Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[teriyakiburns]

This might be a little too spergy of an idea, but I think there should be a thread compiling everything that counters this argument of "it doesnt affect you personally, does nothing negative to your life"
I know there's already a lot of threads including the losing people to transgenderism and things that troons ruined threads, but I'm thinking on a more general listing of everything transgenderism does that does in fact affect non-trans people

I think it could be a productive thread.

The most obvious would be medical-related issues, where diagnoses that used to be fairly straightforward are being made needlessly more difficult and complicated in order to avoid offending trannies. Language being deliberately fucked with to make things "gender neutral" (in a degrading and offensive way to anyone with a brain) is also directly affecting everyone who isn't trans. There's bound to be a lot more.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I confirm deadnames through elderly relatives' obits regularly. Obits have been routinely published online for about 20 years now, and no one is going back to edit the names of the grandkids. But I do it often enough, I'm wondering if it's only a matter of time before someone starts retconning there too. AI will make it cheaper and easier to do.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

So, there is a phenomenon in the deaf 'community' where they actually hate hearing implants because it means they're no longer special. They even liken it to genocide because it's erasing their 'culture'.

In a hypothetical scenario where you could become an actual man or an actual woman with zero side effects or downsides, what impact do you think that would have on troons? Do you think there would be a similar backlash to such a procedure? While the urge to coom to the fantasy of being a man/woman is incredibly strong, there would be a lot of screeching too. No longer is transgenderism a heroic struggle against fate, but a completely meaningless, ineffective and retarded way to achieve the transformation (which it already is).

I think support for the movement wouldn't vanish over night, but I can imagine that the constant flow of affirmation and political support for them would gradually fade. The diehard hons and pooners would still cling to the grift because losing it would erase what makes them special. The distinction of being trans seems to be more important than actually becoming the thing they want to be.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

In a hypothetical scenario where you could become an actual man or an actual woman with zero side effects or downsides, what impact do you think that would have on troons?

The distinction of being trans seems to be more important than actually becoming the thing they want to be.

no doubt they'd come up with yet another field to plow. Don't forget furries, "fae", "transabled" etc., & straight-up pedos exist.

If "trans" was no longer a special status, they'd just start whacking off on some other "oppressed" identity: "I AM FURRY/FAE/TRANSABLED/MAP, MY COMMUNITY DEMANDS ACCOMMODATIONS, OPPRESSION IS CAUSING US TO OFF OURSELVES" blahbitty blah blah etc.

Grift is grift, these useless worthless fucks will always come up with something.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

no doubt they'd come up with yet another field to plow. Don't forget furries, "fae", "transabled" etc., & straight-up pedos exist.

If "trans" was no longer a special status, they'd just start whacking off on some other "oppressed" identity: "I AM FURRY/FAE/TRANSABLED/MAP, MY COMMUNITY DEMANDS ACCOMMODATIONS, OPPRESSION IS CAUSING US TO OFF OURSELVES" blahbitty blah blah etc.

Grift is grift, these useless worthless fucks will always come up with something.

Yeah, you're right. The problem with them goes far deeper than trooning out. They're narcissists looking for an easy way to force their will on other people. If they can no longer bully others as a troon, they'll just shed their skin and wear something else.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

there should be a thread compiling everything that counters this argument of "it doesnt affect you personally, does nothing negative to your life"

It's really very simple:

Anytime I personally encounter some faggot in a dress or some pooner in man's clothes demanding to be called the sex they aren't and threatening my livelihood/social status if I don't comply, I am negatively affected.

I shouldn't be forcibly compelled to parrot lies about human biology as a result of fascist political policies established by the violent lobbying tactics of the mentally ill.

 

[bouquetnine]

So, there is a phenomenon in the deaf 'community' where they actually hate hearing implants because it means they're no longer special. They even liken it to genocide because it's erasing their 'culture'.

In a hypothetical scenario where you could become an actual man or an actual woman with zero side effects or downsides, what impact do you think that would have on troons? Do you think there would be a similar backlash to such a procedure? While the urge to coom to the fantasy of being a man/woman is incredibly strong, there would be a lot of screeching too. No longer is transgenderism a heroic struggle against fate, but a completely meaningless, ineffective and retarded way to achieve the transformation (which it already is).

