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Drama Fan said:
Turn rdrama back on. I need to pay out my bets. Hundreds of dramacoins are on the lin
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Islamic Taylor Swift said:
Oh no I just accidentally hit the Offline toggle and didn’t notice for several minutes, so now I’m waiting a little bit so I can try to play it off as intentional.
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Islamic Taylor Swift said:
Oh no I just accidentally hit the Offline toggle and didn’t notice for several minutes, so now I’m waiting a little bit so I can try to play it off as intentional.
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Nothing of value was lost. Put that pathetic site out of its misery ffs
 
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WPD was contacted by the United States government (A), who ordered them to remove all content from their /h/ISIS (ISIS videos/pictures) and /h/Sandshit (Israel-Palestine war content) sections that celebrated terrorism or terrorist organizations.
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Recently, WatchPeopleDie was contacted by a government agency (it doesn't really matter which one, since they all work together).

The issue was the presence of videos on our platform that—in their determination—represented "material that encourages, promotes or glorifies terrorist acts or which otherwise incites or assists others to participate in such acts."

They provided a series of video links that they identified as clips from ISIS training and promotional videos, requesting they be removed and "that you treat this matter as a high priority."

Our policy is to follow US law. Current US Federal Law (18 USC § 2339A&B) states:

  • It is unlawful for a person in the United States to knowingly provide material support or resources to any Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
  • Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizationmeans anyone on the US State Department list:
  • Material support or resources includes any service (such as webhosting) or training
  • Training means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill (such as videos)
Sources: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339A, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B

I hope you'll notice how incredibly vague and broad that law is and how the groups on the watchlist are predominantly from the MIddle East. This is what presents a problem for us in those categories. If we were to leave up a video that was recognized as coming from an ISIS training or recruitment video, it is not impossible for some federal prosecutor to make the case that we are providing "material support" to ISIS and then come after the site.

Therefore, in order to protect both the site and its userbase, we are now expanding and clarifying the rule on what kind of videos are allowed:

Rule 2: Do not post anything illegal under US law
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Rule 2: Do not post anything illegal under US law, including training or promotional videos from Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations
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Additional clarifications that will be put in the sidebars of /h/ISIS and /h/Sandshit and possibly other categories:

  • 1) Post raw footage whenever possible
    • (Without logos, subtitles, title cards, background music, narration, etc)
  • 2) Do not post videos that:
    • Focus primarily on the logos/slogans of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations
    • Provide contact information (email addresses, Telegram/Signal, websites, etc)
    • Contain propaganda slides (recruiting messages, praise for martyrdom, etc)
    • Are "edits" in support of such groups (usually fast-paced with various clips set to music and mixed with visual effects)
  • 3) If you discover older WPD videos that may be prohibited under these clarified rules, please Report them
Some examples of banned material not explicitly mentioned above are translated ISIS/Hamas/Hezbollah/etc "nasheed videos" and instructional videos on how to commit terrorist attacks (like the ISIS knife attack tutorial).

This isn't a departure from our previous policy so much as a clarification. Almost all of these videos were already not allowed, we're just giving everyone a head's up to help make enforcement more consistent. /H/ISIS and /h/Sandshit aren't going to go kaput any time soon.

Now, if you're a Saudi Oil Prince who will give us a million dollars to hire a top-notch law firm, then we would be happy to have them take a stand against government censorship on our behalf. Otherwise, we are going to do what is best for the site and be more restrictive towards certain videos than we may have been in the past.

Thank you for your understanding on this issue, and please Contact Us if you have any specific questions about the revised policy.

- The WPD Administration Team
 
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Merry said:
Isn't this a 1st Amendment violation, assuming they're US based? Forgive me if I'm mistaken
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The problem with challenges to anti-terrorism laws that target speech is the same problem that courts are confronted with when CP laws (and other laws re: sexual crimes involving children) are challenged. There's an extra shield of deference that the federal courts have given to these type of anti-speech (and anti-expressive conduct) laws because if they applied pure First Amendment jurisprudence, the laws would be void for vagueness. No judge wants to be the guy who struck down the anti-terrorism or anti-CP law.
 
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Merry said:
Isn't this a 1st Amendment violation, assuming they're US based? Forgive me if I'm mistaken
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I haven’t been very involved with WPD aside from some announcement posts and routine shitposts in a long time, but yeah it’s probably covered. Some of the linked content seemed pretty innocuous, but I don’t think anyone involved with the site has any interest of trying to stick it to the man when the the man is intimidatingly-named three letter agencies telling you to do something. They may even have had a point, I have no clue what was being said in the videos or where the line is for that sort of thing from a legal perspective.

It’s enjoyable to tell irrelevant shitholes demanding we do something to fuck off but with orgs that can very realistically blackbag you (doubly so when these agencies quite literally do blackbagging for activities related directly to the videos in question) I think erring towards extreme caution is ideal.

Wasn’t my call to make but it was a good one imo
 
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