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I'd like to start off this thread by covering the basics, terms, fields, people and places
Then continue to elaborate on these people and their fallacious findings, cover terms in specific detail and then cover troon semantics, their talking points and fallacies they use when cornered. I hope that this thread will serve you all well
Note
Hard Science: a field where experiments and findings are the same no matter how many times studies and experiments no matter what
Soft Science: Fields that do not subject themselves to strict rules, rigor or scrunity, findings in these fields are subjective and are prone to human error as such
Pseudo-science/Quackery: Also known as bullshit, snake oil and simply bad science.
Everything under this umbrella is proven wrong when put under scientific scrunity
Fields. Unlike soft science quackery can dimissed by proof or using soft science
Biology: Hard science which encompasses genetics, anatomy and other sub categories or combinations with other hard science fields
Psychology: Soft Science, which includes behaviour, developmental and many other fields. Hard Science often mix with this one, where pharmacology meets psychology and created psychiatric practice.
Sexology: Quackery found in Weimar Republic in year 1919 in Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, This institute didn't subject itself to peer review, not even once. Whatever was left after third Reich burned the place was picked up by John Money who his fellow Pedophile Alfred Kinsey published series of papers and studies all of which are found on bad science and outright lies.
Terms
Gender: Term coined to be used by John Money in psychology to muddle the water between biological sex and subjective term of self reported or assigned identity
Sex: Biological terms for biological sex which has only two. Male and female.
Transgerism: Idea where series of delusional surgeries and hormones can turn a biological man into a woman and vice versa.
Gender affirming surgery/sex change: example how John Money's bullshit mixes in with real science. More of this later
Cisgender: people with chromosomal abnormalities instead of usual XY and XX pair these include Jacob's syndrome with XYY pairing and Klinefelter syndrome with XXY pair. These are two examples. Number of people with these mutations are less than 1% of world population. There are more to name to say the least, more in detail later.
People:
Alfred Kinsey
the father of sex ed in America and co creator of modern sexology with
John Money
Father of gender identity movement and co creator of modern sexology. Much like his buddy Alfred, John resorted to false reporting, outright lies and peer review.
Magnus Hirschfeld: German physician during Weimar Republic who created archaic sexology and performed first gender reassignment surgery in history.
Since he was only one of the transgerism trifecta with medical degree, John Money and Alfred Kinsey plagiarized the shit out of his work.
Places
Institut für Sexualwissenschaft
The institute and clinic where Magnus worked, sold passports to transvestite prostitutes and preformed first ever trans related surgery in history.
Kinsey Institute.
Mecca for transgenderism everything is done here and more John Money is in hall of fame.
Alright you fucking glownigger. Get to the point.
Modern transgerism is found on John Money's twin study on David Reimer, whose penis was mutilated after electronic circumcision device malfunctioned. David ever since young age had psychological issues since he couldn't compare to other boys or to his brother and father in this case, due to the fact he did not have a penis.
Long story short David's parents had the idea to bring David to John Money to give him help, since it was impossible to reconstruct a ruined phallus at the time.
Long story short after forcing two pre teen boys to have pretend sex, force David to wear girl's clothes and eventually take hormones to create fake breasts.
David snapped out of this phase as he got older, surgically removed the fake tits, then he got married, fully identified as a male and got married, later in life David developed schizophrenia likely caused by echelopathy caused by hormones he took.
Why does this matter you ask?
John Money was busy writing his study all the while omitting details and outright lying in paper. John Money didn't believe in biology at all and came up with the idea that gender identity is innate rather than
learned, John money wasn't a biologist and he ignored the fact he was treating a young boy with a ruined tallywhacker then proceeded to groom David and David's parents. Any behavioural psychologist worth their salt like Maslow would've called this out, but we are talking about a man who had a private practice and tried to normalize pedophilia, much like his buddy Kinsey, so he didn't have much of a moral compass.
This being 60s feminists during sexual revolution paraded John Money and his "research", which is why left leaning academia accepted this as a norm in United States. This is the bedrock of transgenderism.
No shit nigger, I knew that already. So now what.
Listen newfren. That was a mere refresher course. Now we will get to meat and potatoes of it all, deconstruction of Tranny arguments.
Others are longer and others are shorter. There are possible conversation you might have with someone, so I formatted then as such. Your answer to each claim is written below each one
The usual arguments
1. Gender is social construct!
Yes you're right gender is a term made up by a quack doctor. Gender is a nonsense term in psychology, there are only two major BIOLOGICAL sexes, male and female with few rare exceptions to this.
2. But trans identity is innate, it's genetic!
Closest correlation to this are specific genes that are found in homosexuals, there aren't ANY genetic proof that people are driven to attempt change their sex at onset.