I think support for the movement wouldn't vanish over night, but I can imagine that the constant flow of affirmation and political support for them would gradually fade. The diehard hons and pooners would still cling to the grift because losing it would erase what makes them special. The distinction of being trans seems to be more important than actually becoming the thing they want to be.

What if any flavor of LGBT could be cured with a simple medical treatment? US military experimented with a "Gay bomb", what if there was an opposite version?

I've heard accounts of people turning straight after taking dewormers or when given extra testosterone. Imagine if the rainbow brigade stopped screeching about "conversion therapy" and we studied and cured faggotry.

 

[Baraadmirer]

So, there is a phenomenon in the deaf 'community' where they actually hate hearing implants because it means they're no longer special. They even liken it to genocide because it's erasing their 'culture'.

In a hypothetical scenario where you could become an actual man or an actual woman with zero side effects or downsides, what impact do you think that would have on troons? Do you think there would be a similar backlash to such a procedure? While the urge to coom to the fantasy of being a man/woman is incredibly strong, there would be a lot of screeching too. No longer is transgenderism a heroic struggle against fate, but a completely meaningless, ineffective and retarded way to achieve the transformation (which it already is).

I think support for the movement wouldn't vanish over night, but I can imagine that the constant flow of affirmation and political support for them would gradually fade. The diehard hons and pooners would still cling to the grift because losing it would erase what makes them special. The distinction of being trans seems to be more important than actually becoming the thing they want to be.

I predict different responses. For people who actually suffer from gender dysphoria and don't make a huge deal out of their incongruence it'd be a godsend, as they would stop fixating on perceived bodily flaws and move on with their life. Meanwhile, everyone else screeching about being victims would lose out on becoming an oppressed minority as such a procedure would render the whole concept of being trans moot; they'll find something new to latch onto that allows them to be disadvantaged without expending virtually any effort at all. Yesteryear it was being gay/bi, currently it's being trans or <insert current beleagured nation not in North America>, and in the future another mental disorder might take the forefront, like "DID".

The smart diehards will quietly pretend they never transitioned in the first place, because if they continue with the grift they'd get people asking rightly, "Well, why haven't you taken the procedure that isn't costly yet? Aren't you just being lazy?"

 

[Aunt Carol]

If "trans" was no longer a special status, they'd just start whacking off on some other "oppressed" identity: "I AM FURRY/FAE/TRANSABLED/MAP, MY COMMUNITY DEMANDS ACCOMMODATIONS, OPPRESSION IS CAUSING US TO OFF OURSELVES"

Maybe "nonbinary" is future-proofing the trans movement.

LGB activism floundered after they had equal rights and marriage, and the old lobbying and money-farming mechanism grabbed "trans" as a neighboring "cause" rather than downsize or look overseas.

In old-fashioned, "binary trans," you have a theoretical endgame for each individual transperson. In theory, a man looks and sounds so much like a woman that nobody ever questions it, his paperwork is in order, and all of that soothes his mental anguish. If someone invents the Invert Gender Ray, it takes a week for every FtM and MtF to reach that state; done.

With nonbinary, there's no appearance goal. No biological appearance to emulate, no amount of beard-and-lipstick will have people correctly guessing which specific Tumblr identity the person has. The nonbinary person will always, always have friction, even if they look how they want to look. They'll always be able to farm oppression points from not having their preferred third gender become immediately a part of Western culture, back-dated. And so will the organizations that lobby for them and sell them flag pins.

 

[bouquetnine]

LGB activism floundered after they had equal rights and marriage, and the old lobbying and money-farming mechanism grabbed "trans" as a neighboring "cause" rather than downsize or look overseas.

This is the problem with activists and crusaders. Once they win they look for the next battle. Post revolution governments often execute these people despite being the tools that got them into power precisely because they are a liability and a threat to stability.

Trying to teach the lessons of history is "fascist" so they don't want to listen. Oh well. I guess we are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Jacques1194]

So, there is a phenomenon in the deaf 'community' where they actually hate hearing implants because it means they're no longer special. They even liken it to genocide because it's erasing their 'culture'.

In a hypothetical scenario where you could become an actual man or an actual woman with zero side effects or downsides, what impact do you think that would have on troons? Do you think there would be a similar backlash to such a procedure? While the urge to coom to the fantasy of being a man/woman is incredibly strong, there would be a lot of screeching too. No longer is transgenderism a heroic struggle against fate, but a completely meaningless, ineffective and retarded way to achieve the transformation (which it already is).

