Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Jacques1194]

Transgenderism and transitioning is a band-aid solution for a reason: a lot of those "awkward questions" and "unpalatable answers" involves questioning things that social progressives have taken for granted for decades.

We'd have to question things like whether it really was a good idea for society to have loose restrictions on pornography, whether sticking up for the pornographer's or hentai artist's right to "free expression" really was a hill worth dying on.

Or whether gay marriage really was a good idea or whether it was only done to make a small of group of sexually dysfunctional adults shut the fuck up (it didn't, lmao)

Or whether the sexual revolution really was a good idea, and not an absolute disaster for society.

Or whether it was really a good idea to remove peoples' sense of purpose and identity by denigrating religion and nationalism, even healthy nationalism.

For people who are whole-heartedly devoted to social progressivism, it's much easier to butcher people and feel righteous for it than ever admit that those foggy old conservatives had a point the whole time.

This right here. At this point, I really believe the left's support for transgenderism is just "sunk cost" fallacy. Neither side wants to admit whenever they are wrong, and for the left to admit that maybe trans rights aren't the same as the other civil rights causes they've backed is basically suicide. I think if they ever did question transgender ideology it would cause a chain reaction like above. Maybe not to an average progressive, but to someone that's a fence sitter it would be "If they're wrong about x then could they also be wrong about y? " So we have either two options that they left will do, they'll either double down on trans rights (especially if Kamala wins) or (if Trump wins) I can see quietly pretend like they never supported trans rights and act like it was all a right wing conspiracy to make them look bad.

 

[Thiletonomics]

The recent SJSU Women's Volleyball Team troon happenings made me wonder about what sports troons decide to play in, and why? Obviously you have troons going into wrestling and MMA to beat up biological women, but indoor volleyball also stands out as another example. There have been numerous incidents of troon volleyball players spiking the ball at opponent's heads, even to the point of causing brain injury, but if troons were to play volleyball to do only that, wouldn't they have gotten to the point that entire teams would be injured by one? The only other thing why I think troons play volleyball specifically is because of the more revealing uniforms in the past, but all of those uniforms were phased out 20+ years ago, and most of those troon volleyball players weren't even born when those outfits were a thing, so they must have had to specifically looked them up:



Also, troons haven't swarmed beach volleyball yet, despite the uniforms show as much skin as possible, because troons would stick out like a sore thumb, they would kill off the viewership of events, and troons probably don't have the stamina needed to play a full beach volleyball match, because some people think that the game is easy to play:



However, troons have become more and more commonplace in Track and Field events, which do still have the same revealing uniforms:



Are there any other standout sports that come to mind that troons have flocked to play specifically?

 

[deermeat]

I know one of the reasons why pooners poon is because they want to be seen as special. Ie being a "femboy" is more celebrated than being a regular feminine woman.

But there's this one archetype that a lot of pooners and theyfabs flock to: the soft boi aesthetic. More specifically, the one that is like a mix between cottagecore and vaporwave. It's vaporwave with a cottagecore hue. Nintendo Animal Crossing, Lo Fi, Pokemon, vests, beanies, Minecraft, hoodies, etc. I hope you know what I mean. There's the edgier soft boi aesthetic and then there's this, where theres not an edgy bone in their body. Its soft but in a masculine way.

Why is that? Unlike women being feminine, this aesthetic is hardly ever seen with regular women. I have only ever seen pooners identify with this aesthetic. Even women within the gaming circles, they present themselves as more feminne with pinks or a feminine appearance. Its one of those aesthetics where youd geniuely stand out more being a woman who adapts it.
Same with early 2010s YOLOswag.

Spoiler: images

I think it's telling how most pooners refuse to devulge into any traditionally masculine aesthetics, unless it csn br used to paint themselves as feminine.
I thnk its crazy how even when I was a poon, I was STILL excluded by women (pooner) for not being feminine enough lol

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I know one of the reasons why pooners poon is because they want to be seen as special. Ie being a "femboy" is more celebrated than being a regular feminine woman.

