Regarding the apparent and imminent repeal of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act and the future of this website.

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Yeah, I like most of his policies ,and will support a future Republican populist, but don't like his terrible attitude. I hope he doesn't run in 2024.
Unless he kicks the bucket or the Dems some how get his ass thrown in prison, he is absolutely going to try and run in 2024. He spent the past ~4 years constantly having hordes of goonies tripping over themselves to cover his ass and take a bullet for him- whether it be with lawsuits against him, investigations into him, or even his own impeachment. Now that he's gotten a taste of what genuine power is like he is going to scramble and do everything he possibly can to try and get that power back.

Unfortunately for him, he made a complete and utter ass out of the Republican Party as a whole, so I am eagerly awaiting the moment where a majority of them pull a 180 and hurl his fat, orange ass under a bus. :story:
 
He has retweeted his previous threat again, despite the bill currently sitting on his desk and able to be vetoed.

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This shit is making part of me hope Biden gets away with whatever election shenanigans he pulled. Every day it's looking like this orange nigger is just too stupid to live.
Biden has stated the same opinion as Trump on this issue. Did you miss that? Have we regressed back into the normie doldrums of political Manicheanism?
BTW at this point it is obvious that Biden (and Pelosi, and others) are just saying this threatening stuff to get the tech companies to regulate even more "so the government doesn't have to". That will be the excuse when Twitter and FB censor even more, because "we don't want the govt to regulate us for real".

Of all the scenarios in play, repealing 230 is and always was the least likely.
Vetoing the bill does not (and never could) mean that 230 goes away.
It was always just a way to kick things back to congress, at which point congress would deal with 230 or (obviously far more likely) vote the bill through with a veto-proof majority (which they've already done!).

This is and always was Trump putting on a show for his base, who hates Twitter.
People have been saying mean shit about Trump online for well over five years. You people think that suddenly it started bothering him?
Do you tune in to WWE and believe that THIS TIME Vince McMahon is REALLY mad for real for real and it's not an act?
If Trump cared about being called names--or cared about "protecting conservative speech online"--he would have done something way before the election.
That's sort of the problem with him, he doesn't care much about hardly anything that he pretends to care about. He puts on this act about being offended but his entire history has been putting on a show and reveling in the complaints about him, because on some level he still thinks all news is good news and if they're talking about you that's raw popularity.

Similarly, Biden and the Democrats are also only *pretending* to care about this, because they toe the line about how the internet has too much bullying and "hate" on it, and "the govt should regulate if Twitter won't clean up their act."

I mean, Null was right to be concerned about this, obviously, but it always seemed like a recipe for complete chaos and the way things have played out have been (in their own way) reassuring.

Don't you guys realize that Trump only CAN grandstand this way (for his base) BECAUSE the veto is meaningless and a symbolic act?
 
People have been saying mean shit about Trump online for well over five years. You people think that suddenly it started bothering him?
Do you tune in to WWE and believe that THIS TIME Vince McMahon is REALLY mad for real for real and it's not an act?
He's been extremely mad the whole time. He is the most thin-skinned pussy alive. So, yes, he's mad this time and he was mad those other times, too. The thing that worries me about Biden is he has been a Senator for forever. He knows the people and he has the connections, and he has a far better chance of sneaking something like this through than Trump does by throwing his feces and screaming. You'd get the repeal of 230 written into some other important bill, but do it in the House. The Senate would be tougher but who knows what could be accomplished with some sleazy horse-trading?

I think there's still strong bipartisan support in Congress for the general laissez-faire attitude towards the Internet that has made it possible for the U.S. to remain the predominant Internet force, but who knows? Things can always go bad.
 
So what exactly got Trump hung up on section 203?
Twitter put no-no words on his tweets and he's anally anguished over it. He'll really love it when they finally drop the banhammer on him on January 20.

That, plus YT, Facebook, and other sites have played censor and dirty pool. He's just too stupid to realize that removing their defense of Section 203 doesn't mean he'll win a lawsuit against them.

He's thinking ahead to lolsuits against Twitter once he's out of office.
 
