Regarding the apparent and imminent repeal of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act and the future of this website.

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Cyclonus said:
This is article 13 all over again. These politicians are too stupid to understand that these measures will destroy most of the modern Internet. Youtube, reddit, Facebook, tumblr, all gone. Once regular people realise the ramifications they'll be after politicians heads. They'll have to backtrack eventually. Null, I can understand you taking the site down, but can we ask that you keep the back up saved somewhere so you can put it back up after the politicians inevitably back down?
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This seems like the most logical result should 230 actually be repealed. There have been temporary shutdowns of the Farms in the past (early 2017 being the first major one in my time as a member) and while that was for a different reason, we made it to the other side. I see no reason why this situation will be any different.
 
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Windex said:
a True and Honest erotomaniac with her own thread, here, posting this (admittedly prudent) comment, pretty much sums up (part) of what makes KF so unique.
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Not erotomaniac. No one wants to have sex with you or any other celebrity.

Cyclonus said:
This is article 13 all over again. These politicians are too stupid to understand that these measures will destroy most of the modern Internet. Youtube, reddit, Facebook, tumblr, all gone. Once regular people realise the ramifications they'll be after politicians heads. They'll have to backtrack eventually. Null, I can understand you taking the site down, but can we ask that you keep the back up saved somewhere so you can put it back up after the politicians inevitably back down?
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That's the idea.
 
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timewave0 said:
I legitimately do not understand the argument being put forward by people who believe this will resolve big tech censorship.
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Back in the day, corporations controlled pretty much all you saw in the media (what's on TV, what was published, what was on the radio, etc). Now they're trying to get that control online.
 
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Dearest @Null,

If this ends up being a nothingburger and we all got wound-up and teary-eyed over nothing, I demand a new trophy be created, worth exactly 1 point.

If on the other hand you are forced to shut down the site, I request a trophy be created worth 99999999999999999e (basically as large an integer as possible - especially if it causes something to break).

Your devoted fan,

Chris-chan Asperchu, esq.
 
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Cyclonus said:
these measures will destroy most of the modern Internet. Youtube, reddit, Facebook, tumblr, all gone.
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nonsense
big corporate sites will have no major problems. they'll update their moderation policies and practices so that any problematic content gets removed immediately when reported, and that's all they need to do to be in the clear
 
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DumbDude42 said:
nonsense
big corporate sites will have no major problems. they'll update their moderation policies and practices so that any problematic content gets removed immediately when reported, and that's all they need to do to be in the clear
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immediately will start streaming kafkatrap videos about how it’s unfair to erase the videos of black transgenders illegally clipping content from wrongthink conservative white streamers, even if such a thing has never happened. the question on how to deal with such artificial outrage content will make many people lose sleep while i, an internet moron, got a good laugh out of it.
 
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Truly, they were... a Kiwifarms™.
 
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the fall of man said:
the question on how to deal with such artificial outrage content will make many people lose sleep while i, an internet moron, got a good laugh out of it.
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nobody will lose sleep over it except the legal department at whatever corp you are targeting, and these dudes literally get paid six or seven figures to handle this shit so i doubt they'll be very bothered by it
 
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To those who think axing Section 230 will be the end of the internet, please consider Cubby vs. Compuserve. This was the case law that applied prior to Section 230, and will remain such (probably) if Section 230 is repealed.

To summarize: Cubby Inc. sued Compuserve for defamation because an unspecified user (Compuserve couldn't locate them, apparently) slandered Cubby. In the end, Compuserve was found innocent because they didn't moderate their forum in any capacity. The overall impact of the law essentially states that "if your website has jannies and tries to act like publishers, moderating content, then you are responsible for all content featured on your website. If you don't have those things and don't act like a publisher, you aren't responsible."

This is good news for you for two reasons.

  1. Should Section 230 be repealed, the reigning hydra of Silicone Valley will no longer have any freedom to moderate in an unbiased way (because it would, legally, behoove them to not moderate anything at all.) This is bad news for Null because he satisfies the role of 'publisher', chiefly by employing jannies and otherwise editorializing what's posted on Kiwifarms. The site will probably die.
  2. You won't need Kiwifarms. The moment Twitter (or whoever) ignores the letter of the law, tries to moderate, is found to be a publisher and takes a blow to the kidneys over the decision, all of these other censorship-prone platforms will throw up their hands and stop moderating anything. All the content this community compiles regarding their preferred lolcows may be freely hosted across numerous different websites. If the law can't find the original poster, there won't be any real way to take that content down.

Theoretically, Null can repurpose Kiwifarms into a sort of 'scrolling' website, not unlike a yotsuba imageboard. Conceptually, popular content would stay active; dead or floundering content would sink down the tubes and will delete itself automatically. This system would be automatic and thus not qualify as editorializing, nor would it require jannies (nor anyone besides Null, behind the scenes.) That's up to him however.

The point I'm making is this sensationalism over Section 230 is yet another redux of what we were fretting over in 2014. It will have a tangible effect, but your internet isn't going to die.
 
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crocodilian said:
To those who think axing Section 230 will be the end of the internet, please consider Cubby vs. Compuserve. This was the case law that applied prior to Section 230, and will remain such (probably) if Section 230 is repealed.

To summarize: Cubby Inc. sued Compuserve for defamation because an unspecified user (Compuserve couldn't locate them, apparently) slandered Cubby. In the end, Compuserve was found innocent because they didn't moderate their forum in any capacity. The overall impact of the law essentially states that "if your website has jannies and tries to act like publishers, moderating content, then you are responsible for all content featured on your website. If you don't have those things and don't act like a publisher, you aren't responsible."

This is good news for you for two reasons.

  1. Should Section 230 be repealed, the reigning hydra of Silicone Valley will no longer have any freedom to moderate in an unbiased way (because it would, legally, behoove them to not moderate anything at all.) This is bad news for Null because he satisfies the role of 'publisher', chiefly by employing jannies and otherwise editorializing what's posted on Kiwifarms. The site will probably die.
  2. You won't need Kiwifarms. The moment Twitter (or whoever) ignores the letter of the law, tries to moderate, is found to be a publisher and takes a blow to the kidneys over the decision, all of these other censorship-prone platforms will throw up their hands and stop moderating anything. All the content this community compiles regarding their preferred lolcows may be freely hosted across numerous different websites. If the law can't find the original poster, there won't be any real way to take that content down.

Theoretically, Null can repurpose Kiwifarms into a sort of 'scrolling' website, not unlike a yotsuba imageboard. Conceptually, popular content would stay active; dead or floundering content would sink down the tubes and will delete itself automatically. This system would be automatic and thus not qualify as editorializing, nor would it require jannies (nor anyone besides Null, behind the scenes.) That's up to him however.

The point I'm making is this sensationalism over Section 230 is yet another redux of what we were fretting over in 2014. It will have a tangible effect, but your internet isn't going to die.
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No. No. NO.

Section 230 is the only thing keeping smaller sites like this with a community afloat without much liability. If THAT goes, Null is liable for any suits he would get under Kiwi Farms and Lolcow LLC.

The only people who would afford such lawsuits is Big Tech. Facebook, Twitter, Google. So they would get more power AND moderation than what they have now.
 
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