]

I recently started getting serious about lifting weights. I have a long history of getting into a hobby and my interest waning for whatever reason, but this seems like it's going to stick. I'm talking to a couple of friends about it pretty much every day, going to a gym where I'm learning how to do specific lifts, sticking to a plan and setting goals over the course of multiple months. As I've been doing research into certain things, I realized that many, many hobby spaces online have been totally taken over by trans people and making it about themselves. I didn't realize how bad it got until I got into a hobby that's unquestionably about making yourself better and not just consoooooming, like synthesizers or building PCs or whatever, haha.

 

[melty]

“well, obviously it’s real or people wouldn’t have a name for it and be talking about it and publishing papers about it.”

Well, obviously magic is real or people wouldn't have a name for it and write books about it.
Substitute magic with any nonsense belief, half the bookstore nowadays is stuff like astrology and crystals. Gender woowoo fits right in.

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This. Something I've felt missing in these conversations or that people don't understand is that a lot of successful people practice the law of attraction. They legitimately think they can do anything if they put their mind to it, and overcome any obstacles if they get enough people to believe in a cause. This kind of thinking, while delusional, also happens to create a lot of successful people who get into positions in media and other areas and push other magical thinking, like the idea that people can change sex if they really really want to. Because you can do anything, you are the god of your reality, so why not?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I recently started getting serious about lifting weights. I have a long history of getting into a hobby and my interest waning for whatever reason, but this seems like it's going to stick. I'm talking to a couple of friends about it pretty much every day, going to a gym where I'm learning how to do specific lifts, sticking to a plan and setting goals over the course of multiple months. As I've been doing research into certain things, I realized that many, many hobby spaces online have been totally taken over by trans people and making it about themselves. I didn't realize how bad it got until I got into a hobby that's unquestionably about making yourself better and not just consoooooming, like synthesizers or building PCs or whatever, haha.

Wait, are you basically saying that the few hobbies and social groups that troons don't hijack are the ones that are entirely about self-improvement and building character?

That's hilarious.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

This. Something I've felt missing in these conversations or that people don't understand is that a lot of successful people practice the law of attraction. They legitimately think they can do anything if they put their mind to it, and overcome any obstacles if they get enough people to believe in a cause. This kind of thinking, while delusional, also happens to create a lot of successful people who get into positions in media and other areas and push other magical thinking, like the idea that people can change sex if they really really want to. Because you can do anything, you are the god of your reality, so why not?

I genuinely believe that you can “make your own luck” through having a positive outlook. But that’s only part of the process. You have to follow it up through hard work, using your faith to drive you on, and to enable you to continue through setbacks. And if you cannot achieve your goal, to ask yourself what you can achieve.

Troons have the faith, but very few of them can actually follow through with the work to make it happen. Nor do they accept that truly becoming the opposite sex is impossible and figure out other ways they can be happy. Instead, they dream of becoming an anime princess, put the bare minimum of effort in, throw tantrums when they fail and berate people for pointing the reality out.

 

[Joe Lieberman]

Wait, are you basically saying that the few hobbies and social groups that troons don't hijack are the ones that are entirely about self-improvement and building character?

That's hilarious.

They can't bully their way into a field that's based around getting results if they don't have results to show. Imagine seeing a Jonathan Yaniv type pushing their way into a gym and being like "ackshully your squat form is awful and you not listening to me is problematic and transphobic and literally genocide".

 

[Wallace]

They can't bully their way into a field that's based around getting results if they don't have results to show. Imagine seeing a Jonathan Yaniv type pushing their way into a gym and being like "ackshully your squat form is awful and you not listening to me is problematic and transphobic and literally genocide".

Troonery runs into serious problems when it bumps into reality. Which is why so many troons and their enablers are doing their damndest to destroy reality.

 

[Captain Confabulator]

Troonery runs into serious problems when it bumps into reality. Which is why so many troons and their enablers are doing their damndest to destroy reality.

Literally:

 

[deermeat]

They can't bully their way into a field that's based around getting results if they don't have results to show. Imagine seeing a Jonathan Yaniv type pushing their way into a gym and being like "ackshully your squat form is awful and you not listening to me is problematic and transphobic and literally genocide".

I've literally never seen a single tranny in any self improvement circle nor making content about such. Personally, it's my favorite form of content. Frugality, finances, stoicism, strength training, study hacks, nutrition, addiction support, etc. Life changing, inherently beneficial advice that promotes gratitude and living below one's means by rejecting consumerism. Not one single tranny. I wonder why? Males you think why there is a psyop currently happening where that content is deemed "right wing', even though it's not political in any way.

