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I personally would rather it stayed the Cwcki Forums, but if we do rebrand I think we should avoid any references to other lolcows in the new name. Lolcows come and go, and even with a plentiful lolcow like Jace, eventually the milk will run dry and we'll be left wondering whether or not we should rebrand again. Choosing something nice and generalized would be a good idea, I think.
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So shoot me, but I'm not gaga over the name "Kiwi Forum" like many of my colleagues are. I actually agree that, even if it seems really funny and topical now, it's going to be pretty irrelevant in the not too distant future. I mean, "Kiwi Forum" is just a pun on "CWCki Forum" like "CWCki" is a pun on "Wiki." Once people get tired of Jace, it's just going to be "Why the hell did we rename ourselves the Kiwi Forum?"
I think "Kiwi Forum" is only worth being the name of the off-topic/general discussion board.
I think "Kiwi Forum" is only worth being the name of the off-topic/general discussion board.
Actually, I like the idea of using the word "museum" in the name, since I think it sums up what we're about pretty well. Putting bizarre people up on display, chronicling every bit of information about them, and discussing every. minute. detail to the death. Lolcow Museum? Even then, I'm not sure about the staying power of the term "lolcow," but eh, too much apathy to care one way or another.
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I don't think the name "Kiwi Forum/Farm" is going to become irrelevant or nonsensical as soon as Jace dries up. While it did originate from him, the name really has nothing to do with him directly, other than the fact that he made it. It's like saying we'd have to get rid of some of the Chris smilies if the person who made them left the forum. Sure, they are the ones who created them, but unless they're requesting that we no longer use their smiley's, their absence doesn't make the smileys themselves less enjoyable or less useful.
If, somewhere down the line, we decide to stop covering Jace, I don't see why we'd have any reason to change name away from "Kiwi Forum" or "Kiwi Farm". Hell, at that point, most newcomers probably won't even know it originated from him, much less feel like its inappropriate to keep the name after we stop covering him.
At any rate, I think "Kiwi Farm/Forum" has the added benefit of being close enough phonetically to "CWCki Forum" that name recognition might not be a huge deal. If I'm not mistaken, "CWCki Forum" is fairly a well recognized name as it is, so it'd be a shame to lose that completely in favor of a name that's not only completely unrelated to who we are as a community, but is instead simply calculated to bring more/better newcomers in.
If, somewhere down the line, we decide to stop covering Jace, I don't see why we'd have any reason to change name away from "Kiwi Forum" or "Kiwi Farm". Hell, at that point, most newcomers probably won't even know it originated from him, much less feel like its inappropriate to keep the name after we stop covering him.
At any rate, I think "Kiwi Farm/Forum" has the added benefit of being close enough phonetically to "CWCki Forum" that name recognition might not be a huge deal. If I'm not mistaken, "CWCki Forum" is fairly a well recognized name as it is, so it'd be a shame to lose that completely in favor of a name that's not only completely unrelated to who we are as a community, but is instead simply calculated to bring more/better newcomers in.
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It's unlikely. I don't predict trophies would be affected by the rebranding. It sound unnecessary.
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I'd like to share my feelings on the subject, as I am the TRUE and HONEST founder of the forum.
I mostly made this place to discuss Chris as I felt there wasn't a dedicated place to do so - pretty much people either whined about how they couldn't get into PVCC or they'd go on /cow/ and then get bitched for talking about Chris when he was "over." So instead they'd do it on the CWCki itself and that annoyed the hell out of me because they'd do it on talk pages. I was skeptical about allowing discussion about other lolcows because I felt like /cow/ had that area covered.