But there's this one archetype that a lot of pooners and theyfabs flock to: the soft boi aesthetic. More specifically, the one that is like a mix between cottagecore and vaporwave. It's vaporwave with a cottagecore hue. Nintendo Animal Crossing, Lo Fi, Pokemon, vests, beanies, Minecraft, hoodies, etc. I hope you know what I mean. There's the edgier soft boi aesthetic and then there's this, where theres not an edgy bone in their body. Its soft but in a masculine way.

Why is that? Unlike women being feminine, this aesthetic is hardly ever seen with regular women. I have only ever seen pooners identify with this aesthetic.

Good observations and some of this I also noticed.

I think a lot of pooner and female enbyism is about wanting to be "just a person" and not "put in a box"- they see that adult women and men are supposed to consider the needs of others, shoulder responsibilities, be a team player on whatever kind of teams, and they don't want anything to do that. They want to be a quirky uwu special little girl. They know they can't stay a little girl, so they try to become a genderblob instead. At least it isn't being a man or being a woman, both of which come with expectations and requirements (ie, being able to fulfill basic work duties and not be an asshole to your loved ones) that they don't feel up to.

 

[Weebtard]

Good observations and some of this I also noticed.

I think a lot of pooner and female enbyism is about wanting to be "just a person" and not "put in a box"- they see that adult women and men are supposed to consider the needs of others, shoulder responsibilities, be a team player on whatever kind of teams, and they don't want anything to do that. They want to be a quirky uwu special little girl. They know they can't stay a little girl, so they try to become a genderblob instead. At least it isn't being a man or being a woman, both of which come with expectations and requirements (ie, being able to fulfill basic work duties and not be an asshole to your loved ones) that they don't feel up to.

To add to this: A lot of pooners already start out failing at some aspect of femininity. looks: they're fat, they're not pretty, they cant do their makeup or they were never taught to, they can't dress for shit, they are scared of the unsavorier aspects of being a woman like attention from creeps (common experience for most women), etc.

personality and/or behavior: they can't really grasp many social games women play with each other. an example from hoe math would be the whole "OMG GIRLS WE'RE ALL SUPER PRETTY PRINCESSES. TOTAL 10s!". They don't know girls never mean it when they call their fatter, uglier friend dressed like a drag queen wearing a choker for her non-existent neck "a 10" (and they will talk shit behind her back). They haven't been socialized enough to understand the complexity of social female dynamics. Some might not have caught onto the fact girls don't really... mean what they say. She doesn't want to know if you and chad are friends: she wants to know if you're interested in chad or if you two have already fucked. she doesn't care about where you got your bag, she wants to know how socially advantageous you are for her. she doesn't think "you're really prety!", she wants to know "oh, you THINK you're really pretty". And if you are pretty she just wants to keep you close because a beautiful woman/girl is not only a status symbol for men, but also for the women who are her friends (this mostly applies to a lot of young female social dynamics however).

I am not calling them tomboys because I find saying all TIFs are tomboys misses the point. Tomboys don't go out of their way to fuck with these rules and are their own person: Some pooners just failed at all or most of the things I mentioned above. They think, subconsciously, they can't be "women". keep up with the looks maintance expected of a woman, develop a subtler womanly perspective, and yes: social responsibilities and dynamics between men and women.

A lot of pooners, specially nowadays, arent the TIFs of old who were "tomboys" who were introduced to the concept of transgenderism early into their development or were victims of sexual violence who think, if they make themselves uglier and less womanly-looking (no breasts, no curves, no long hair, no makeup, body hair and ghastly beards), they'll dodge sex criminals. A lot of pooners, I've noticed, are just unfeminine (again, not saying tomboyish for a reason) girls and young women who would rather fuck out of womanhood because they're psychologically stunted, lazy, and could never bother to put in the effort (like trannies are just unmasculine guys who became the girlfriend).

I don't think they don't want to be put into a box: again, lots of girls and women SAY something they don't completely mean (she doesnt want to eat whatever, she wants you to guess correctly). They want to be put in a box of their choosing: the softboi aesthetic, vapor wave, cottagecore, or whatever will allow them to act like insufferable babies who can skip a shift because of their feelings the longest.

