Religious Decline and Old Tactics - Do modern people find standard appeals unconvincing?

[Mewtwo_Rain]

In regards to the original post, no. I don't think so. I think it's the capitulation to low IQ tactics that have hurt religions than the old style (such as brimstone/harsher teachings.) What has killed most religious devout enthusiasm from what I udnerstand is the sugar coating bull and trying to push to much niceness and tolerance. It's also seen the rise of feminism and a few other choice ideologies appear within its teachings which has forced people out.

The reason it has nothing to do with smarter people or dumber people is dumb people will go right along with socities whims and this anti-religion creep is being adopted by the normies and masses. Now do not take this the wrong way but I believe some religion is required to prevent immorality from leading society into degeneracy back when I was younger many atheist partook in the church going for the sake of the community and children and I'd be lying to say it wasn't better then than now with the anti-social creep and degeneracy increase.

Secularism was adopted because it sounded good on paper but in practice hasn't panned out, and many atheist are too prideful to admit they were wrong and it questions their intelligence whether they were frauds all along.

Sermons long term were supposed to be allegory references and lessons for life using religious text as an example to push how to live a little wiser. I mean back in the 90's a common idea was the "don't judge a book by its cover" and "just because everyone else does X doesn't mean you should too" and surprisingly those still hold up well today despite most of society doing the exact opposite and playing the part of fools.

It has little to do with people not being entertained with oneself, because looking at the western world we've become anti-social even outside the religious orders and circles. Religion for all intents was a tool of control that originally had good basis, but now has been avoided and well we see the result. Now it just comes to whether people will swallow their pride or go full degenerate and swallow something else that will end up far worse in scope. I'd prefer the former, but most people can't handle being wrong and would willingly take the latter just to deny the mistake many made. The churches adapted but have taken the worst ideologies and adopted them. So now religion is failing, and I don't think there's any easy way to close the box again once it has been opened.

 

[Fek]

Religious decline is the fault of man and his giving into temptation. Whether that be the everyman deciding he agrees with [celebrity] talking about how "church is just too gosh darn stuffy and boring, so who needs it?", or entire branches of Christianity being subverted by forces hellbent on removing its influence from the world, both are of no fault of the scripture itself.

Just to point out a fraction of the corruption:
-Catholicism has been subverted slowly going back many, many generations and now serves as a declining but useful tool of control exercised by the elite. They even had a Pope not too long ago that was of jewish ancestry.
-Protestant faiths haven't escaped the subversion either, as dispensationalism is pushed out to the masses via heretical seminary schools setup by the American branch of the elite.
-Zionism spreads like wildfire from mega-churches and clueless idiot boomers giving all their money away to (the jewish) god's chosen people, which also is the antithesis of scripture. This is sponsored even at the highest levels of our government (lest we forget the somewhat recent passing of Billy Graham).
-Many branches of the faith now sponsor female pastors, which is in direct contradiction to the book they claim to hold in such high regard.
-Ridiculous "cool kids club" churches that focus far more on trying to market the faith by distorting it via flashing lights, loud music, and other such nonsense. Some have practicing bordering on (or straight up embracing) Christian mysticism, which is a twisted mockery of what scripture states.

This and much, much more has been allowed to pass under the (lack of) watch of men who have given in to temptation. This most recent iteration of the cycle (this has happened before) did not just happen overnight. It took many generations stretching back to the times prior to even Nietzsche himself, who is still a very useful milestone given his observations.

Spoiler: TL;DR

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I think the main reason religion has lost much of it's influence in the developed world is because it can no longer keep up with how people now live their lives, the information they now have access to, or how most people now think about the world as a consequence of their material circumstances.

You have to remember that prior to the industrial revolution, most people were menial farm workers; society simply didn't place the same emphasis on critical thinking or knowledge as it does today, and education was a luxury primarily limited to the clergy and the aristocracy. If you were lucky enough to be literate at all, the chances are the only thing you'd ever get the opportunity to read was religious scripture, and the community around you was close-knit enough that you'd have very little incentive to want to question any of it, even if you were somehow equipped with enough education to do so.