The most I've seen trannies remotely near that field was with bodybuilding, aka the sphere where eating disorders and body dysmorphia thrive. If you need a quick reminder on "hey gender dsyphoria is a symtom of an illness, not an illness itself", look no further than all the troons who are bodybuilders. That alone should be a dead giveaway.

 

[Joe Lieberman]

Reading "Whole Again," a book about recovering from toxic/emotionally abusive relationships, and came across a pretty amazing passage on page 46 that I'm surprised isn't directly written about troons:

Cluster-B disordered individuals are incapable of attaching to other human beings, so they hone all of these other skills such as seduction, flattery, mirroring--all in an attempt to mimic what they see other people doing: loving each other. The problem is, they see "love" as receiving constant attention and adoration. This is what they give to you, and this is what they want to receive in return.

Imagine a dog who wants to be a cat, running around and trying to get everyone to tell him he's a cat. When they tell him he's a cat, he feels validated as a cat. He praises and rewards the people who call him a cat, grooming them to keep calling him a cat. But no matter how many people tell him he's a cat, he still looks in the mirror and sees a dog. He hates the dog. He cannot love the dog. He wants to be a cat. He blames everyone else for failing to convince him he's a cat, and finds another one hundred people to tell him he's a cat.

Do you see that no amount of your love or validation or sympathy will fix this issue?

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Males you think why there is a psyop currently happening where that content is deemed "right wing', even though it's not political in any way.

It's because of bootstrap theory. Righties see competition as natural and embrace heirarchies (individualism, everyone should have equal opportunity and some are just better in ability), lefties see compassion as natural and want to tear down heirarchies (collectivism, more people would be happier if we ignored ability and enforced equal outcome). So anyone that vaguely leans invidualist won't see that content as explicitly right wing (they may vet the content creator for questionable views hinted at in content/post history), but collectivists see it as helping an individual to improve their status in the heirarchy. Self-help has minimal effect on those that either cannot or will not provide for themselves (through legitimate disability or through excuses like racism/transphobia), it doesn't provide excuses for the shortcomings of the collectivist viewer, so the collectivist disregards that content as "right wing".

 

[Wallace]

I've literally never seen a single tranny in any self improvement circle nor making content about such. Personally, it's my favorite form of content. Frugality, finances, stoicism, strength training, study hacks, nutrition, addiction support, etc. Life changing, inherently beneficial advice that promotes gratitude and living below one's means by rejecting consumerism. Not one single tranny. I wonder why? Males you think why there is a psyop currently happening where that content is deemed "right wing', even though it's not political in any way.

It's because of bootstrap theory. Righties see competition as natural and embrace heirarchies (individualism, everyone should have equal opportunity and some are just better in ability), lefties see compassion as natural and want to tear down heirarchies (collectivism, more people would be happier if we ignored ability and enforced equal outcome). So anyone that vaguely leans invidualist won't see that content as explicitly right wing (they may vet the content creator for questionable views hinted at in content/post history), but collectivists see it as helping an individual to improve their status in the heirarchy. Self-help has minimal effect on those that either cannot or will not provide for themselves (through legitimate disability or through excuses like racism/transphobia), it doesn't provide excuses for the shortcomings of the collectivist viewer, so the collectivist disregards that content as "right wing".

Troons and progressives identify themselves, first and foremost, as victims. Victims of transphobia, patriarchy, white supremacy, capitalism, you name it. Self-improvement and equal opportunity are incompatible with victim mentality.

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

I think with most people it has a little more to do with a cognitive dissonance about self-acceptance and self-improvement. They admit they have mental health issues and self-hatred, and to an extent mental health for everyone means you have to accept yourself as you are. But they don't really know how to do this, so the human selfish, even hedonistic tendencies get out of control and brought to the forefront, and come out in the form of, "I don't need to fix ANYTHING about myself." (edit: It's black-and-white thinking. Many such cases in the present pop cultural and political landscape.) So yes, they're crazy and mentally ill (targeting the wrong things for self-improvment), just not in the way you're describing, and they kinda are victims of certain circumstances (lack of quality healthcare, neglect/abuse as a child) but not in the way they're claiming. Why they target the wrong things: social contagion, lack of relatable role models who are compassionate about the starting position, and also clothes and hair and these outer markers are faster and more obvious changes. Some people also believe that changing the outside will change the emotional inside. Yeah sure some people are just stupid assholes, but I don't think that's even close to the whole story. Pitiable more than anything.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Go back 30 years - where are all the troons?