This has been an amazing thing to watch go down. The only stinger is how his core supporters will inevitably see all this as his noble "rage against the dying of the light" moment instead of the absolute headass temper tantrum that it is.

I’ve never felt something as deeply as I feel this comment.
 
I read the lawsuits filed. I read the judges dissents. There is more misinformation in Trumps lawsuits than on the entire fucking Internet. We wouldn't need to revoke section 230 if he would just shut the fuck up and stop spreading vast quantities of horseshit. Him and his army of fucking cultists - its like trying to talk to Scientologists about Ron Hubbard.

Trump is making Ancient Aliens on the History Channel look somewhat plausible at this point. All this because the fact he uses diapers and has been caught literally shitting in front of a camera was revealed on twitter.

The only thick skin he has is the crusty hardened skin that gets trapped under his knees when he sits around.

If he told his followers that the moon was cheese, they'd be all over the internet to find some scientific study that suggested it was possible t thrust forward to critics.

What really pisses me off about Trump is that he actually did a decent job about 62% of the time, but the rest of his Presidency is just outrageous bullshit, and now, in about a month, we get four years of a legitimate retard running the show because Trump couldn't not say things. Say what you want about Trump. People went to work. Unemployment went down, paychecks grew like pot in Willie Nelson's backyard. Biden's just going to run around and be a jackass for 4 years, which sucks, but makes me kinda excited for the electoral anal fisting he''s sure to receive in 2024 from Lyin' Ted or whatever the fuck Trump's calling him this week. Because if you don't think Ted will run and get the nomination, you sorely underestimate the zodiac Killer.

Looking forward, I see Biden losing the House in 2022, losing the Senate (if he even has it then, we shall see.) and the Presidency in 2024. Cruz smacks him around in debates, and whoever Ted chooses as VP will probably just talk with Kamala for 3 hours in a debate no one fucking watches. If Biden doesn't make it to 2024 (the guy's a million years old) Kamala and Pelosi run a super unlikable ticket, Cruz and Insert Republican Minority Here sweep.
What legislation did he pass in 4 fucking years?

None. The only one was "Cut taxes" and deregulate. Wow. Genius. Gee why didn't I think of that?

A monkey could have done that. Obama could have done that. It isn't that hard, is it? You aren't coming up with sophisticated solutions, you are simply spending shit loads more and cutting revenues. Why not do it then? Every economist of note said do NOT do that because the USA had nothing in the tank left; we had a DANGEROUS situation with the Fed and it's toxic assets that had to be unwound to restore balance and confidence and you'd need to build back the capital base slowly. And YOUVE GO TO TAX SOMEONE TO REDUCE THE MONEY AND ASSETS or (heaven forbid you are stupid enough) you hyperinflate the USD to reduce it's purchasing power. But no one would be that stupid...ecept a guy who could afford to do it - Trump. So he spent like there was no tomorrow. Sorry, too fucking bad - that's the price you pay for the worlds reserve currency. You can print, but you've got to have control.

Shit, don't you think if you as a President could blow throw trillions of dollars and flood the economy with money they would not? So why the fuck didn't other Presidents not do it? They were told of the consequences. Its not a rocket scientist to go "Hey man, I'm just gonna make the treasury spend and make the Fed buy everything!" That's insanity, not genius. If tax breaks really work then have no fucking taxes. Duh.

Let me ask you - as a member of your family, if you take out a credit card and take out as many as you can to temporarily raise your "revenue to spend" in your house, it will make you a god damn hero for a year or so - lots of ice cream, goodies for the kids, nice new car...until the bank comes and takes your house.

Notice inflation? Notice the USD getting smacked on the FX? That's called payback and it was on the cards before Covid hit. Countries are reducing their debt by having their US denominated debt shrink in value of liability. Good for them. Shit for us.

The Fed tried to unwind the balance sheet late 2019 and the markets essentially signaled "Do it, and we've got nowhere to park money and you'll tank the economy for a decade". So instead they spent more essentially signaling to the world that the holder of the reserve currency was also going to become the bank and the receiver. Idiots think this is how it always has been - but it hasn't.

We spent more than anyone on Covid relief and barely kept up appearances on GDP - which without we would have nearly had a civil war due to unrest.