And it is important to mention that unlike trannies, TIFs have a fear of womanhood: they don't want to do what is expected of women: care for others, understand people's emotions, put effort into their looks because beauty is women's social resource and has been since THE FUCKING DAWN OF HUMANITY, etc.

They hold an infantile view of manhood too. they confuse men and women's differences and think "well men can do whatever!". no we cannot. we still have to care for others, we still have to be mindful, we have social responsibilities, emotional responsibilities to fulfill, and we're also expected to bring home the bacon. Their view of manhood is, in my opinion, the same one fast-food redpillers like faggot and almost baby daddy to a yacht girl, the pimp brotherhood, and mudshark cumdump with a fat fetish hold. Their view of manhood's not developed past: man want, man take, man fuck, man roid. In this aspect, as stupid as it might seem, them and pooners coincide. Pooners don't know what mature masculinity is because first: women don't know men's inner world and second of all, they are already stunted which means their idea of masculinity/femininity is still stuck at "they're a performance" instead of "they're a performance based on biological drives which affect our general behavior and that doesnt mean every man and woman is the same". They think that to be a woman is to become a brainless emotional thot because they don't know the value femininity holds that goes far-past the idea of "submission" or whatever.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I am not calling them tomboys because I find saying all TIFs are tomboys misses the point.

Basically, they're stunted womenchilds, much like how troons are stunted manchildren. They would be feminine but in the nerdy aspect of feminine, like scrapbooking, sewing, writing, and bookclubs. They tend to fall under the childish aspects rather than say a woman who runs a farm with her family, or a woman who enjoys a lot of hiking & jogging.

They think that to be a woman is to become a brainless emotional thot because they don't know the value femininity holds that goes far-past the idea of "submission" or whatever.

Or their mom, who they may or may not see as weak/awful, or just don't want responsiblity of their mother. I think there are men and women who should never be parents and that's not a bad thing, it just prevents potential children from being neglected. Even then, you can grow up to be a contributing member of society instead of a submissive housewife or trophy thot.

I wouldn't be surprised if these women also think of option C: the perfect modern woman. Someone who gets the best grades, gets a great job, looks like a model with a STEM degree, pulls in lots of money, always makes the right choices, a tough warrior for social justice, and bonus points if lesbian or has a boyfriend and is pet mom. They conceptualize "girl power!" and super feminism as this high standard they cannot obtain. Women are perfect, but they themselves as women are not perfect, so self loathing ensues and going to poon or nonbianary is a load off the shoulders.

Whatever it is, these women usually hate themselves and have a bad concept of "existing as you are AND improving yourself when possible". The two thoughts don't cross, they become contradictory in their minds when they don't need to be. They're stunted, and some will just never change because they can't or don't want to.

Their view of manhood's not developed past: man want, man take, man fuck, man roid.

If their parents had a lousy relationship with each other or if the parents treated the woman (+sister(s)) and her brother(s) differently, I can see where they get it from. And I mean that in the understanding but not supporting them way. The older you get, the more people you meet and the more ways of living you learn. It's up to them to not take the idea that men are manchildren who are ALLOWED and tolerated for playing video games, watching sports, and eating tendies all day as a given, they need to learn not to live like that. It can be hard if you're mentally unwell to change views, but not going too far medically in or socially into something is a good start.

 

[Jacques1194]

This ovarit user has an interesting theory as to why male doctors perform surgeries on TIMs. Basically, her theory is that maybe the reason these male doctors support transitioning and these surgeries is because it makes these men infertile which means less men to compete with for reproductive success. We know for a fact that most TIMs are straight men with a lesbian fetish, so they would not only bother women who wont ever have any interest in them, but also remove themselves from the gene pool once they get the chop. Honestly, I have herd of some men who do in fact act like they support gay people as long as its not one of their own offspring who turns out gay. So it wouldn't surprise me if maybe some men support gender transitioning because it weeds out some of the competition.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Im just gonna leave an observation.
the difference between trans people and men and women who don't conform to stereotypical gender roles (tomboys/butches and crossdressers/feminine men) is that normal people who just don't conform do it just because they want to.

