Refusal to enlist in the military on the western side. - Learning from the experiences of veterans.

[Feline Supremacist]

The assumption is that a war that will actually involve drafting the populace is would be one where the USA itself is at risk. Else it's the pointless argument of "every USA war is dying for Israel".

Who the fuck has the balls to attack the US and war on our soil? Sorry but our geographical location is a huge impediment to anyone crazy enough to try.

Now if a domestic war broke out then conscription is a non issue; Fudds vs the troon/fag army would have everyone with common sense flocking to the Fudd side.

 

[Male Idiot]

I can't concieve of a reason the results would be much better for the American people in a similar situation

It is easy, their only real big war was WW2, where they had two things.

First, a lot of resources and manpower like Soviet Yunyun.
Second, a lot of water around them that made enemy invasions harder than usual.

The oceans were like one of those mobile pvp game cash shop shields that protect your base.

This applies somewhat today, besides ICBMs a land assault would be hard.

The rest of the US wars were either failiures, or pyrrhic victories against non peer foes. They lost Vietnam and got a tie in Korea, and back than they had their own industry. Than they fought tiny arab nations 40 years behind them technologically. It would be like France invading Monaco or Vatican.

Now gigabrained (((elites))) had been lead by their schnozes to ship that all to China, and the population is the fattest in the world.

They are going on the WW2 era hype and don't realise that they weren't fighting equals in the sandbox.

The USA is like a kid who won a somewhat serious if not fair fight once, than kept beating up all the kids in wheelchairs and now thinks he is an invincible war god. He and his buddy Igor beat the shit out of Hans together, but that doesn't mean he'll beat Igor one on one.

 

[The best and greatest]

The USA is like a kid who won a somewhat serious if not fair fight once, than kept beating up all the kids in wheelchairs and now thinks he is an invincible war god. He and his buddy Igor beat the shit out of Hans together, but that doesn't mean he'll beat Igor one on one.

Depends more on what the victory condition for both sides ends up being which itself depends on how the fighting starts.
The USA conquering Russia and forcing them to capitulate completely? Probably not lol

The USA adopting a defensive posture in Europe and containing Russia and degrading its ability to go on the offensive? Maybe snapping off the tail end of Siberia to lock down the Arctic? Sounds far more plausible.

Russia just really doesn't benefit from a face-to-face confrontation with America. They benefit more from an Asymmetric conflict like the one we're in now where the west can be slowly pressured into making concessions or giving ground.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

half of it is westerners being faggots and fatties. The other half is the fact that who wants to die for globohomo?

 

[The Grognard]

Well, they gonna be cattle and go to die for their zogged parties. Good for them. This shitty small dick nationalism is pathetic.

They at least believe in something, compared to the average westener. The average westener only is willing to join the military for purely mercenary reasons and the governments know it. That's why they'd rather cut all social benefits so people would end up being so desperate that they would join a joke organization only good for IED baiting.

 

[Law]

When are you enlisting, OP?

 

[cigint]

questioning why they fought tooth and nail against the Axis for America in the first place

Because they're the kind of cattle that take almost a century to begin questioning why, after this war where they killed almost a hundred million of their own race, the Jews suddenly run and own everything.

 

[Male Idiot]

Depends more on what the victory condition for both sides ends up being which itself depends on how the fighting starts.
The USA conquering Russia and forcing them to capitulate completely? Probably not lol

The USA adopting a defensive posture in Europe and containing Russia and degrading its ability to go on the offensive? Maybe snapping off the tail end of Siberia to lock down the Arctic? Sounds far more plausible.

Russia just really doesn't benefit from a face-to-face confrontation with America. They benefit more from an Asymmetric conflict like the one we're in now where the west can be slowly pressured into making concessions or giving ground.

I am not so sure of that. The Russians have industry, resources and the support of China for now. The US is lacking its own manufacture, and is in a population quality decline even more markedly. If it was the 80s, I would agree.

The moment either side sets foot on the other's territory, I expect nukes to be flying unless they are expelled almost instantly.

