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Critikill does a nice synopsis of them.
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I don't know about /r/philosophy, but /r/science has a bajillion mods, nearly all of whom are either failed scientists or IFLS types who promote political "studies" and delete any post that they disagree with the conclusions of as well as any comment that dares to question the Science™. /r/askhistorians hasn't been a good sub in years as again the mods are leftist academics more interested in pushing their politics than accurate history.I wonder how they will handle stuff like /r/science, /r/philosophy or /r/askhistorians., all currently restricted and all (presumably) with a Mod staff a cut above the average Hot Pockets™ eater? I'm betting they all cave to the Reddit Administration, but we shall see.
>forced unpaid labour
this video best describes the type of person you'll find moderating subreddits like that:I wonder how they will handle stuff like /r/science, /r/philosophy or /r/askhistorians., all currently restricted and all (presumably) with a Mod staff a cut above the average Hot Pockets™ eater?
It's forced unpaid labour when they don't like it, but it's volunteering when they do. Again why are people letting these people dictate what's okay and what's not okay?
How we got here: Reddit announced changes to API pricing with the sole purpose of killing third party apps(Apollo, RIF, Sync, Boost, etc). /u/spez attempted to trick the wider Reddit community by spinning yarns about how the dev of Apollo threatened him, which was later proven to be a lie and further lied when he stated that the RIF dev never attempted to contact him. /u/spez then had an AMA where he doubled down and dismissed all legitimate concerns about the API pricing change.
Why we decided to join the blackout: From the outset we have known that our subreddit is an outlier amongst the wider Reddit community: We have a large amount of third party app and old.reddit users. This is reinforced by Reddit's own stats. We couldn't let an attack on a significant amount of our users go unanswered. This was overwhelmingly supported in the post we made, before it even got to /r/all and started to be influenced by outside voting.
What's going on now: After extending the blackout past 48 hours, we were contacted by the admin community team about our concerns and opened a conversation, which was our objective. However, Reddit is still steadfastly refusing to negotiate. They are "speaking" to mod teams whose subreddits have indefinitely blackout and playing those mod teams against each other in bids to get them to re-open. In other instances they've threatened specific subreddits to re-open and a few are re-opening and turning into John Oliver fan subs (/r/pics, /r/gifs, /r/art, /r/aww).
Where does that leave /r/pcgaming?: We currently don't believe that Reddit has any intent in ever negotiating in good faith about this particular issue while /u/spez is CEO. That leaves us with scant few choices.
If we continue the blackout we believe, based on reports from other subreddits, that Reddit will simply remove us as moderators and force the sub open anyway. They will put in place mods that don't understand the community, have no idea what kind of tools and SOPs we have created with our own time, money and experience, and may not ultimately serve the community well.
If we maliciously comply in re-opening---the thought was to become a Henry Cavill meme and pic sub---we would be destroying what this is subreddit is all about.
There is one thing that the mod team 100% agrees with Reddit on: We are stewards of this community. We take that responsibility very seriously. We wouldn't be doing this for free if we didn't. We have always tried to foster a place where anybody can come and share news and discuss PC gaming. All of the moderators on this team were regular users of /r/pcgaming at one point in time and we have no desire to cause any long-lasting harm to it. With that said, we believe the best course of action is to re-open the subreddit at midnight EST on June 19th like we had planned.
We would like to end this post with an apology to our users who are going to be affected by these changes on July 1st: We're sorry. We tried to get Reddit to come back to the table but it's clear that Reddit doesn't care. You deserve better and hopefully you can find that if you decide you'd no longer like to be a Redditor. You will always be welcome in our Discord.
Reddit has never made any money, ever. Its' continued existence is at the whims of venture capitalists and the fact that they hoodwinked Conde Nast to buy them. They have the lowest ad revenue per user of any of the major social media sites. Advertisers think investing in reddit is totally pointless.It's crazy that basically this whole thing could have been avoided had they just decided to purchase one of the popular 3rd party apps, or upgraded their own based on what people have been asking. I can't for the life of me figure out why they didn't go with option 1, perhaps there's some legal issue stopping them. But option 2, it's not like they don't know what people are asking for and it's not like they haven't had time to make these changes, they just refuse to do so. I can only assume they've hired a bunch of incompetent activist type workers who can't make changes more complicated than changing CSS.
Source (Austrian newspaper)Reddit strike: Three major subreddits now only show "sexy pictures of John Oliver"
The forums r/pics, r/gifs and r/art are open again after days of blackout, but are taking revenge on Reddit CEO Steve Huffman in the process
John Oliver is Reddit personified so it makes sense. He’s where most Redditors get their opinions and senses of humor from. Remember, they would laugh their asses off about “Donald Drumpf lol!!!!!!!!!!!! “So, they resort to posting John Oliver pics now?
Source (Austrian newspaper)
Hope reddit burns down now.
With these 'cut above the rest' mods, whats stopping them from stepping down as mod but still participating in the community by answering questions and submitting quality thought provoking posts? Or is there more to them ans their moderation aside from genuine knowledge on the topic? Youd think someone very enthusiastic about sharing their expertise would rather do that than sort thru spam and reports? Idk, havent used reddit much over the last few years. 2020 stuck inside I did use it a lot and it got overwhelming and stupid so I stopped. I really liked reddit from 7+ years ago. I do think if a massive mod step down movement to protest the 'unpaid labor' portion of this happened, suddenly 95% of reddit goes completely unmodded all at once, they might be able to negotiate not money but better mod tools at least. Or some charity work tax wright off based on hours "worked", idk.I wonder how they will handle stuff like /r/science, /r/philosophy or /r/askhistorians., all currently restricted and all (presumably) with a Mod staff a cut above the average Hot Pockets™ eater? I'm betting they all cave to the Reddit Administration, but we shall see.
Hail Mary with their notice me senpai not realizing the show is off the air cause people with actual jobs are striking for something actually important.So, they resort to posting John Oliver pics now?
Source (Austrian newspaper)
Hope reddit burns down now.
AskHistorians is a bit of a special case, because they've very strict rules and delete any top level comments that are jokes/memes/off topic or are just unfounded speculation or unsourced assertions (and they don't allow Wikipedia as a source). They also block questions that are too broad/vague, dumb horny questions and also anything more recent than 20 years ago to try and quell political seething.With these 'cut above the rest' mods, whats stopping them from stepping down as mod but still participating in the community by answering questions and submitting quality thought provoking posts? Or is there more to them ans their moderation aside from genuine knowledge on the topic? Youd think someone very enthusiastic about sharing their expertise would rather do that than sort thru spam and reports? Idk, havent used reddit much over the last few years. 2020 stuck inside I did use it a lot and it got overwhelming and stupid so I stopped. I really liked reddit from 7+ years ago. I do think if a massive mod step down movement to protest the 'unpaid labor' portion of this happened, suddenly 95% of reddit goes completely unmodded all at once, they might be able to negotiate not money but better mod tools at least. Or some charity work tax wright off based on hours "worked", idk.