For women is not to be more masculine, usually tomboys like things like masculine clothes, short hair and general vibe because it is comfortable or it is cool, for men can be aesthetics and for some clothing like dresses and skirts it can be more comfortable than wearing pants, but the goal is never "i want to be more masculine/feminine" for GNC people they might be masculine or feminine but its just that the things they like just happen to be more masculine and feminine, but to a tomboy wearing short hair, doing hard manual work, wearing baggy clothing doesn't make her less of a woman, and a man that likes to wear dresses, long hair and "feminine" hobbies like sewing doesn't make him less of a man and they're both ok with that. To them is just finding comfort in one self and things they like happen to be stereotypically masculine or feminine

Transgenders (specially TIMs) on the other hand use the gender roles as a checklist of things they gotta do to be more close to their desired gender, wearing dresses is only exclusive to girls, wearing one makes you one, having short hair is a boy thing, having short hair makes you a man.
If i want to be a girl i gotta wear make up, and i need to wear skirts, and i need to like pink. If i want to be a man i need to have sort hair, wear hoodies and play videogames (although i notice TIFs are usually not as exagerated as TIMs)
They dont happen to like these things, is their goal to like them in order to be more like a man or a woman (or at least what they think a man or a woman is, which is usually very far from reality)

 

[AMHOLIO]

(although i notice TIFs are usually not as exagerated as TIMs)

TiMs are usually more sexual in nature and need the props as a fetish. The autistic ones might have it in them that it's a rigid category thing to do it.

TiFs can do it sexually too, but remember, a lot of pooners read gay porn for women by women, so the concept of a dream man can differ greatly from one to another. The woman writing men means a pooner might be more into a bishie/softboi too than a manly man. The TiFs who cling to their packers to feel manly are always weird and hilarious in their insecurity, warding it away with their penis totem.

TiFs also tend to just not want to be women, just something else. Some are in the mental mindset that woman is derogatory or a standard they can't obtain, so they choose other and go for that instead. It makes little sense but its a thing.

 

[TruffleSpark]

throwback to when "women are female" was considered such a self-evident statement that merely saying it was comical

 

[deermeat]

women were always as sexual as men, and as degenerate. maybe a little bit less degenerate as a lot of the major weird gross kink stuff is male dominated. but still as degenerate.

theres plenty of photos online of womens apparel out in public, songs written, movies, etc of women being openly sexual the same way men are. Like Im talking REAL raunchy ass degeneracy.

pooners arent more horny because of T, not all of these women are on it. theyre horny because theyre a horny women.
this is actually something that would bother me. Straight women can talk about how much they love dick openly, joke about putting holes in condoms, and comment on mens bodies. But God forbid youre a lesbian lol because that makes you sex obsessed, apparently.

look at college girls though, look at ghetto women, look at trailer trash. they rival their male counterparts.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

pooners arent more horny because of T, not all of these women are on it. theyre horny because theyre a horny women.

I have something of a theory that pooners become more sexually explicit when they poon out regardless of them being on HRT or not, mainly because is a lot more normalized for men to be more explicitly sexual than women so they think that to be more manly they need to be hornier or something. Like yes, women are just as horny as men, but socially women are more represed than men as is a lot more normal to tell women to be more modest and less explicit with sexual themes

 

[seri0us]

Tolerating homosexuality was a mistake.

 

[YWNBAM]

I have something of a theory that pooners become more sexually explicit when they poon out regardless of them being on HRT or not, mainly because is a lot more normalized for men to be more explicitly sexual than women so they think that to be more manly they need to be hornier or something. Like yes, women are just as horny as men, but socially women are more represed than men as is a lot more normal to tell women to be more modest and less explicit with sexual themes

I have always seen the problem the other way round. Usually it's the closeted, shabbily dressed men that make no effort at all to present themselves in a sexually appealing way to the female gaze, who suddenly turn to very revealing outfits and behaviour the moment they troon out.

