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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 256 23.9%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 459 42.8%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 229 21.4%
  • Tim

    Votes: 385 35.9%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.6%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.5%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%

  • Total voters
    1,072
the most exciting part of that expanded world isn't the stuff with say, Post-OT EU Grandmaster Luke who is basically an unstoppable God, or the Imperial Era, where pretty much everything storywise will inevitably boil down to "Uh Oh! The Empire is here, so we gotta skidaddle!" It's going to be the actual balanced war, with the cool clones, and the cool robots.
Post-OT had the most room to actually do things in because it wasn't beholden to things that were already put to paper, any PT-era story will lead to Sheevy P taking over and killing 99% of the Jedi in the same way that any OT-era story will lead to Vader throwing Sheevy P down a space chasm. Imperial of book was fine for immediate post-OT stuff since it was the logical progression of things but since the war had to be won eventually it gave way to the wierdness of the post-GCW-pre-NJO era of the EU, and NJO was actually well regarded by people who read it and don't just skim the wikipedia articles on the Yuuzhan Vong and immediately conclude that it was gay.

I agree that there's ample room to fill out with the prequels' setting but to say that those stories aren't equally as meaningless to films themselves is peak foolishness.
 
How does it stack against Attack of the Clones? Because on retrospect, AotC was my childhood introduction to the concept of "boring cringe": I fast-forwarded through the reprehensible attempts at romance and just watched Obi-Wan's scenes, which, on retrospect, were also full of stupid shit, but were at least fun.

In your opinion, is The Acolyte overall more high-octane, or at least without AotC's nadirs?
Most episodes are 30 minutes or less so every episode is packed with insanity. I never laughed so much watching Star Wars since the the Rifftrax of the prequels.

I kind of agree with Mike that Andor was too good for the Star Wars universe. There would be no way something like that would get greenlit for a generic 70s-inspired SciFi series.
Andor is a show Lucasfilm should have made if Star Wars was popular and doing well so they could make a prestige show for award season. It's wasted on current Lucasfilm.
 
I agree that there's ample room to fill out with the prequels' setting but to say that those stories aren't equally as meaningless to films themselves is peak foolishness.
I disagree, Post-OT originally had a lot of potential, sure, but it was almost never done very well at all, and a lot of it is just kinda bad. I don't know how people can defend the old EU post OT stuff when "Somehow, Palpatine returned" was actually a fucking thing there, too. Sure, the Vong might have been well regarded at the time, but at the time, the only people who were really going to be reading these books would've suffered from a significant amount of the ol sunk cost fallacy.

Meanwhile, with the Prequels, sure you know that eventually, the Jedi Order falls and the Republic becomes the empire, but it's a far less limited setting than the OT, but at the same time, still limited enough to feel like it's not just an endless sandbox. It has to play by the rules still, but it's nowhere near as restricted as the OT time period, but it does have some restrictions so it's not like Post-OT, where random shit just sometimes happens for the sake of escalation, like the terrifying crab people from outside of the galaxy who somehow justify Palpatine doing what he did, or Coruscant just getting absolutely assfucked into oblivion and turned into ruins.

There is also the problem that Luke is just... sort of a boring character if you keep using him after his story concludes. He's the ultimate flawless Jedi who is almost completely undefeatable at a certain point. Sure, he works well as a character in the OT, but that's just the Hero's Journey in action. When that concludes, he's just sort of... boring?
I don't know, just feels like you have a whole lot more room to breathe with the prequels as a setting, but at the same time things stay on the rails enough that you aren't suddenly facing off against a young clone of Palpatine who can blow up planets with his fingees, or a Force Cthulhu. From what was set-up, any sort of escalation beyond Palpatine is silly, because Palpatine was the culmination of centuries of Sith manipulation and growth of power, but then idk here's some random fucking tusken raider LARPer with a light saber who is super strong and on par with Sheev.
Post-OT stuff to me breaks my suspension of disbelief due to the escalation.
 