3. But muh male and female brain
Debunked myth MRIs show male and female brains ONLY differ in size, you get either according to your sex Source chromosomes. If you have abnormalities, that doesn't make transgender ideology any more valid they're rare exceptions
4. But muh dysphoria
Get Therapy, self harm by proxy isn't healthy just because you feel like it isn't okay, nor is it a right choice.
5. Intersex make are trans!
People with chromosomal disorders didn't choose lose to in genetic lottery, not did they decide to lop off body parts in utero. Furthermore they didn't transition as TRANSgendism imply.
6. Sex spectrum is real!
No sorry you are either a man or a woman existence of that 1%~ (Source) does not make trans existence valid, you are born either as a man or a woman and you will die as sex you're born as. Sex spectrum is sexology and gender spectrum pretending to be scientific
7. But my top and bottom surgeries!
For MTF all you did was cutting a deep hole connect extra hole to your prostrate, something that is present in men only. Your colon seeps bacterial colonies into your neovag, causing festering and smelling infections. Your breasts are composed of fat and they can't lactate, if they're implants they're literal fake tits.
Sorry for FTM, scooping up your breasts and making a intermittent catheter covered with skin that grows hair. You won't grow chest hair and develop proper pectorals ever with permanent scar running across your chest where your breasts are supposed to be.
Even if you decide to remove your ovaries and womb you're still a woman
8. Well I identify as [insert gender, species and soul from Tumblr here]
Doesn't matter, playing pretend does not validate you, if you claim to be something else than human, prove it.
9. You just hate trans!
Okay.
Additional notes
Since there is no genetic evidence for trans identity, look underlying mental illnesses, disorders like Autism or Downs syndrome, all of which affect healthy sexual development.
To repeat myself cancer patients who have their prostate, breast ovum or womb for men respectively. Only parts of anatomy are missing. Surgeries do not change sex or make anyone more, less or something else entirely.
Since we established that trans identity is result of nurture, trauma, grooming, peer pressure, one's parents, schools and other transgenders spreading their anti science dogma like a religion.
If you feel like it mention to transgenders that their surgery obsessed ideology insult cancer survivors. They had to lop off organs to survive, transgender do surgeries for superficial reasons.
And if they say that HRT is necessary, mention insulin, immune suppressants for organ transplants, anti convulsants for epileptics and HAART using HIV victims. Transgender claim that pills that only cause superficial changes belong same group as these drugs.
This is a rough OP and I'll add sources and papers later when I have more time, also I'm writing this in a rush, so my grammar is atrocious.
I'd like to start off this thread by covering the basics, terms, fields, people and places
Then continue to elaborate on these people and their fallacious findings, cover terms in specific detail and then cover troon semantics, their talking points and fallacies they use when cornered. I hope that this thread will serve you all well
Note
Hard Science: a field where experiments and findings are the same no matter how many times studies and experiments no matter what
Soft Science: Fields that do not subject themselves to strict rules, rigor or scrunity, findings in these fields are subjective and are prone to human error as such
Pseudo-science/Quackery: Also known as bullshit, snake oil and simply bad science.
Everything under this umbrella is proven wrong when put under scientific scrunity
Fields. Unlike soft science quackery can dimissed by proof or using soft science
Biology: Hard science which encompasses genetics, anatomy and other sub categories or combinations with other hard science fields
Psychology: Soft Science, which includes behaviour, developmental and many other fields. Hard Science often mix with this one, where pharmacology meets psychology and created psychiatric practice.
Sexology: Quackery found in Weimar Republic in year 1919 in Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, This institute didn't subject itself to peer review, not even once. Whatever was left after third Reich burned the place was picked up by John Money who his fellow Pedophile Alfred Kinsey published series of papers and studies all of which are found on bad science and outright lies.
Terms
Gender: Term coined to be used by John Money in psychology to muddle the water between biological sex and subjective term of self reported or assigned identity
Sex: Biological terms for biological sex which has only two. Male and female.
Transgerism: Idea where series of delusional surgeries and hormones can turn a biological man into a woman and vice versa.
Gender affirming surgery/sex change: example how John Money's bullshit mixes in with real science. More of this later
Cisgender: people with chromosomal abnormalities instead of usual XY and XX pair these include Jacob's syndrome with XYY pairing and Klinefelter syndrome with XXY pair. These are two examples. Number of people with these mutations are less than 1% of world population. There are more to name to say the least, more in detail later.
People:
Alfred Kinsey
the father of sex ed in America and co creator of modern sexology with
John Money
Father of gender identity movement and co creator of modern sexology. Much like his buddy Alfred, John resorted to false reporting, outright lies and peer review.
Magnus Hirschfeld: German physician during Weimar Republic who created archaic sexology and performed first gender reassignment surgery in history.
Since he was only one of the transgerism trifecta with medical degree, John Money and Alfred Kinsey plagiarized the shit out of his work.