Stereotypically, the female sex is seen as explicitly sexual. This is reflected in fashion and cultures around the world. Insert meme men = normal and boring, women = hot and special. Therefore, MtFs may subconsciously feel that the only way they can be expressive, beautiful or sexual is by appealing to the male gaze.

But I agree that the same is true for pooners. In both cases the main element is shame. It's shameful for a man to act like a woman, and it's shameful for a woman to act like a "slut" (which, because of the stereotype described, can in some ways be synonymous with being female). Both feel that if they were of the opposite sex, they would face less pressure and judgement for being openly sexual.

But the thing is, you can't win by playing along with misogyny. You just end up ruining your body and cutting off healthy organs for a mental image in your brain that other people have put into you.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

personality and/or behavior: they can't really grasp many social games women play with each other. an example from hoe math would be the whole "OMG GIRLS WE'RE ALL SUPER PRETTY PRINCESSES. TOTAL 10s!". They don't know girls never mean it when they call their fatter, uglier friend dressed like a drag queen wearing a choker for her non-existent neck "a 10" (and they will talk shit behind her back). They haven't been socialized enough to understand the complexity of social female dynamics. Some might not have caught onto the fact girls don't really... mean what they say. She doesn't want to know if you and chad are friends: she wants to know if you're interested in chad or if you two have already fucked. she doesn't care about where you got your bag, she wants to know how socially advantageous you are for her. she doesn't think "you're really prety!", she wants to know "oh, you THINK you're really pretty". And if you are pretty she just wants to keep you close because a beautiful woman/girl is not only a status symbol for men, but also for the women who are her friends (this mostly applies to a lot of young female social dynamics however).

The day I figured out that women can use compliments as an insult and I have been repeatedly insulted by one for a month it changed my life for the worse.

Even then, you can grow up to be a contributing member of society instead of a submissive housewife or trophy thot.

I wish everyone is strong enough in the head to rise past their wounds, but let's be honest, half already failed out the gate.

And it is important to mention that unlike trannies, TIFs have a fear of womanhood: they don't want to do what is expected of women: care for others, understand people's emotions, put effort into their looks because beauty is women's social resource and has been since THE FUCKING DAWN OF HUMANITY, etc.

It's retarded. You can't expect every woman to accept their roles in 2024 where they can get a job to feed themselves. I refused to do it. I refused to poon out either. I know there's consequences to not conforming, but sometimes you need to have a spine.

 

[AMHOLIO]

It's retarded. You can't expect every woman to accept their roles in 2024 where they can get a job to feed themselves. I refused to do it. I refused to poon out either.

At the very least, women don't have to put effort into looks unless they want to. People say once you become a mother of however many kids you can stop caring, but really, who fucking cares. Just like men, women can choose to be hygienic & not dress lile a slob unless they are on their day off. My personal rule is you shouldn't smell bad and you shouldn't be dressed in depressionware for your own sake, it just helps you feel more confident and put more into yourself. I think Weebtard was saying it's socially adventageous and we should take the opportunity to do it since we have it, but that's his opinion since social advantage is valuable. I can't put words in his mouth though.

Meanwhile, care for others and understanding people's emotions is a basic trait of humanity. A man's mom whom he loves is in the hospital. Is he not expected to visit? Is he not expected to help pay and take care of her if she needs it? Men also can have wives and children, and he is expected to provide for them because he cares about them. Men need to understand other people's emotions too: if a man's child comes up to him crying, what does he do? Always pass it off to mom? If a man's friend is having a hard time, does he not offer to take him out for a beer or to the gym? He can't be captain autismo 24/7.

These are functions of being a basic adult in society. Ignoring others or always living for yourself can be destrucitive and hurt both men and women in the long run. Women are still providers and laborers as are men, and neither of us have to start a family or fit into other's molds to be good people and part of a functioning society. There are some people who should never be parents, there are some women who should never be therapists period, and there are some men who shouldn't be on thr worksite period, never forget. A woman who stays single and does a good job at her workplace and treats her friends and family nice is still welcomed in society as long as she's not an asshole, just like men.