So spare me the "62%" of the time. There is a massive amount of USD out there and essentially the USD Bond is a junk bond with it being traded because no one wants to hold it when they expire in 30 years. Only the USA is dumb enough to offer a yield to get peoples money because it has no damn choice anymore. If it doesn't they sell no bonds - and now they essentially told the Fed - you buy them if there aren't buyers.

Why the fuck do you think Mitch McConnell is scared shitless about spending more? He could have passed a massive relief bill AT ANY TIME in the last few months to secure Trump a win in the election - "Look, Mr. Orange is handing out LOTS of money to you poor people!!! Give him a vote!" So why didn't he?

Because he fucking couldn't. He couldn't do it.

As a reserve currency it can't work. And Biden can't fix it either. Biden isn't here to clean up Trumps mess, he is here to take us through the storm so we come out the other side in bad shape - rather than dead in the water. Biden will not be flooding the country with money; and you will whine about it and wonder why he isn't doing it if Trump did do it. Well go to business school and find out why a company shouldn't act like that let alone a country. If anything Biden will do what has to be done do reduce the vast amounts of USD in the world and every country will pay something, but us mostly. Possibly the Fed will buy the Student Debt which actually would be a smart move as it is an asset you can get a lower margin of interest on (reduce the burden) and get something in return (Americans with education). Hell, Biden may get medical for all too - again another asset that gives a reasonable rate of return.

Biden won't see a 2nd term because his job is going to be controlling an economy that is already on the rocks. At least he is mature enough to know what his job in history will actually be about. A one-term guy, and prevent a collapse, but endure the inevitable failure.
 
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Shit, don't you think if you as a President could blow throw trillions of dollars and flood the economy with money they would not? So why the fuck didn't other Presidents not do it? They were told of the consequences. Its not a rocket scientist to go "Hey man, I'm just gonna make the treasury spend and make the Fed buy everything!" That's insanity, not genius. If tax breaks really work then have no fucking taxes. Duh.
It was the economic equivalent of figging an old horse to make it look more lively. And Biden will inherit it. Maybe that's his secret plan to Grover Cleveland his way back in in 2024.
 
What really pisses me off about Trump is that he actually did a decent job about 62% of the time, but the rest of his Presidency is just outrageous bullshit, and now, in about a month, we get four years of a legitimate retard running the show because Trump couldn't not say things. Say what you want about Trump. People went to work. Unemployment went down, paychecks grew like pot in Willie Nelson's backyard. Biden's just going to run around and be a jackass for 4 years, which sucks, but makes me kinda excited for the electoral anal fisting he''s sure to receive in 2024 from Lyin' Ted or whatever the fuck Trump's calling him this week. Because if you don't think Ted will run and get the nomination, you sorely underestimate the zodiac Killer.

Looking forward, I see Biden losing the House in 2022, losing the Senate (if he even has it then, we shall see.) and the Presidency in 2024. Cruz smacks him around in debates, and whoever Ted chooses as VP will probably just talk with Kamala for 3 hours in a debate no one fucking watches. If Biden doesn't make it to 2024 (the guy's a million years old) Kamala and Pelosi run a super unlikable ticket, Cruz and Insert Republican Minority Here sweep.
What legislation did he pass in 4 fucking years?

None. The only one was "Cut taxes" and deregulate. Wow. Genius. Gee why didn't I think of that?

A monkey could have done that. Obama could have done that. It isn't that hard, is it? You aren't coming up with sophisticated solutions, you are simply spending shit loads more and cutting revenues. Why not do it then? Every economist of note said do NOT do that because the USA had nothing in the tank left; we had a DANGEROUS situation with the Fed and it's toxic assets that had to be unwound to restore balance and confidence and you'd need to build back the capital base slowly. And YOUVE GO TO TAX SOMEONE TO REDUCE THE MONEY AND ASSETS or (heaven forbid you are stupid enough) you hyperinflate the USD to reduce it's purchasing power. But no one would be that stupid...ecept a guy who could afford to do it - Trump. So he spent like there was no tomorrow. Sorry, too fucking bad - that's the price you pay for the worlds reserve currency. You can print, but you've got to have control.