I think support for the movement wouldn't vanish over night, but I can imagine that the constant flow of affirmation and political support for them would gradually fade. The diehard hons and pooners would still cling to the grift because losing it would erase what makes them special. The distinction of being trans seems to be more important than actually becoming the thing they want to be.

I remember asking this question from troons and saying if there was a way to treat gender dysphoria or rewiring their "lady brain" to match their sex then would they do it, and they said no. They claimed that its wrong to take away someone's "desires" and compared it to taking away someone's desired career choice. Its a very weird comparison because some kid wanting to be an astronaut for example isn't the same as a boy wanting to be a girl. The kid who wants to be an astronaut can actually be one and even if he fails to become one he wont demand society to change in order for it to be real. A boy wanting to be a girl is asking for something that's impossible, but troons encourage this behavior under the delusion that one day the technology will be there for it to be a reality.

 

[Wallace]

I remember asking this question from troons and saying if there was a way to treat gender dysphoria or rewiring their "lady brain" to match their sex then would they do it, and they said no. They claimed that its wrong to take away someone's "desires" and compared it to taking away someone's desired career choice. Its a very weird comparison because some kid wanting to be an astronaut for example isn't the same as a boy wanting to be a girl. The kid who wants to be an astronaut can actually be one and even if he fails to become one he wont demand society to change in order for it to be real. A boy wanting to be a girl is asking for something that's impossible, but troons encourage this behavior under the delusion that one day the technology will be there for it to be a reality.

Because they don't want to be women. They want to be the center of attention and have the moral license to bully others into getting their way. Same as any narcissist's false self.

 

[deermeat]

because it's erasing their 'culture'.

Ohh boy. This shit makes me MATI. Or well, maybe not mad but rather annoyed because it's a phenomenon that's seen in regards to various disabilities.

Spoiler: long MATI ramble

Obviously when it comes to any fatty spewing this sentiment, it can be written off as an obvious illness faker which is annoying in its own right. But when it comes to disability, of course anyone can be disabled. Anyone with any personality. Being disabled sucks, it is severely isolating. I love when progressives only ever focus on non-issues like race or troonery when it comes to oppression/discrimination in the west as physical disability is never talked about even among a group trying to preach "diversity" and "inclusion" unless used as a gotcha moment or an identity to hide in, such as HAES.Literally every single progressive I've ever met, without fail. was discriminatory toward my physical disability. It's ironic how we are still invisible within a community supposed to uplift minorities. Disabled people are the most oppressed, vulnerable group in the entire world. With any other minority (such as race, religion, gender), there's option where they can just simply move into a more accepting area or be born into an area that's accepting thus making the discrimination conditional based on those around them. But with disability, not only can it be physically limiting in a way that isnt anyones fault, it is so varied that even those with other disabilities can be abliest/not understanding. It is in our human nature to be wary of those who are different. Unlike with other minorities who can find solace in their own communities and their identity not having to be a negative thing, disability is inherently negative and there's rarely ever a community to take solace in without the effects of the disability being diverse in nature. Not every deaf person is the same, not every blind person is the same, not every paralyzed person is the same, etc. I don't believe oppression = victim, unlike what progressives are pushing. Oppression just means you have less rights than the average person, or your rights are often ignored/exploited in a way where not many notice or care to address. You are inherently going to have to work harder than the average person but that doesn't mean you have to be a victim, if that makes sense. And like with any kind of discrimination, raising awareness is good but it won't ever make discrimation go away because it's in our human nature. It's why you shouldn't throw a fit whenever someone makes a rude remark or whatever because most of the time, they're not being malicious. They're just being ignorant. It's like if someone is a certain race and only ever associated with that race their whole life, then suddenly they meet someone whos a different race. They're not automatically a bad person for being standoffish, it's in our natural biology to be wary of anyone outside of the group. If someone is born into a community that hates women, well guess what they're naturally going to have those same beliefs if those beliefs are never challenged. A lot of abuse victims don't know they are being abused until they are told whats happening is abuse.