The problem is that the US/EU has declined very sharply in the last 30 years. Financial crisises, Covid, and the woke competency crisis have seriously undermined them.

It is like two boxers. Boxer A was once the best, boxer B the second place holder. Boxer B had some alcoholism issues, and Boxer A had contracted every veneral disease known to men in the last few decades. But he doesn't realise yet that he had become so much weaker, because he can still punch out the old BPD cat lady.

 

[The best and greatest]

I am not so sure of that. The Russians have industry, resources and the support of China for now. The US is lacking its own manufacture, and is in a population quality decline even more markedly. If it was the 80s, I would agree.

The moment either side sets foot on the other's territory, I expect nukes to be flying unless they are expelled almost instantly.

The problem is that the US/EU has declined very sharply in the last 30 years. Financial crisises, Covid, and the woke competency crisis have seriously undermined them.

It is like two boxers. Boxer A was once the best, boxer B the second place holder. Boxer B had some alcoholism issues, and Boxer A had contracted every veneral disease known to men in the last few decades. But he doesn't realise yet that he had become so much weaker, because he can still punch out the old BPD cat lady.

Honestly I dont think either side is really capable of waging all out offensive wars at present.

America for reasons you listed and others
Russia mostly for logistical reasons. Their SMO is a fraction of the manpower of a fully mobilized nation and they already struggle to field their forces effectively.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

When are you enlisting, OP?

My country has to show me a good reason too and not tell me. And even then I'm too much of a weak retard to enlist anyways.

 

[Law]

I'm too much of a weak retard to enlist

Well, of course you are, with that attitude! I'm sure the corps would take ya! Call a recruiter today!

 

[Butterschmalz]

Cant wait for forced conscription in the west. The pandemic was kinda entertaining. But baby baby this is gonna be good: IDENTITY POLITICS (LGBT, BLM, George Floyd, etc etc.) + SOCIAL MEDIA + FORCED CONSCRIPTION = best social porn since WW2.

Specifically for the US: Are there gonna be mixed race divisions? Or is it gonna be racially segregated? And if yes, are the black battalions gonna be peeling potatoes and dig trenches for the white battalions?

How do you deploy the mutt army?

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Cant wait for forced conscription in the west.

You mean the return of draft dodging? I'm not dying, getting maimed or otherwise losing out on my life for some globohomo elite's wallet, and I doubt men like that are hard to find.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Modern armies are not like current day Russian army. People can continue harping on Niggers and Trannies but the USA doesn't lose 300000 men to take over a slav potato farm. You are choosing 100% getting ass raped in jail over a 1-2% of dying while protecting your family and community.

Nothing you say is going to contradict combat footage from Baghdad, Kuwait, and Vietnam.

 

[The Grognard]

Most "modern" armies don't have the deep reserves to handle a real war like the you see in Ukraine. The myths created in Desert Storm have lead to a silly notion that a few precision weapons are somehow superior to massed firepower and assumptions that you simply can use air power to resolve everything. Of course, as the War on Terror has shown that this simply can't work if the enemy refuses to break like Saddam's paper tiger army in 1991.

Even then, Ukraine only has stayed in this war because their supporters in the west have sent all available ammo to the point of detriment and degraded capacities of their own militaries. It also has shown that reliance on private suppliers and the modern military-industrial complex simply means that they simply are unwilling to expand production because they are in the business of making money and they can happily put the price as high as they want, because neoliberals still are under the notion that disrupting the free market is haram.

 

[Male Idiot]

Honestly I dont think either side is really capable of waging all out offensive wars at present.

America for reasons you listed and others
Russia mostly for logistical reasons. Their SMO is a fraction of the manpower of a fully mobilized nation and they already struggle to field their forces effectively.

Oh I don't disagree, but the Ukraine is for sure getting satellite guided himars on every ruski depot. In a full scale alaska-siberia Fallout, I expect those to be kesseled.

This may mean that any large scale war with satellites still in place will run into logistics nightmares.

 

[Doctor Love]

their SMO is a fraction of the manpower of a fully mobilized nation

Their SMO is just about equal to the Second World War prior to Barbarossa.