We've grown a lot and the CWCki connection is very tenuous at this point. I've heard people use the term "sonichu.com" to refer to the wiki and I was confused, like if they thought CWCki was some sort of dirty word and then I realized - people now associate "CWCki" with these forums. Instead of associating the CWCki with the actual wiki, it's actually being overtaken by these forums. I mostly went with the name CWCki Forums in the same vein that the HR Wiki (a wiki on Homestar Runner) did to mostly handle the same problem - give a place for people to discuss the cartoons instead of doing it on the wiki itself. I also used it as sort to convey quality and officiality - this wasn't just me making a forum for myself, this was related to the CWCki and there would be some basic rules and attempts to have some decent level of quality discussion. There had been people who made their own Chris forums mostly as a way to lure "spergs" in so they can troll them and I didn't want people to think I was doing that. People are now getting confused over the relationship between the CWCki Forums and the CWCki itself as sometimes people will go to the CWCki itself to talk about something that happened to them on the forums when that's really not the place and likewise, people think this is the place to make substantive CWCki discussions, which isn't bad but that's not really ideal. I had thought of some way to disassociate the two to more or less protect the CWCki "brand."
I feel that you gotta give the people what they want and there's a demand for people talking about other lolcows. Not my bag but gotta give room to grow. /cow/ was originally /cwc/ and they changed as they didn't want to be limited to discussion about Chris. Likewise, PVCC eventually made forums to discuss other lolcows when Chris trolling started to die down. I still want Chris to have a prominent place but I don't want us to feel restrained over what we can do because of our name.
In a way, it's a bit of a change in culture but I think we're allowing ourselves to grow. They'll still be a place to talk about Chris and if you're interested in that, you can just hang out on the Chris forum. If you're interested in some other lolcows, they'll be places for that. If that's not your thing, there's the Off Topic forums. Our common unity might not be Chris but it will be that we're all horrible people who laugh at the misfortunes of others.
I mostly made this place to discuss Chris as I felt there wasn't a dedicated place to do so - pretty much people either whined about how they couldn't get into PVCC or they'd go on /cow/ and then get bitched for talking about Chris when he was "over." So instead they'd do it on the CWCki itself and that annoyed the hell out of me because they'd do it on talk pages. I was skeptical about allowing discussion about other lolcows because I felt like /cow/ had that area covered.
We've grown a lot and the CWCki connection is very tenuous at this point. I've heard people use the term "sonichu.com" to refer to the wiki and I was confused, like if they thought CWCki was some sort of dirty word and then I realized - people now associate "CWCki" with these forums. Instead of associating the CWCki with the actual wiki, it's actually being overtaken by these forums. I mostly went with the name CWCki Forums in the same vein that the HR Wiki (a wiki on Homestar Runner) did to mostly handle the same problem - give a place for people to discuss the cartoons instead of doing it on the wiki itself. I also used it as sort to convey quality and officiality - this wasn't just me making a forum for myself, this was related to the CWCki and there would be some basic rules and attempts to have some decent level of quality discussion. There had been people who made their own Chris forums mostly as a way to lure "spergs" in so they can troll them and I didn't want people to think I was doing that. People are now getting confused over the relationship between the CWCki Forums and the CWCki itself as sometimes people will go to the CWCki itself to talk about something that happened to them on the forums when that's really not the place and likewise, people think this is the place to make substantive CWCki discussions, which isn't bad but that's not really ideal. I had thought of some way to disassociate the two to more or less protect the CWCki "brand."
I feel that you gotta give the people what they want and there's a demand for people talking about other lolcows. Not my bag but gotta give room to grow. /cow/ was originally /cwc/ and they changed as they didn't want to be limited to discussion about Chris. Likewise, PVCC eventually made forums to discuss other lolcows when Chris trolling started to die down. I still want Chris to have a prominent place but I don't want us to feel restrained over what we can do because of our name.
In a way, it's a bit of a change in culture but I think we're allowing ourselves to grow. They'll still be a place to talk about Chris and if you're interested in that, you can just hang out on the Chris forum. If you're interested in some other lolcows, they'll be places for that. If that's not your thing, there's the Off Topic forums. Our common unity might not be Chris but it will be that we're all horrible people who laugh at the misfortunes of others.
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