Places
Institut für Sexualwissenschaft
The institute and clinic where Magnus worked, sold passports to transvestite prostitutes and preformed first ever trans related surgery in history.
Kinsey Institute.
Mecca for transgenderism everything is done here and more John Money is in hall of fame.
Alright you fucking glownigger. Get to the point.
Modern transgerism is found on John Money's twin study on David Reimer, whose penis was mutilated after electronic circumcision device malfunctioned. David ever since young age had psychological issues since he couldn't compare to other boys or to his brother and father in this case, due to the fact he did not have a penis.
Long story short David's parents had the idea to bring David to John Money to give him help, since it was impossible to reconstruct a ruined phallus at the time.
Long story short after forcing two pre teen boys to have pretend sex, force David to wear girl's clothes and eventually take hormones to create fake breasts.
David snapped out of this phase as he got older, surgically removed the fake tits, then he got married, fully identified as a male and got married, later in life David developed schizophrenia likely caused by echelopathy caused by hormones he took.
Why does this matter you ask?
John Money was busy writing his study all the while omitting details and outright lying in paper. John Money didn't believe in biology at all and came up with the idea that gender identity is innate rather than
learned, John money wasn't a biologist and he ignored the fact he was treating a young boy with a ruined tallywhacker then proceeded to groom David and David's parents. Any behavioural psychologist worth their salt like Maslow would've called this out, but we are talking about a man who had a private practice and tried to normalize pedophilia, much like his buddy Kinsey, so he didn't have much of a moral compass.
This being 60s feminists during sexual revolution paraded John Money and his "research", which is why left leaning academia accepted this as a norm in United States. This is the bedrock of transgenderism.
No shit nigger, I knew that already. So now what.
Listen newfren. That was a mere refresher course. Now we will get to meat and potatoes of it all, deconstruction of Tranny arguments.
Others are longer and others are shorter. There are possible conversation you might have with someone, so I formatted then as such. Your answer to each claim is written below each one
The usual arguments
1. Gender is social construct!
Yes you're right gender is a term made up by a quack doctor. Gender is a nonsense term in psychology, there are only two major BIOLOGICAL sexes, male and female with few rare exceptions to this.
2. But trans identity is innate, it's genetic!
Closest correlation to this are specific genes that are found in homosexuals, there aren't ANY genetic proof that people are driven to attempt change their sex at onset.
3. But muh male and female brain
Debunked myth MRIs show male and female brains ONLY differ in size, you get either according to your sex Source chromosomes. If you have abnormalities, that doesn't make transgender ideology any more valid they're rare exceptions
4. But muh dysphoria
Get Therapy, self harm by proxy isn't healthy just because you feel like it isn't okay, nor is it a right choice.
5. Intersex make are trans!
People with chromosomal disorders didn't choose lose to in genetic lottery, not did they decide to lop off body parts in utero. Furthermore they didn't transition as TRANSgendism imply.
6. Sex spectrum is real!
No sorry you are either a man or a woman existence of that 1%~ (Source) does not make trans existence valid, you are born either as a man or a woman and you will die as sex you're born as. Sex spectrum is sexology and gender spectrum pretending to be scientific
7. But my top and bottom surgeries!
For MTF all you did was cutting a deep hole connect extra hole to your prostrate, something that is present in men only. Your colon seeps bacterial colonies into your neovag, causing festering and smelling infections. Your breasts are composed of fat and they can't lactate, if they're implants they're literal fake tits.
Sorry for FTM, scooping up your breasts and making a intermittent catheter covered with skin that grows hair. You won't grow chest hair and develop proper pectorals ever with permanent scar running across your chest where your breasts are supposed to be.
Even if you decide to remove your ovaries and womb you're still a woman
8. Well I identify as [insert gender, species and soul from Tumblr here]
Doesn't matter, playing pretend does not validate you, if you claim to be something else than human, prove it.
9. You just hate trans!
Okay.
Additional notes
Since there is no genetic evidence for trans identity, look underlying mental illnesses, disorders like Autism or Downs syndrome, all of which affect healthy sexual development.
To repeat myself cancer patients who have their prostate, breast ovum or womb for men respectively. Only parts of anatomy are missing. Surgeries do not change sex or make anyone more, less or something else entirely.
Since we established that trans identity is result of nurture, trauma, grooming, peer pressure, one's parents, schools and other transgenders spreading their anti science dogma like a religion.
If you feel like it mention to transgenders that their surgery obsessed ideology insult cancer survivors. They had to lop off organs to survive, transgender do surgeries for superficial reasons.
And if they say that HRT is necessary, mention insulin, immune suppressants for organ transplants, anti convulsants for epileptics and HAART using HIV victims. Transgender claim that pills that only cause superficial changes belong same group as these drugs.
This is a rough OP and I'll add sources and papers later when I have more time, also I'm writing this in a rush, so my grammar is atrocious.
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