It’s a mind virus spread via the physical (smart phones/broadband) and the mental (being online). Hardware and software.

Go back 30 years - where are all the diaper furries? The niche fetishists? The influencers, the K-pop stans, the e-whores?

And you get a free mind virus! You get a mind virus! Mind viruses for all!!!

It’s getting worse now because kids are warping their brains online earlier. You see those parents pushing their baby with a phone in its hand? Fucking child neglect right there. No point having a child if you can’t raise it without the help of a phone screen. And now these groomed kids are abusing others.

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/10/children-now-biggest-perpetrators-of-sexual-abuse-against-children

 

[Joe Lieberman]

Go back 30 years - where are all the troons?

It’s a mind virus spread via the physical (smart phones/broadband) and the mental (being online). Hardware and software.

Go back 30 years - where are all the diaper furries? The niche fetishists? The influencers, the K-pop stans, the e-whores?

There were trans people 30 years ago. They were extremely rare and most of them spent a lot of time setting up their lives to try to be "stealth" and fully passing. Most of them knew that they had a rare/fringe situation and went out of their way to not make it other peoples' problems. Around this time there were also well-known trans "icons" like Marsha P. Johnson, Sylvia Rivera, etc., who were further out on the fringes of society because they had other severe mental illnesses and/or drug problems.

I've had this conversation with a number of friends - in my opinion, most of the type of extremely online/subcultural trans people we see today would have compartmentalized their gender expression by cross dressing at a midnight screening of Rocky Horror or whatever, and that would be the extent of it.

 

[Joe Lieberman]

I think with most people it has a little more to do with a cognitive dissonance about self-acceptance and self-improvement. They admit they have mental health issues and self-hatred, and to an extent mental health for everyone means you have to accept yourself as you are. But they don't really know how to do this, so the human selfish, even hedonistic tendencies get out of control and brought to the forefront, and come out in the form of, "I don't need to fix ANYTHING about myself." (edit: It's black-and-white thinking. Many such cases in the present pop cultural and political landscape.) So yes, they're crazy and mentally ill (targeting the wrong things for self-improvment), just not in the way you're describing, and they kinda are victims of certain circumstances (lack of quality healthcare, neglect/abuse as a child) but not in the way they're claiming. Why they target the wrong things: social contagion, lack of relatable role models who are compassionate about the starting position, and also clothes and hair and these outer markers are faster and more obvious changes. Some people also believe that changing the outside will change the emotional inside. Yeah sure some people are just stupid assholes, but I don't think that's even close to the whole story. Pitiable more than anything.

Totally, this type of thinking also trickles down into a lot of different aspects of society these days. Look at the "fat acceptance" / "health at any size" movement, where goyslop producers like Mondelez are hiring nutritionists to cherry-pick information on nutrition to say that "no food is unhealthy". In turn, individuals who develop social media followings (who may or may not be on the payroll of these companies) expand on that to say "encouraging people to lose weight is bad because not everyone can lose weight," "encouraging people to exercise is bad because it's ableist," and keep escalating until the aggrieved party accuses of you of literally trying to genocide them and everyone like them.

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

keep escalating until the aggrieved party accuses of you of literally trying to genocide them and everyone like them.

I almost mentioned that in my post! I think this modern wokeness thing is kind of a Church of Overcorrections, where they start with something true and reasonable (ok, from my liberal perspective - as usual, if you're really conservative or whatever, that's a different disagreement we have), and swing as hard in the opposite direction as possible. Weight loss takes time, for many it's a whole bunch of new skills to learn, chiefly learning patience and discipline at all, and self-hate sabotages that for most people sooner or later. So you gotta want to get healthy for your own self and seeing yourself as worth it, and in the meantime, do some other things that are immediately good for your health (At Any Size...), like going for walks outside and drinking water. On top of that, there is an industry around weight loss that preys on consumers for profit, when in actuality the most effective weight loss tools cost time and effort, not money. And this gets stopped in its tracks at the first couple steps and twisted into a belief that obesity has no negative effect on health, because "Well I'm fat and still get my 1000 hours outside." Bio sex shouldn't determine every aspect of your life and appearance and identity -> turns into the dumpster fire that is "the trans community." I could go on for days about this in every type of social justice.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I have been thinking about the linguistic aspect of troon ideology recently. If I say gender isn’t real, in response I always get (irl at least) something like, “well, obviously it’s real or people wouldn’t have a name for it and be talking about it and publishing papers about it.” But they can never point to how it exists as distinct from sex, the best they can do is refer to other people insisting upon its existence. They can only point to the language being real. The idea of the gender spectrum was introduced, was assumed to have meaning and a slew of people decided they had to figure out their place in this new framework. And yet, these people who experience gender aren’t experiencing anything I can understand or relate to, when that shared understanding is how words have meaning at all. Instead of starting with the feeling and giving it a word, it’s like people start with the word and work backwards to find the feeling. As if it’s a creation of language that has taken on a life of its own, rather than something innate to the human mind given language.