On BOTW, whenever there’s a religious tape, they go out of their way to wax on for the entire discussion about how it’s bad because it rams its religious message down the viewer’s throat or attacks their identity.
Modern movies are worse because they pretend to be harmless entertainment while the religious movies are upfront about their intent. You can't go see The Passion of Christ and get upset that Jesus is in it.
 
The prequels also had peak Natalie Portman

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I really have no idea why Mike made this Plinkett video. He tries to sum up his point with "well there's too much Star Wars for me to care." Yeah no shit, everyone knows the oversaturation has been a problem, but also because so much of that content has been trash MOST people quit giving a fuck about Star Wars. Despite hearing how good Andor is, I still haven't checked it out because of that.

Feels like he's just trying to be contrarian about Acolyte. I see his point, in paper, a mystery story about Jedi trying to figure out murders leading back to some shady shit they did could be good. But it wasn't which is why everyone was pissed. The EU already proved though you can do all sorts of interesting shit in the universe though. Sure some of that was garbage too, but they still found stories to tell in books, comics, and video games for years after it seemed like there'd never be another movie.

I usually can at least see where he's coming from but this video just makes less sense the more I think about it so I'm gonna assume Mike was hammered or something. Also as an aside, the only SW thing I am interested is if they do a KotOR show, only cause I know they're gonna fuck it up and it might be funny.
 
What a bunch of hackfrauds!

Mike really cannot admit that maybe the prequels weren't as hated as he wants to believe. Comparing them to the acolyte is peak contrarian faggotry "your beloved prequels are as crap as the lesbian witches series CHUDS!", sure Mike, nice cherry picking.
 
Mike really cannot admit that maybe the prequels weren't as hated as he wants to believe.
No, they were hated that much...in 2009.

You know, back when the kids who were watching The Clone Wars and Prequel films were busy enjoying them and too young to get on the internet to give a shit what he thought.

What Mike really cannot admit, and it's something a lot of people can't admit, is that a lot of the appeal of these types of films comes from what age you are when you watch them. It's why older people are always saying shit was better back in their day.
 
No, they were hated that much...in 2009.
Star Wars was at it’s most popular and profitable during the prequel era. Toys, books, video games, and cartoons were the most popular after Revenge of the Sith. Hollywood made it trendy to hate George Lucas and the prequels. Red Letter Media was sponging off Kevin Smith, making fun of the Star Wars prequels. Prequel hate was proto-Big Bang Theory Hollywood writing.
 
The prequels also had the benefit of becoming a meme factory for a while, which I think helped in part to soften people's stances and opinions on them. Yeah, a lot of it is a combination of bad dialogue ("I hate sand.") or poor delivery, but they were able to stick in people's heads and there's a cheesiness to it that makes them enjoyable. The Plinkett reviews criticism about the script being slapped together in like 10 days is one of the bigger ones that tends to be overlooked.

But looking at the sequel trilogy, I could be wrong, but I don't see that enduring or quotable vibe to it, and I don't see a sequel memes subreddit taking off like the prequel memes one did.

I'm also surprised that Plinkett didn't mention what looks like an attempted stealth rehabbing of Star Wars. Anyone else notice that Coke crossover promotion? Kinda fucking weird, until you notice the commercials (at least the ones I've seen) all feature dudes. Dudes, dudes and more dudes. I kinda thought that might've been what the new Plinkett video was about, instead of just retreads of some of his older moans.
 
RLM should unironically shut up about the current state of Star Wars. Disney Wars is so shit because of them. Mike's Plinkett Prequel reviews had a huge impact and their other videos where they said that JJ Abrams would be a great Star Wars director. The rest of the crew was quite silent about the Disney Trilogy except a few takes like Jay: "Rey is not a Mary Sue" and "Daisy Ridley was charismatic as hell in TLJ", the dumbest one came from Rich in a previous video: "There's no story to tell in Star Wars outside of the OT because the Star Wars galaxy is too small".
 