On a side note, make sure you don't put emotional needs on women you don't know well. They don't know you, you can't expect them to be your therapist, be kind to others.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

My personal rule is you shouldn't smell bad and you shouldn't be dressed in depressionware for your own sake, it just helps you feel more confident and put more into yourself.

The standards around here must be low if not putting effort into yourself means not bathing instead of not wearing makeup.

 

[Weebtard]

At the very least, women don't have to put effort into looks unless they want to. People say once you become a mother of however many kids you can stop caring, but really, who fucking cares. Just like men, women can choose to be hygienic & not dress lile a slob unless they are on their day off. My personal rule is you shouldn't smell bad and you shouldn't be dressed in depressionware for your own sake, it just helps you feel more confident and put more into yourself. I think Weebtard was saying it's socially adventageous and we should take the opportunity to do it since we have it, but that's his opinion since social advantage is valuable. I can't put words in his mouth though.

Meanwhile, care for others and understanding people's emotions is a basic trait of humanity. A man's mom whom he loves is in the hospital. Is he not expected to visit? Is he not expected to help pay and take care of her if she needs it? Men also can have wives and children, and he is expected to provide for them because he cares about them. Men need to understand other people's emotions too: if a man's child comes up to him crying, what does he do? Always pass it off to mom? If a man's friend is having a hard time, does he not offer to take him out for a beer or to the gym? He can't be captain autismo 24/7.

These are functions of being a basic adult in society. Ignoring others or always living for yourself can be destrucitive and hurt both men and women in the long run. Women are still providers and laborers as are men, and neither of us have to start a family or fit into other's molds to be good people and part of a functioning society. There are some people who should never be parents, there are some women who should never be therapists period, and there are some men who shouldn't be on thr worksite period, never forget. A woman who stays single and does a good job at her workplace and treats her friends and family nice is still welcomed in society as long as she's not an asshole, just like men.

On a side note, make sure you don't put emotional needs on women you don't know well. They don't know you, you can't expect them to be your therapist, be kind to others.

That's what I meant, yes: By putting effort into your looks I dont mean to go to the supermarket in a gown and a full face of makeup. You can dress tomboyish, not wear makeup, and still be putting effort into your looks (being hygienic, wearing clothes your size, and wearing what you like while still keeping in mind whether it looks good or not). When I say "not conforming to society's expectations" I don't mean that if you dont have kids and a partner you're useless: What I mean is that you need to fulfill your responsibilities to others. Do you owe someone 5 bucks? you pay them. is your BEST FRIEND/child/parent/cousin you like/sibling sad and showing trust by confiding in you? you attend to their emotional needs and listen (not hear) to them. You can be a woman and a construction worker and still be accepted, fit into society, and conform as long as you ARE (not ACT) a kind person. this means you listen to others, put yourself in their shoes, and TRY (we aren't perfect and thats fine) to understand where they're coming from. Not adhering to societal standards, TO ME, means not being mindful of others (regardless of sex) and acting on your own in a negative manner. There's a huge difference between: my boy-friend cried because someone at work told him he's a useless sack of shit who should kill himself VS someone I dont know is trauma-dumping on me with the expectation to care. The former, because you've bonded with this person, no matter your sex, you should understand and listen. the latter is some retard zoomer who thinks making friends is all about baring your darkest and deepest secrets from your mental abyss into others via force.


And yes, it is socially advantageous to look good, clean/hygienic, not like a slob, etc. when I was chubby people didnt treat me bad per se but I certainly got more attention and people gave me time to talk to them (about fucking whatever like philosophy or some book I was reading at the time) when I started working out more and dressing better (I've always been one to care for personal hygiene when with others). Specially for women: You dont need to be a pretty princess like Bar Rafaeli, Scarlett Johansson, have the body of sydney sweeny, or be Venus' human form... but looking clean, adhering to some social expectations of beauty like having a healthy body; clean hair, and shaving/waxing/(whatever) your face will take you places. with other women, specially. I have heard other women shittalk their uglier friends who were slobs at one or more of these aspects and trust me, you don't want to be that girl they only keep around to visually make themselves look better.