It’s a bizarre phenomenon where by simply naming something you can manifest it almost tulpa-like into the public consciousness. Is there a term for this? Manipulating language to give legitimacy to nonsense concepts? I really don’t have the vocabulary to properly get at this and would like to read more.

Edited for some rephrasing.

Controlling language is absolutely essential for troon ideology. The only way that a man can become a woman is by redefining what the word "woman" means. The only way a man can get a period is by defining a period as something other than the shedding of the uterine lining. If they lose control of words the whole thing falls apart. Which is why they work so hard to make sure people are only using words in the way they approve of.

 

[The Ugly One]

There were trans people 30 years ago. They were extremely rare and most of them spent a lot of time setting up their lives to try to be "stealth" and fully passing.

Nah, most of them just kept their cross-dressing fetish in the closet and never tried to LARP as the opposite sex full time.

 

[TruffleSpark]

another tumblr post I am using as a substitute for coming up with observations of my own:

Spoiler: text

Revolting sex based cults have existed since antiquity (For example the Cult of Dionysus or that Etruscan tomb with art depicting a BDSM themed threesome).

The things that make the trans cult unique and the fastest growing in recent history can be summarized:

1: While previously (most) cults manifested in the upper echelons of society our civilization gives them the insurance/taxpayer dollars needed to partake in the cult, therefore making it so all but the most downtrodden can join the trans cult if they are converted.

2: trans people, most notably trans women, are worshipped by the culture at large and are allowed to do just about anything they want to those who ruin the party by not validating their fetish. This attracts power hungry narcissists who want to be worshipped by those around them and able play the hero by assaulting anyone labelled a blasphemer, or in this case, transphobes.

3: It is being actively encouraged by the ruling caste. Sure there were sex based cults in the past that were open to the public but those were almost always fringe groups that could have been ignored by the rest of the citizenry should they want to do so. This meanwhile is actively recruiting new members through a relentless propoganda campaign on a scale no historical society could have ever imagined.

In addition this is largely linked to the rise of porn. PORN. Porn use used to be shamed by nearly everyone, until the internet ushered in an era of free instant porn in the privacy of one’s own home. Religion becoming less popular in the west is also relevant. I’m not saying any religion is true, the point is the west in general, and USA specifically are highly individualist cultures. Religious meetings gave people community. People left religions (good!) but the community was not replaced with anything.

Humans are communal by nature. We crave belonging and a group to be a part of. This is why so much TRA rhetoric resembles religion, namely Christianity (don’t ask questions, trans women gave you rights=Jesus died for your sins, etc).
TRAs have replaced traditional religion in their lives with this cult, which is why it is called a cult in the first place. Had they been a part of an alternate system most of them would never have considered castrating themselves while crossdressing to fight off encroaching feelings of existential dread.

 

[Quack_Quack]

I recently started getting serious about lifting weights. I have a long history of getting into a hobby and my interest waning for whatever reason, but this seems like it's going to stick. I'm talking to a couple of friends about it pretty much every day, going to a gym where I'm learning how to do specific lifts, sticking to a plan and setting goals over the course of multiple months. As I've been doing research into certain things, I realized that many, many hobby spaces online have been totally taken over by trans people and making it about themselves. I didn't realize how bad it got until I got into a hobby that's unquestionably about making yourself better and not just consoooooming, like synthesizers or building PCs or whatever, haha.

They can't bully their way into a field that's based around getting results if they don't have results to show. Imagine seeing a Jonathan Yaniv type pushing their way into a gym and being like "ackshully your squat form is awful and you not listening to me is problematic and transphobic and literally genocide".

I knit. I knit a lot. And I'm really fucking good at it and always trying to push myself.

In the fibre-related hobby communities I'm in, it's overwhelmingly feminine. That's not to say men or troons don't knit, but the usual trans people I see are FTM and don't use it to prop up their identities...