So on one hand. I can SEE why they'd latch onto that mindset in regards to claiming to have a certain culture. It has more emotional appeal than say a black person clinging onto hood shit as apart of their "culture" because "oh my great great grandfather used to be a slave!". But it's still horribly stupid and at worse it is self destructive.
This is a problem with disabilities. I see it most in regards to autists acting like being a functional adult is somehow oppressive and that society should just cater to their childish behavior. They hate the concept of autism being "cured" as if theres nothing wrong with them. As if them being born like that just makes them special, a unique breed of human as opposed to a disability.
What bothers me most about this, especially in regards to physical disabilities, is that these people DO end up trying to get in the way of advancement of science and technology that could aid in potentially curing/or treating those with these conditions. There's also an element of grooming involved, unintentional or not, where it discourages those with these disabilities to seek out treatment that will ultimately improve their life. For stuff like Autism, there's actually a lot of science out there that could help save lives. There's evidence out there to suggest Autism is actually a gut disorder. But since it suggests "fixing" autistic people, it gets buried. Of course, having a history where people tried literally torturing those with that condition as a way to "fixing" it doesn't help either, it's a sore subject. But going the opposite direction and implying there's nothing to be fixed isn't the solution.

Anyways, I watched half of TurkeyTom's newest video about Bluefolf and the way he approaches pronouns struck me as odd. He starts off misgendering them when talking about their history pre troon, then "correctly" gendering them upon the part where they transition. I guess it kinda makes sense, but why bother correctly gendering them at all? Troons hate TurkeyTom. Troons hate anyone in relation to those types of Youtubers, so it baffles me how they still try to use their proffered pronouns. It's embarrassing how they go from acting like an edgelord then folding as soon as a troon enters the picture, no matter how degenerate and outright disgusting the troon is. You are sucking the toes of people similar to Chris Chan.
When will these people realize they are acting like cucks by using the "correct" pronouns? Need I remind you, they are scared of the backlash from people who look like this:


It's not even like they're likely to be demonetized for misgendering someone either.
TT isn't exactly known for being authentic, he's a poser. But still. I see it all the time with edgier creators.
It's truly humilating on their end. All I can picture is them stuttering when faced with a troon, the troon goes "you will respect my pronouns" and them being like "yes, m-ma'am" with their heads low while the troon smirks. You're letting yourself be dominated.

 

[and I must scream]

This might be a little too spergy of an idea, but I think there should be a thread compiling everything that counters this argument of "it doesnt affect you personally, does nothing negative to your life"
I know there's already a lot of threads including the losing people to transgenderism and things that troons ruined threads, but I'm thinking on a more general listing of everything transgenderism does that does in fact affect non-trans people

I'd say, even before we talk about how it effects us personally (and it does), just the question/argument itself is disingenuous.

I want to ask them back:

What do you care about the so-called "genocide" in Gaza? It doesn't effect you personally. Most of you never even met a single Palestinian. So why do you care?

If you are white - and most of you are - what do you care about POC? Why do you care about black people? It doesn't effect you personally. Why do you chant Black Lives Matter, what's it to you?

If all public schools start teaching creationism instead of evolution, you'd object, wouldn't you? Why do you care? It's not you getting these lessons. So what do you care?

I care first and foremost because I live in this world. You are not the only people on this planet who actually care about other people, about the state of the world, about injustice, about human rights, about the future of our society. I know you think you do, because you think you are morally superior and the ones who hold the only right and just opinions and stances, and that the other side is just stupid, evil people who just want to see trans people suffer because they are evil and bigots. I'm sorry to tell you this, but that's just not true.

I care about males in women's sports, because it's unfair and can even be dangerous to the women.

I care about males in women's prisons, because I think this is simply inhumane to put males, many of whom are locked up because of acts of sexual violence, with a very vulnerable population of women. And if you say "they are prisoners, they did bad stuff, what do you care what happen to them?" I'll have to ask what do you care about the TIM inmate, that you insist he will be in women's prisons instead of the men's? What, for his safety? Comfort? It might trigger his gender dysphoria? So? He is a prisoner, he did bad stuff, what do you care?
Also, yes, I actually do care about women locked up in prisons being sexually assaulted, raped and possibly getting pregnant as a result. Believe it or not, I care.

I care about males in women's shelters for the same reasons.

I care about minor girls and so many young women who chop off their healthy breasts and go on cross-sex hormones that are very bad for their health. I care about a generation of young females mutilating themselves and destroying their health, yeah.