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But looking at the sequel trilogy, I could be wrong, but I don't see that enduring or quotable vibe to it, and I don't see a sequel memes subreddit taking off like the prequel memes one did.
Only three. The meme character Disney intentionally failed to capitalized on. The other two were from the rise of skywalker. TR8R unironically could’ve been as big as baby yoda. TR8R had a bigger impact captain phasma. TR8R with zero irony could’ve became the sequel trilogy Boba Fett. Pre-Disney Star Wars would’ve turned TR8R into a EU fan favorite character with multiple books, action figures, comics and video games.
 
Basically 80% of the video was just seething about the fact that people like the prequels now, and when I say "people" I'm not referring to the general audience who always liked the prequels, but the people online who consider themselves intelligent movie watchers and either talk about them online or listen to other people do so, or in other words RLM's own former fans. The reason why he is so peeved about the prequels is that Darth Vader being a naive child, or even worse a petulant teenager, is the same for OG Star Wars manchildren as Luke in TLJ was for the general audience. Star Wars is eternally ruined and there's no reason to care anymore, this is the reason why Mike can't view the newer Disney schlock as being as bad as it really is, and why he's most offended about the cheap nostalgia baiting in them. It has in a way made him appreciate the prequels more, since despite his disappointment, they had a clear and deep respect for the originals, while Disney at best has respect for the originals as a seedbed for quarterly profits.
This extends to his hatred of the people who sincerely like the prequels, which he views as "corny, melodramatic, serial, sci-fi schlock", where he feels the need to very transparently cherry pick the dumbest defenses of the prequels and what he views as the dumbest criticisms of the new stuff to make everyone who isn't an OG manchild look like an idiot. Of course, Mike probably justifies this to himself as being okay because he's just playing a character and you aren't supposed to take anything Plinkett says seriously, but this video is Mike's way of publishing his real views on these things. If you want an intelligent defense of the prequels you don't need to look any further than the fairly well known video by Rick Worley, which is a video which should be especially insulting to Mike because he views himself as a real filmmaker and film connoisseur, (the part about dumb critics was published separately)
The most embarrassing part of his video was when he pretended to not know what "woke" means because he thought it would make the people he's mocking look stupid, and of course who could forget to mention that he only talked about the Acolyte in the first place because he wanted to complain about zoomers (and millennials but I think he wants to pretend they hate the prequels) rewriting the consensus on the prequels, but his point is so transparently stupid both because people actually need to watch something in the first place in order to like it, and because he genuinely believes there is nothing worthwhile in the prequels, so he can only view it as arbitrary nostalgia and so of course gay nigger communism the Disney+ series that will probably be delisted within the decade will be loved in 20 years. Add an honorable mention when he for some reason refers to hippy dippy neopaganism but literally Star Wars because Wicca needed to be gayer as fascism.

Anyway, if TLJ never happened, and Disney Star Wars had been exclusively TFA, a carbon copy of Empire, and ROS people would have recognized that it sucked, but it wouldn't have destroyed the franchise. Also, people never remember the worst part of the rise of skywalker, a crucial scene, Palpatine's message to the galaxy, was exclusive to Fortnite.
 
Only three. The meme character Disney intentionally failed to capitalized on. The other two were from the rise of skywalker. TR8R unironically could’ve been as big as baby yoda. TR8R had a bigger impact captain phasma. TR8R with zero irony could’ve became the sequel trilogy Boba Fett. Pre-Disney Star Wars would’ve turned TR8R into a EU fan favorite character with multiple books, action figures, comics and video games.
I would have added, "I've died before" and "Nav can't tell which way is up," but yes, these are meme scenes. They are memes that showcase how much of a hack fraud JJ Abrams is. TLJ meme scenes would be Luke throwing away his lightsaber like in slapstick or milking the green titty. I want to say Rose's speech, but only because the Empire blows up the door right after she says it to undercut her dramatic scene.
 
Anyway, if TLJ never happened, and Disney Star Wars had been exclusively TFA, a carbon copy of Empire, and ROS people would have recognized that it sucked, but it wouldn't have destroyed the franchise. Also, people never remember the worst part of the rise of skywalker, a crucial scene, Palpatine's message to the galaxy, was exclusive to Fortnite.
TLJ is exaggerated in killing the franchise. TFA was already shit, that nobody talks about anymore. TLJ is at least fun to hate.
 
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