Culture 'Rape is rarely violent and doesn't merit a jail term'-Germaine Greer - Yes that Germaine Greer!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...doesnt-merit-jail-term-claims-germaine-greer/

Rape is rarely a violent crime and should be punishable by 200 hours of community service, Germaine Greer has suggested, as she poured scorn on the idea that victims are left with post traumatic stress disorder.

The feminist said the system must be overhauled because few cases that hinge on consent end in a conviction. She joked that the most suitable punishment would be for rapists to have an “R” tattooed on their hand or cheek.

Greer was the victim of a rape when she was in her late teens – a violent attack in which she was repeatedly beaten.

But she told an audience at the Hay Festival: “Most rapes don’t involve any injury whatsoever. We are told it’s one of the most violent crimes in the world – bull----. Most rape is just lazy, just careless, just insensitive. Every time a man rolls over on his exhausted wife and insists on enjoying his conjugal right, he is raping her. It will never end up in a court of law.”

Most rapes don’t involve any injury whatsoever. We are told it’s one of the most violent crimes in the world – bull----Germaine Greer
She went on: “Instead of thinking of rape as a spectacularly violent crime – and some rapes are – think about it as non-consensual, that is, bad sex.


“Sex where there is no communication, no tenderness, no mention of love. We used to talk about lovemaking.” Greer claimed “the official position now is that 70 per cent of rape victims suffer PTSD and only 20 per cent of veterans”.

She added: “At this point you think, what the hell are you saying? That something that leaves no sign, no injury, nothing, is more damaging to women than seeing your best friend blown up by an IED is to a veteran?”

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The 2018 Hay festival take place at Hay on Wye, Powys, Wales CREDIT: ALED LLYWELYN
She argued that we should stop “pathologising” rape and saying that it destroys women’s lives. “We haven’t been destroyed, we’ve been bloody annoyed, is what we’ve been. I reckon 200 hours of community service will do – would do me. I suggested a long time ago that maybe a little tattoo would be a good thing. Maybe an ‘R’ on your hand. I’d prefer it on your cheek.”

It was “mad” that rape sentences could be heavier than those for attempted murder, she said, adding that “rape isn’t carried out by a specific group of criminals – a lot of it happens almost by accident”. But she explained: “In case you’re wondering whether with my apparently flippant attitude I actually have any understanding of the gravity of the crime of rape, I was violently raped days before my 19th birthday. I was beaten half-unconscious.

“I was found wandering in the street very confused and rescued, thank God, because the people in the car were a man and a woman. If there had been four men in that car I don’t think you would have heard of me again.”


The issue of consent should be removed from prosecutions, Greer said, and some cases could be treated as grievous bodily harm – a crime that carries a lighter sentence and would therefore not prove so off-putting to juries. “Where it’s his word against hers and the penalty is seven years or something, juries won’t convict,” she said.

The #MeToo movement would have little effect, Greer suggested, and she believed Harvey Weinstein’s accusers would be picked apart in court.

“Everybody thinks that the #MeToo generation is going to make such a big difference. It will be extraordinary if it makes any difference at all. Because they are still going to have to argue the issue of consent,” she said.

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Germaine Greer has already earned the emnity of troons and SJWs, now I wonder if she's doing it on purpose...
 
She has a point that a lot of gray area rape occurs but it doesn't really invalidate the point of women being afraid of violent rape.

I was hanging out at my friend's college apartment a few years back on a Friday night. As we were chilling in the livingroom their loud, belligerently drunk frat roommate barges in through the front door yelling "Faggots! Faggots! They're all faggots!" while towing along a chubby ginger girl who was catatonic drunk and had no idea where she was or what was going on. Drunk fratbro almost throws her against the wall then stumbles off into the rest of the apartment slurring some story about getting kicked out of a club to his roommates. At this point I tried to talk to the drunk girl to see if she was okay and she just kept swaying back and forth, not able to answer. So I go into my friend's room and we just watch a movie while this kid on mushrooms keeps telling me about how a hexagon is the 'ideal truncation of a circle". The kid on shrooms stops, then tells me he can hear sex noises. We turn off the TV and we can hear the chubby girl moaning and skin slapping. The kid on mushrooms starts crying because according to him he had a crush on the girl, and my friend and I put the movie back on.

Later as we're in the kitchen, fratbro comes out of his room and tells his friend on the phone how he just 'slaughtered a pig' with his dick before asking his friend to come wake him up for work in the morning. Fratbro then passes out. Shortly thereafter, this other girl comes in and asks me where fratbro is. She tells me that apparently he had just grabbed the chubby ginger girl at the club he got kicked out of, wouldn't let her go, and dragged her all the way home. The chubby ginger also had no recollection about what happened, was a virgin, and I heard fratbro say on the phone that he'd came inside of her. So I told the other girl everything I saw before she left.

About an hour later, fratbros friends come by to wake him up. I talk to them for a bit, and convince them to ditch him. So he ends up sleeping through his entire shift, then gets fired and blacklisted because of it.

I would imagine many other rape cases are similar.
 
She seems to think that rape's damage being overblown is similar to the value of a woman's virginity being overblown. That its outdated to view something like this as having a huge effect on a woman's life. Or to put it more simply: Just man up.

i can imagine her pursuing this line of reasoning. maybe an argument goes like this: rape being treated as the worst crime ever is a result of patriarchy based on this conception of women as untainted and as personal property. under patriarchy, rape is only bad because it meant that a man's woman had been defiled. a fetishized conception of what's between a woman's leg as something sacred and pure is absolutely an artifact of patriarchy that people who think that rape is the worst thing ever are simply inheriting. to transfer the unwarranted outrage from one sex to another isn't a good solution.

edit: not saying it's right, but just trying to follow the train of thought.
 
