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Ultrapenguin

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I'm not much of a physical book reader, but I have nagging memories of the Redwall books from back when I was just a child and I wasn't sure if anyone had heard of them. I figured people here might be big enough nerds they'd be familiar. Plus the internet has furries so maybe they're into the whole thing? Literature weirdos online is a culture I'm not really in touch with.


For anyone not familiar, these books were really the man's choice of book for a gradeschooler back in the day, because they pretty much consisted of 3 things: adventure, food porn, and intense violence.
You had a shit ton of anthropomorphic animals which basically served as different races/clans, and in the epicenter of the story was usually this sort of peaceful multi-species abbey called Redwall.

There was the legendary swordsman mouse named Matthias (he and his sword were so keen he could cut a dandelion in half lengthwise while it was in air), he served as the warrior of the abbey. He had a whole history I can't quite remember, but all I know is he tended to be central to a lot of stories and he was a tough little guy. Google says this is him:
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There was also this hulking bro named Lord Brocktree, he I remember most often. He was a badger and he had a huge god damned sword, maybe a little like guts from Berserk if he was a ground dwelling forest mammal. I would not push this dude:
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There was a mole that showed up a lot too if I'm not mistaken, he used a rapier.

They were sort of the main-est characters; however there were also shrews, otters (which used two sided lances), just a whole cohort of animals specializing in certain weapons, styles of combat, and with different home habitats and belonging to various different factions. Here's a little chart I found on images:
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And they never skimped on the violence when it happened. It wasn't super gratuitous, but motherfuckers died, this wasn't a fuzzy series where everyone becomes friends at the end.
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The weirdest thing to me as a kid though (and why I'm writing this) was the food bit. The adventuring and battle would just stop for a god damned pages-long break to present, in what could only be described as lurid pornographic detail, the process of all the little critters at the abbey frolicking around making scones of all kinds, dandelion wines, roasted acorns, blackberry pies...

I'm not sure if part of the idea was to portray the central abbey as being very idyllic or if he was simply a really hungry guy, but whatever it was the man writing the series loved eating, and he loved fantasy combat.

I could read the books, but honestly I was a little young to keep track of all the relationships between all the various moving parts in the story. I remember the food though.
The combat was cool, but every time there was a break and it was back to a bunch of characters at the Abbey my spirits fell because I knew that was going to last for the next 5 fucking pages. I wanted to get back to fighting pirates and people (anthro-animals?) getting impaled on javelins and shit, but no, you're going to hear about boring lady animals picking apples and making blackcurrant jam instead.

Google tells me they made a whole cookbook based upon the series, that's how often they talked about god damned food. Look at this fat fuck:
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My young self feels vindicated having finally shared these criticisms decades later.
Is this a popular book series among internet weirdos? It seems like it should be but I barely ever hear it mentioned. Every time I see an anthropomorphic badger I remember Lord Brocktree though. He was pretty sick.

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Its a fun series even if it does get very samey after a few books. From what I remember he started off working at a school for the blind and telling stories, which is why there's so many huge banquet descriptions.
 
I had these as well, I remember I did a book report on Redwall back in grade school. My dad had a color printer at work so I was able to print out the stuff I found online (this was '95 or so?) The last one I read was The Legend of Luke back then, but I did re-read Redwall and Mossflower lately for nostalgia's sake.

They're a good read honestly, they hit the right balance for books aimed at this age range. It's not dumbed down, well-written and includes a lot of dark themes from older stories and fairy tales. Jacques definitely ranks up there when it comes to that tough range between children's and young adult fiction.

The only disagreement I have is that I loved the food, cooking and Abbey scenes as much as the combat. A Redwall Winter's Tale was a favorite of mine and still is.
 
I don't have much to say on these books other than that they brought me a lot of joy in my childhood. The combination of mythology, darker themes but with animal characters was perfect for little me.
 
I should reread Redwall. Haven't thought of the series since 4th grade, but I remember liking it enough to read through the whole series in a summer or two. Wonder if it'll hold up for me.
 