Now, back to troons because this IS a troon thread: Troons are slobs at heart. They don't care for these aspects but thanks to their troonhood they can get away with it because you're expected to be sympathetic (again, fulfillment of social roles) and "understand" them. Troonhood essentially allows you to skip most responsibilities and get away with expecting others to comply with what you're not even okay with doing yourself. Another reason I hate troons, really. you cant befriend one (I used to be friends with a pooner). They're all mememememe. they lack empathy and can't see beyond themselves. I actually do understand where many trannies are coming from. I put myself in their headspace, try to think like they do, and what their view of themselves and other is: which is why I hate them. they're lazy, entitled men who have been emboldened by a devious sex cult to take their fetish or trauma out into the public space with the express intent to comply. When a troon is feeling bad we're expected to drop everything and coddle him, but when us ""cis"" people are feeling bad we carry on and then cry in the bathroom, specially at work or school. Another reason I can't stand libtards. They think their own problems are everyone else's. You take your problems to those who care about you: not to your classmates, coworkers, boss, etc. unless you've formed strong bonds with them.

Trannies also dress like shit, don't care for looking good, and want us to treat them as 10s when they're a 5 at best. Are you taken aback by the ugly man calling himself a woman, expecting you to treat him as a woman when he cant be bothered to even put the effort 89% of women put into their looks? does his fetish gear (cat ears, stupid shirts, mini skirt, etc.) disturb you because your mind is clearly telling you he's forcing himself on you socially? WELL YOU'RE A FUCKING TRANSPHOBE AND YOU SHOULD IGNORE YOUR INGRAINED PRIMAL INSTINCTS AND TREAT THIS LARPER AS A WOMAN!

they want all the benefits of being a woman without any of the downside- scratch that, they love it when chasers or retarded creep men mistake them for women and follow them around because they've many fetishes which coincide with wanting to be desired or creeped on like: autogynophilia, bimbofication, submission, violence, etc.

Anyway yeah thats what I meant.

 

[Jacques1194]

I've been thinking about how genderfluid really made me realize how much the trans brain argument is nonsense. I remember someone asking a "genderfluid" girl if her brain changes gender every day or hour? She gave a lazy cop out that gender was just how she likes to wear clothing and that there are days where she likes dressing in dresses and then there are days where she likes wearing baggy clothing. Which is funny because I know people that don't identify as genderfluid and do the exact same thing, so what makes this girl any different? Truth is, if a genderfluid person's brain really sometimes switches from man to woman then how does this process work? Does your brain start producing more estrogen when it wants to be a girl, but on certain days it produces more testosterone when its a boy? I know I'm thinking too much about something that's nonsense but considering how the trans community wants us to take this seriously then of course they should explain it. Truthfully speaking, I've never herd of a genderfluid person ever taking HRT on certain days and thinking about it more, imagine the person getting dysphoric and getting top surgery when they're a "boy" but then once their brain switches back to girl then would they get dysphoric over not having breasts? Its crazy how no one points out the sheer insanity of this.

 

[AMHOLIO]

@Weebtard based and antitroon pilled. The way you worded it in the original post was ambiguous enough that it was harder to tell if you were confining women only to those roles, and I had a feeling you weren't going for that, but I elaborated anyway because ai had thoughts (tm). It's not you, it's certain wild people on this site who have some really staunch autistic views on gender despite not being a troon themselves that makes us kneejerk react to certain things.

Spoiler: shitpost on apperance

I know I'm thinking too much about something that's nonsense but considering how the trans community wants us to take this seriously then of course they should explain it.

I think this is why less people claim genderfluid than back in its tumblr heyday: it can't be explained as anything other than "because my soul feels like it". Which is dumb. It's also tedious to keep up on pronouns. More people go for nonbianary or full trans for better attention and better explanation. At least with nonbinary, the category means "I don't know/neither of the two binary choices", so it is theoretically easier to conceptualize as not feminine or masculine. In practice, its mostly attention seeking/autistic/mentally ill/trend hopper women and then a split between attention seeking/proto-troon/trying to cover up past crimes or misogyny for the fewer amount of male nonbinaries.