I care about children who are being put on puberty blockers, then on cross-sex hormones. This is an horrific abuse the devil himself would shy of. They are doing unbelievable harm to these kids, we don't even know the full extent of this harm, the full implications. The closest I could think of is putting a child through cancer treatments (chemotherapy and radiotherapy) that destroys their gonads and human growth hormone (HGH) for no reason, then when they finish with it give them some artificial HGH and sex hormones (the sex hormones are for life). I know someone like that (who did have cancer, of course). Trust me, it isn't like natural puberty at all.

I care about science. I care about the truth. I care that so many vulnerable people getting a "treatment" that not only does not help them, but also harm them.

And so on, and so on.


Honestly, I think it comes down to the fact that they think they are the moral ones and we are just evil. Only they care, only they feel, only they are smart enough to understand, the other side? They are just dumb, brainwashed, bigoted and evil and they just want trans people to suffer, just cause.

They always deny our genuine care and concern. "You don't really care about kids, you just hate trans people"; "You don't care about teenager girls and young women, you just hate trans people"; "You don't really care about women in prison, you just hate trans people! You never cared about women in prison before", etc. They deny our humanity, our feelings, our care and empathy for other people.

That's the funny part: They say we don't see them as humans, but they don't see us as humans. The say we are the brainwashed, while they are the brainwashed ones. They say we don't understand science, meanwhile they don't believe sex is binary and think you can change sex just by taking cross-sex hormones. They mock Christians for believing in "sky daddy", meanwhile they believe in somethin that is not scientific ("gender identity") and cannot be scientific (if you can't measure something in any way, how can you prove that exists?) as if it's a natural, scientific, undeniable truth. And that's just a few of the many, many, many ways this movement is a gaslighting, twisted thing. I have never seen a movement/ideology/ etc. that is so much the opposite of what they claim to be as the trans movement.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

If some stranger kid you don't even know does not get their blockers, how does it affect you personally? (They started with this line of argumentation...)

And what's up with all your grifting for ''lifesaving'' gender surgery? Are your zippertits really more important than endangered lives of genocided children in Gaza, shouldn't THEY get all the bucks you e-beg?

(Also, did you notice, that since Palestine became important again, all the bullying because of trigger & content warnings (or lack thereof) stopped being a thing? Spamming disturbing imagery of spent human shields in completely unrelated tags for everyone to see doesn't need any spoilering and blurring, apparently.
Anyway, this topic is that important for them, BECAUSE it doesn't affect them personally, because it's on the other side of the world and there's nothing they can do with that. Like any other slackactivism, it means extremely easily gained virtue points & maybe spending some dollars from parents on charity, but no actual effort and work.
And maybe caring about things far away is a form of coping with the fact that their lives spiraled out of control, they ruined their bodies beyond repair and due to social isolation and/or shitty health they have no power on anything around them.)

 

[missnaptime]

If some stranger kid you don't even know does not get their blockers, how does it affect you personally? (They started with this line of argumentation...)

And what's up with all your grifting for ''lifesaving'' gender surgery? Are your zippertits really more important than endangered lives of genocided children in Gaza, shouldn't THEY get all the bucks you e-beg?

(Also, did you notice, that since Palestine became important again, all the bullying because of trigger & content warnings (or lack thereof) stopped being a thing? Spamming disturbing imagery of spent human shields in completely unrelated tags for everyone to see doesn't need any spoilering and blurring, apparently.
Anyway, this topic is that important for them, BECAUSE it doesn't affect them personally, because it's on the other side of the world and there's nothing they can do with that. Like any other slackactivism, it means extremely easily gained virtue points & maybe spending some dollars from parents on charity, but no actual effort and work.
And maybe caring about things far away is a form of coping with the fact that their lives spiraled out of control, they ruined their bodies beyond repair and due to social isolation and/or shitty health they have no power on anything around them.)

if they can co-opt a political and social narrative to get them e-bucks for their troon implants, they'll do it, even if there's far better of a choice for people's attention to be focused on. it's always 'me me me' with them. its not about being right, its not about caring about anyone's disagreement being affected personally or not - its about delegitimising any sort of opposition to their vulgarity and demanding their perverse integration at the expense of others (financially, socially, politically).