I have the Redwall cookbook. The recipes are actually pretty good. My family makes 'em every new year.
I assume it's got a furry following and tons of cringey fics, but I haven't seen any myself.
I'm actually glad to hear that, it would be really disappointing for there to be that much food talk only for it to turn out the recipes were terrible.
 
It's a nice young, young adult series. I can remember the phonic spelling of the accented dialogue causing my kids some trouble. Lighthearted, but not saccharine.
 
I have a real soft spot for the books and I'm not above revisiting them every so often if I'm feeling down.
I have the Redwall cookbook. The recipes are actually pretty good. My family makes 'em every new year.
I assume it's got a furry following and tons of cringey fics, but I haven't seen any myself.
It fortunately doesn't seem like there's a strong furry following. Maybe there's some boomer furries out there, but for the most part it seems like most of the autists latched on to the Cat Warriors books.
 
This was one of my absolute favorite series growing up. The first Redwall book wasn't the first chapter book I read, but it was my first challenging chapter book that made me want to read for fun. I'm disappointed my local library doesn't have any of them. I kinda want to read them again even if they're "for kids".

My dad had several of the books and I nabbed the others from the library. I think by fourth grade I read all the ones that had been published by then. The books had rousing adventures, fun mysteries, and some action while not being too violent for any kid. Animal characters are also just fun to play around with in terms of tropes and their different sizes/features giving them all unique characteristics.

Redwall was also the first series I delved into the Fandom for. I didn't know anyone else who read them but 10 year old me browsed a lot of fan sites and even made an OC I roleplayed with on the Neopets forums as a kid. Fun times. The internet was such a different place.

I have the Redwall cookbook. The recipes are actually pretty good. My family makes 'em every new year.
I assume it's got a furry following and tons of cringey fics, but I haven't seen any myself.
I must have been a hungry kid growing up since I remember certain books based on just the food. It's mostly just hearty, cozy food if I recall. And you're tight. Maybe it's too obscure now, but I never did see much furry Fandom stuff about it.
 
I loved Redwall so much as a kid, I have almost all of the books and revisit them now and then. The first will always be my favorite, and is still my favorite book in general. I first read it when I was 8 or 9 maybe, and it had a huge influence on my writing style and my art.

If I remember correctly the author grew up in a pretty poor family and they often didn't have enough food to go around, and as a kid he's daydream about getting to eat as much as he wanted. I think that is a big reason why the Abbey is always shown as a place where there will always be food and comfort.
 
I like the later-series stories (really anything after the Martin trilogy) where the framing device is always some old badgermaid or hare from one of the previous stories gathering up all the dibbuns to tell them about another cool thing that happened at the abbey once upon a time. Gives a very cohesive sort of long history to the setting that I don't see too much elsewhere, especially kids' talking animal books.
 
So do we consider Redwall furry?
The problem with any anthropomorphic or even animal-perspective fiction is people will shit on it automatically for being furry (see my xenofiction thread). I don't feel like Redwall is furry, but it sort of technically is in the sense that yeah, the animals do walk about on two legs and have society. But really, I think furry is way more than just anthropomorphization of an animal, it's an aesthetic (a very shitty, soulless one) and a mentality. I don't think anybody would genuinely consider Frog and Toad furry, or Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse furry, and all of three of these things existed before the term ever did. So I'd argue Redwall is not furry.
 
But really, I think furry is way more than just anthropomorphization of an animal, it's an aesthetic (a very shitty, soulless one) and a mentality. I don't think anybody would genuinely consider Frog and Toad furry, or Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse furry, and all of three of these things existed before the term ever did. So I'd argue Redwall is not furry.
Autistic but I'll bite.
  • Furry is a fetish and furries fuck each other. Anything that has interspecies sex is furry.
  • Otherwise, realistic (Watership Down) and uplifted (Redwall) animals at scale aren't furry.
  • Loss of physical and pictorial realism, scale and ecology is furry but you can make a case for an exception for comedy/satire, stylization, mentality and tradition. Like fair use but for fur.
  • Non-furry art can have furry fandoms and/or be otherwise degenerate.
 
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