Shit, don't you think if you as a President could blow throw trillions of dollars and flood the economy with money they would not? So why the fuck didn't other Presidents not do it? They were told of the consequences. Its not a rocket scientist to go "Hey man, I'm just gonna make the treasury spend and make the Fed buy everything!" That's insanity, not genius. If tax breaks really work then have no fucking taxes. Duh.

Let me ask you - as a member of your family, if you take out a credit card and take out as many as you can to temporarily raise your "revenue to spend" in your house, it will make you a god damn hero for a year or so - lots of ice cream, goodies for the kids, nice new car...until the bank comes and takes your house.

Notice inflation? Notice the USD getting smacked on the FX? That's called payback and it was on the cards before Covid hit. Countries are reducing their debt by having their US denominated debt shrink in value of liability. Good for them. Shit for us.

The Fed tried to unwind the balance sheet late 2019 and the markets essentially signaled "Do it, and we've got nowhere to park money and you'll tank the economy for a decade". So instead they spent more essentially signaling to the world that the holder of the reserve currency was also going to become the bank and the receiver. Idiots think this is how it always has been - but it hasn't.

We spent more than anyone on Covid relief and barely kept up appearances on GDP - which without we would have nearly had a civil war due to unrest.

So spare me the "62%" of the time. There is a massive amount of USD out there and essentially the USD Bond is a junk bond with it being traded because no one wants to hold it when they expire in 30 years. Only the USA is dumb enough to offer a yield to get peoples money because it has no damn choice anymore. If it doesn't they sell no bonds - and now they essentially told the Fed - you buy them if there aren't buyers.

Why the fuck do you think Mitch McConnell is scared shitless about spending more? He could have passed a massive relief bill AT ANY TIME in the last few months to secure Trump a win in the election - "Look, Mr. Orange is handing out LOTS of money to you poor people!!! Give him a vote!" So why didn't he?

Because he fucking couldn't. He couldn't do it.

As a reserve currency it can't work. And Biden can't fix it either. Biden isn't here to clean up Trumps mess, he is here to take us through the storm so we come out the other side in bad shape - rather than dead in the water. Biden will not be flooding the country with money; and you will whine about it and wonder why he isn't doing it if Trump did do it. Well go to business school and find out why a company shouldn't act like that let alone a country. If anything Biden will do what has to be done do reduce the vast amounts of USD in the world and every country will pay something, but us mostly. Possibly the Fed will buy the Student Debt which actually would be a smart move as it is an asset you can get a lower margin of interest on (reduce the burden) and get something in return (Americans with education). Hell, Biden may get medical for all too - again another asset that gives a reasonable rate of return.

Biden won't see a 2nd term because his job is going to be controlling an economy that is already on the rocks. At least he is mature enough to know what his job in history will actually be about. A one-term guy, and prevent a collapse, but endure the inevitable failure.
Firstly, please spare me the "Biden is super duper mature" bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about that disgusting geriatric pedophile knows he can't spell his goddamn name, let alone "fix" an economy or "prevent" a "collapse." If you actually expect him to do anything other than just try to pass radical reforms and set the groundwork for Socialism in America, for the sake of honesty, Bidumb ain't your guy. If anything, he (or, rather, the puppeteers controlling him) will simply give away college and healthcare with bullshit Bernie Sanders "free money" programs.

If you're so concerned about robbing Peter to pay Paul, you should be scared shitless of Biden, Mr. Economist.

I don't think your issue is with Trump here, (although you may be convinced it is.) The fact is that we've been spending money we don't have for about 80 years, since FDR pretty much just got us out of the Depression on a credit card, and we as a nation have done fuck-all to stop things from spiraling out of control. The Federal Reserve is one of the worst ideas ever introduced, and should be handily abolished.

As for Trump, did you see how much Obama spent? He didn't exactly have a "guilt-free" stimulus, that's for sure.

I think tax breaks are a good thing, but there does need to be revenue coming in if spending continues at the rate it is. I personally support a flat tax.
 