Well, besides from the radical feminism she still does.

She's not even that radical by today's standards. Also I think she's a troll at this point. I think getting called a TERF and dogpiled by troons pissed her off enough she just decided to spend her waning years just fucking with these people for being idiots.
 
I wasn't saying I agreed with her reasoning, I was just saying that the Guardian's inclusion of her reasoning made her position more understandable whilst the Telegraph's article just made it sound like she said, 'Hi I'm Germaine Greer. Rape isn't a big deal.'

Just because I can understand it doesn't mean I agree with it.
 
I can understand her position. Rape is sometimes treated like a special evil, because while there are instances where you could justify murder (self-defense) or stealing (ehh that may be a little harder to justify in some people's eyes), there's no justification for rape. HOWEVER, unlike murder the victim can recover from the crime, so in that case murder is worse. I could easily see her make an argument for it be considered physical assault, and just merge the definitions for sexual assault (including rape) into one term, since her argument seems to be that by treating it as a pedestal-like thing we might be preventing those who have suffered from it from moving on.

I'm curious behind the reasoning for the author writing the article about this. I remember when she had her opinions on transgenders, there were warnings everywhere and she was considered super rude and insensitive and the like. But when she has an opinion that would cause backlash from the opposite side, it seems like more people are advertising her views. I wonder if there's a reason for that or if I'm just being needlessly suspicious since it's a view that I don't agree with.
 
I was under the impression that rape is always bad even when there is no other physical violence because you can be impregnated against your will, given STDs and HIV unless the rapist uses a condom to not leave as much DNA, violates a person's right to bodily autonomy and sex when not aroused can cause internal injuries. Is she denying PTSD is a real disorder or that rape can cause it? PTSD is an accepted diagnosis in the medical community and can happen from a wide variety of things not only rape... combat, natural disasters, accidents, abuse, witnessing a traumatic death or coming upon the corpse someone who died from suicide as some examples. Whatever cause the disorder shares symptoms.
I don't know what she's trying to accomplish. Is she saying community service would be better because the legal process of proving a rape can be retraumatizing for some victims? Maybe she thinks victims should be saved the uncertainty of waiting for the legal system. Does she think it's a net gain for justice if more rapists get community service under a conviction lesser than the legal standard of rape because rape is hard to prove?
I think the whole push-back to the stuff she said on transgenders got to her head. Now she feels like she has nothing to lose. Maybe she has dementia or some form of mental illness. Now third wavers will say TERFs don't believe rape is violent because Greer said so.
SMDH it's a real possibility she may be a troll in my eyes as well.
 
Greer seems to be part of a larger phenomenon of prominent 2nd-wave feminists suddenly coming up all shitlordy because they got flanked on the left by their third-wave/intersectional descendants. TERFs are interesting as a case study of how fast you'll get thrown under the bus for not keeping up with [current year] morals, no matter if you spent your entire life on the (previous) bleeding edge of left-wing politics. Given the propensity of revolutions to eat their own, I'm just a bit surprised that it took this long.
 
adding that “rape isn’t carried out by a specific group of criminals – a lot of it happens almost by accident”.

I feel ya. Girl, if I could only count the number of times I’ve been accidentally raped while out grocery shopping. You look down one second to check your list and next thing you know you trip and fall open-mouthed on some rando’s dick. And then while you’re trying to play it off, someone else trips on you by accident and gives you that accidental rape long stroke into your lady-hole. Every damn time...

It’s so embarrassing for everyone involved..
 
Greer seems to be part of a larger phenomenon of prominent 2nd-wave feminists suddenly coming up all shitlordy because they got flanked on the left by their third-wave/intersectional descendants. TERFs are interesting as a case study of how fast you'll get thrown under the bus for not keeping up with [current year] morals, no matter if you spent your entire life on the (previous) bleeding edge of left-wing politics. Given the propensity of revolutions to eat their own, I'm just a bit surprised that it took this long.

It's like if Karl Marx were alive to see Stalin and Mao and decided to devote his time to troll them and other communists who agreed with them.
 
Is this one of those radical feminist “All heterosexual sex is rape” things?
Almost:

Greer said:
Every time a man rolls over on his exhausted wife and insists on enjoying his conjugal right, he is raping her. It will never end up in a court of law.”
She seems to suggest that rape be redefined as "bad sex" i.e. "sex where there is no communication, no tenderness, no mention of love." If my understanding is correct, she is no different from both traditional radfems and SJW dangerhairs in advocating that only the woman can define what is "rape".
 
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It’s not rape if you yell “surprise!”

Your orifices were warned ahead of time and should have jumped out of the way.
Well, she's wrong.

She heard a friend being raped in an adjacent room and did nothing. Something is very wrong with her.

I guess he just didn't think it was a violent enough crime. It's not like the poor lady was being murdered.

I think that this whole thing is some bizarre issue stemming from her feelings about her own rape.

In case you’re wondering whether with my apparently flippant attitude I actually have any understanding of the gravity of the crime of rape, I was violently raped days before my 19th birthday. I was beaten half-unconscious.

“I was found wandering in the street very confused and rescued, thank God, because the people in the car were a man and a woman. If there had been four men in that car I don’t think you would have heard of me again.”

So, "I was violently raped and beaten. Thank God the people that found me weren't all men or my dead body would have been thrown into a ravine the next morning. But rape isn't a violent crime and rapists just need to pick up some trash by the side of the road until they learn not to be bad boys and keep their penises to themselves until someone asks to see them."

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