and if you even whisper that it's fucked, that maybe we should pump the brakes, that hey, 'maybe we should slow down and make sure safeguarding for the mentally ill and vulnerable is in place' you then have to reap the consequences of social, cultural and general ostracism that they have enforced by infiltrating every community people care about. they consider troonism to be liberation of their soul and the realisation of their 'truest self' like playing with genital lego or playing dress to impress with their outward appearance and fucking trying to ascend to nirvana a-la buddhism.

i know for a fact a few troons in some of the peripheries of my circles are on kiwifarms. they're absolutely everywhere. they're a symbiote of society that leeches off anything, done with good intentions to support the most vulnerable in society, or otherwise in periphery cesspits; and nearly all of them are chronically online. i started going to kickboxing classes. they're apparently supposed to have women only timeslots. a troon kicked off that he wasn't allowed to come to the women only timeslots - despite kickboxing literally being a contact sport where you learn how to beat the shit into one another.

lol. lmao. ecks dee, even.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Troon voices is a topic that's always puzzled me.

So a guy troons out, then typically he'll put on this new, higher-pitched voice that he obviously thinks makes him sound more female. We'll ignore the fact that this is just adhering to stereotypes of what a woman is expected to sound like......

What I don't get is, are they basically putting this voice on for the rest of their life? Like, if they stub their toe, do they sometimes go "oh fuck!" in their real male voice, cos it comes out without them really thinking about it?

I asked about it once on Reddit and I got one reply saying it was like getting a drastically different new haircut, where it just takes time to get used to before becoming your "new norm", but before I could reply to say that that didn't really answer my question, my thread was deleted and I was banned.

For example, do you think if you put on a fake accent, if you kept it up for long enough, it would eventually become natural for you to speak that way? Cos I really don't think it would.

Also, do you think troons speak in their normal voices when nobody else is around, or, if they get into a troon on troon relationship? Do they feel the need to keep up the pretence when it's 2 blokes together? lol. Or when they're talking to their pet?

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

Random thought about they/it therians and otherkin who use their, as I call it, "animal mode" as a way to signify some sort of mental regression.

Is it just me or these people manage to insult and dehumanize both themselves and animals they claim to be, if such thing as dehumanizing an animal even exists...? I don't know how to explain this. Sure, our pets aren't as capable as we are. They also depend on us to live. But it's still a fully grown, mature individual of its own species.

I enjoy memes where animals are shown to be retards who are kind of like humans but dumber (read, "below"), but they're just memes. Associating your psychotic and often fetishistic mental regression with becoming an animal is legit both insulting towards yourself and the animal. A cat, for example, doesn't have a mental capacity of an obese retard on artificial hormones, it has a mental capacity of a cat. Cats also aren't porn addicts, last I checked. I'm also thinking right now how cats seem to have a concept of being belittled too, grabbing it by a scruff can not only be painful, but also literally offend them since it means you're treating them like kittens. Wonder what a cat would have thought if there was a way to tell it that some ugly mentally ill fatty tells everyone she's a cat when she acts like an utter degenerate.

 

[Cemetery Support]

how does this affect you personally?

It has affected me, it has affected my friends, it has strained my relationships, and it has fucked over countless women and permanently damaged countless naive children.. "How does this affect you personally?" It has crammed it's way into every single fucking facet of our lives and it will not, for the love of god, shut the fuck up.
Plus, you just called me a bitch! What the fuck, man?
I just want to be left alone for the love of god

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I fell asleep while reading the Farms and woke up kind of disoriented. I looked at the thread I had been reading, where some troon was going on estrogen and spreading it as a gel on his ballsack. And before my brain could update and remember that we are now living in Clown World, I thought WTF isn't it going to really fuck a guy up to do that? You can't just do that to people.

Well. Here we are.

Troon voices is a topic that's always puzzled me.

It baffles me why FTMs don't try to train their voices down, they just rely on T for everything. Women can do fake low voices same as men can do fake high ones. It doesn't sound great, but it sounds less stupid than Kermit.

There's a troon "greeter" at a big box store here. Every time I go in the entrance where he's stationed he says "Haiiii" in this extremely thin, strained gay little falsetto. Made me involuntarily flinch the first time, and subsequent times if I forgot to prepare for it. It's like a jumpscare. Sounds more like an animal squawk than a human voice.