What really pisses me off about Trump is that he actually did a decent job about 62% of the time, but the rest of his Presidency is just outrageous bullshit, and now, in about a month, we get four years of a legitimate retard running the show because Trump couldn't not say things. Say what you want about Trump. People went to work. Unemployment went down, paychecks grew like pot in Willie Nelson's backyard. Biden's just going to run around and be a jackass for 4 years, which sucks, but makes me kinda excited for the electoral anal fisting he''s sure to receive in 2024 from Lyin' Ted or whatever the fuck Trump's calling him this week. Because if you don't think Ted will run and get the nomination, you sorely underestimate the zodiac Killer.

Looking forward, I see Biden losing the House in 2022, losing the Senate (if he even has it then, we shall see.) and the Presidency in 2024. Cruz smacks him around in debates, and whoever Ted chooses as VP will probably just talk with Kamala for 3 hours in a debate no one fucking watches. If Biden doesn't make it to 2024 (the guy's a million years old) Kamala and Pelosi run a super unlikable ticket, Cruz and Insert Republican Minority Here sweep.

Firstly, please spare me the "Biden is super duper mature" bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about that disgusting geriatric pedophile knows he can't spell his goddamn name, let alone "fix" an economy or "prevent" a "collapse." If you actually expect him to do anything other than just try to pass radical reforms and set the groundwork for Socialism in America, for the sake of honesty, Bidumb ain't your guy. If anything, he (or, rather, the puppeteers controlling him) will simply give away college and healthcare with bullshit Bernie Sanders "free money" programs.

If you're so concerned about robbing Peter to pay Paul, you should be scared shitless of Biden, Mr. Economist.

I don't think your issue is with Trump here, (although you may be convinced it is.) The fact is that we've been spending money we don't have for about 80 years, since FDR pretty much just got us out of the Depression on a credit card, and we as a nation have done fuck-all to stop things from spiraling out of control. The Federal Reserve is one of the worst ideas ever introduced, and should be handily abolished.

As for Trump, did you see how much Obama spent? He didn't exactly have a "guilt-free" stimulus, that's for sure.

I think tax breaks are a good thing, but there does need to be revenue coming in if spending continues at the rate it is. I personally support a flat tax.
I love a free forum to say what I want and to get bashed, that's OK. But Biden is an adult; anyone who has studied the mans past, what he has said and what he has done knows he is an actual adult and a stark contrast to Trump who perhaps shares with Biden age; but that is about it.

Economics is a gigantic subject; but principles hold true regardless. And as I said, Biden won't be capable of altering the laws of economics anymore than Trump could; but that doesn't mean he will disregard them entirely as Trump did.

I suspect things will get trimmer under Biden; but I support some socialist policies that have worked quite well in other countries when it comes to education and healthcare and I would be unlikely to garnish any support on this forum for those ideas so they aren't really worth arguing the benefits of.

Really, the capitalist structure here is a form of socialism for corporates anyways, and the socialist programs that do get passed here are highly abused - such as medicaid and medicare and corporate subsidization. But there are reasons for this primarily related to the how they are structured rather than anything else. I.E. in another country a regular surgery might be $5,000 cost to the government but here it is $50,000 - and it is often inferior. So we can't compare Kia's to LandRovers when discussing "socialism" as it is too vast a subject.

On another note I know of republicans personally that I deal with often and they are a miserable lot since the election and I guess I would be too if my guy lost. Having half the population feel like their beliefs have been snubbed is never a great thing, so I do feel empathy for their loss - their great hope was dashed, so I'm not going to have a party of their grave. But I still might have a tap dance here and there.
 
But Biden is an adult; anyone who has studied the mans past, what he has said and what he has done knows he is an actual adult and a stark contrast to Trump who perhaps shares with Biden age; but that is about it.
Hey fat, I challenge you to a push-up contest.

Really sounds like something an adult who is secure with themselves would say.
 
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I love a free forum to say what I want and to get bashed, that's OK. But Biden is an adult; anyone who has studied the mans past, what he has said and what he has done knows he is an actual adult and a stark contrast to Trump who perhaps shares with Biden age; but that is about it.

Economics is a gigantic subject; but principles hold true regardless. And as I said, Biden won't be capable of altering the laws of economics anymore than Trump could; but that doesn't mean he will disregard them entirely as Trump did.

I suspect things will get trimmer under Biden; but I support some socialist policies that have worked quite well in other countries when it comes to education and healthcare and I would be unlikely to garnish any support on this forum for those ideas so they aren't really worth arguing the benefits of.

Really, the capitalist structure here is a form of socialism for corporates anyways, and the socialist programs that do get passed here are highly abused - such as medicaid and medicare and corporate subsidization. But there are reasons for this primarily related to the how they are structured rather than anything else. I.E. in another country a regular surgery might be $5,000 cost to the government but here it is $50,000 - and it is often inferior. So we can't compare Kia's to LandRovers when discussing "socialism" as it is too vast a subject.

On another note I know of republicans personally that I deal with often and they are a miserable lot since the election and I guess I would be too if my guy lost. Having half the population feel like their beliefs have been snubbed is never a great thing, so I do feel empathy for their loss - their great hope was dashed, so I'm not going to have a party of their grave. But I still might have a tap dance here and there.
Fair point.

At the same time, I think that "studying what Biden has said" may not work to Dems' benefits anymore, considering the man talked about pony soldiers, made up a story about Corn Pop to connect with black voters, challenged a guy to a push up contest, and said a litany of stupid and unintelligible shit. The man's functionally retarded. Say what you will about Trump being offensive; I understood what in the holy mother of fuck he was saying half the time. That being said, Trump said some pretty abhorrent (and by that I mean fucking hilarious) shit, and that I am forced to condemn.

On to socialism; I'm very much against "Medicare for all" because of the atrocities we see in Canada. Rationed care, staggering wait times (that literally have been called a violation of human rights) and some pretty shitty care. America is similar in demographics, population, etc. and I'm afraid we'll fuck it up as bad as they did.

That being said, I get it. I think by Socialism, I mean ACTUAL socialism, where Government takes control of market functions and steers the economy directly as opposed to a primarily regulation-based form of economic involvement. Actual socialism will never work, no matter how hard it's tried.
 
On another note I know of republicans personally that I deal with often and they are a miserable lot since the election and I guess I would be too if my guy lost. Having half the population feel like their beliefs have been snubbed is never a great thing, so I do feel empathy for their loss - their great hope was dashed, so I'm not going to have a party of their grave. But I still might have a tap dance here and there.
I can't even pretend to feel bad for any of these people, not even a little bit!

They bet everything they had on just about the biggest fucking loser imaginable:
>The 'loyal husband' with 3 failed marriages and dozens of prostitutes paid to stay silent.
>The 'brilliant businessman' with 6 bankruptcies, 13 failed businesses, and ~1.1 Billion dollars of debt.
>The 'brave patriot' who pretended to have goddamn bone spurs so he could dodge the draft 5 TIMES.

These people saw Trump and his whole ass track record and still thought "Yeah, let's put this guy in office, this couldn't possibly end poorly for us!"... they all got exactly what they were asking for. :|
 
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I can't even pretend to feel bad for any of these people, not even a little bit!

They bet everything they had on just about the biggest fucking loser imaginable:
>The 'loyal husband' with 3 failed marriages and dozens of prostitutes paid to stay silent.
>The 'brilliant businessman' with 6 bankruptcies, 13 failed businesses, and ~1.1 Billion dollars of debt.
>The 'brave patriot' who pretended to have goddamn bone spurs so he could dodge the draft 5 TIMES.

These people saw Trump and his whole ass track record and still thought "Yeah, let's put this guy in office, this couldn't possibly end poorly for us!"... they all got exactly what they were asking for. :|
Funny that allot of people where "yeah we voted him because he was the 'outsider' in politics" didn't realize instead of voting in some political shill they voted in some corpo dirtbag.
 
They bet everything they had on just about the biggest fucking loser imaginable:
>The 'loyal husband' with 3 failed marriages and dozens of prostitutes paid to stay silent.
>The 'brilliant businessman' with 6 bankruptcies, 13 failed businesses, and ~1.1 Billion dollars of debt.
>The 'brave patriot' who pretended to have goddamn bone spurs so he could dodge the draft 5 TIMES.
And this was all before he got into office.
 
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