It should hardly be surprising that faith and revelation might have seemed more compelling to people in pre-industrial times than they are to people today. Our way of life, level of education, and scope of knowledge have all been completely transformed by mechanization.

 

[Ishtar]

One other aspect is you have to a certain mindset to be interested in religion. If your by nature a more greedy, materialistic or otherwise non spiritual person you are going to have less reasons to grace a church. In pre modern times you went out of social obligation if not outright law.

Now, you have to be someone that has an individual interest in the divine. And that is a much much smaller segment of the population.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The only two choices for religions in the case of social/technological changes is either to adapt or to stick to their beliefs without moving. At least how it looks to me, Christianity just can't decide what to pick so it comes up as a joke and not something worthy of basing a large part of your identity on.
Good example is the gays, either keep it so that homosexuality is a major sin or find some line in the new testament about how it's okay to suck cock. Instead they go "oh wait gays are accepted now, we don't need to look for a justification in the holy text we base out entire religion on, don't worry that will never happen again".

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

The only two choices for religions in the case of social/technological changes is either to adapt or to stick to their beliefs without moving. At least how it looks to me, Christianity just can't decide what to pick so it comes up as a joke and not something worthy of basing a large part of your identity on.
Good example is the gays, either keep it so that homosexuality is a major sin or find some line in the new testament about how it's okay to suck cock. Instead they go "oh wait gays are accepted now, we don't need to look for a justification in the holy text we base out entire religion on, don't worry that will never happen again".

That really doesn't help yeah, though on the whole most people don't have gays in their family to actually give a shit about so it only really comes up when it starts being a problem for someone.

A big problem is though that what they are talking about is just...Well. Irrelevant.

In a world where the Emperor was on high, could and would inflict casual cruelty for the sake of his own authority at best or at worst for his own pleasure it really wasn't hard to conceive of another world where someone would torture you forever just because. But just like in reality, provided you sucked the Emperor's cock enough maybe, just maybe, he might want to show you favor.

Now that we do not live in a world where Presidents and Prime Ministers can't burn down your house and rape all your daughters because of a perceived slight real or imagined; this paradigm doesn't work. There is no big bad we need saving from, neither is there a supreme authority who must be appeased or else.

It's just all so very antiquated. That's not to say religion itself is inherently antiquated, neopaganism is actually doing rather well in some places like Scandanavia and with sole exception to that time at the end of World War Two where the Americans pondered executing Hirohito, and thus ending the divine lineage of Amaterasu, Shinto at no point has ever considered itself under threat.

Religions are manifestations of society of culture, and like it or not different denominations are open survivals of many different historical cultures. The influence of Romanitas and the Imperial Cult in Catholicism is undeniable, Lutheranism is at the core very German and Protestant work ethics, Fundamentalism has that American aura of self importance baked in.

Some flavours of Christianity are doing rather well, because like in Africa the religion resonates with the people and their concerns. Many authoritarian denoninations today however traditional or "right" in as much they have changed the least have nothing that even vaugley aligns with the Greek polis like chaos that is the Western World.

And unlike before, they have nothing to present that could make them look like a reasonable alternative. Even worse, they have a lot of baggage to suggest they're an even worse one.

This isn't a gloat, and I'm not saying it's hopeless. I'm agreeing they need a direction, but more than that they need to reconnect with the people within and around them.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

First of all,

In a world where the Emperor was on high, could and would inflict casual cruelty for the sake of his own authority at best or at worst for his own pleasure it really wasn't hard to conceive of another world where someone would torture you forever just because. But just like in reality, provided you sucked the Emperor's cock enough maybe, just maybe, he might want to show you favor.

Now that we do not live in a world where Presidents and Prime Ministers can't burn down your house and rape all your daughters because of a perceived slight real or imagined; this paradigm doesn't work. There is no big bad we need saving from, neither is there a supreme authority who must be appeased or else.

If anything that's truer now than in the past. In the past everything that's beyond your hamlet and local lord might as well not exist and the lord has no reason to fuck around with the peasants as long as they remain productive. Nowdays if you make the wrong tweet some idiot with billionaire parents will make sure every facet of your life is destroyed without any ability to recovery.

Now back for the main reply:

That really doesn't help yeah, though on the whole most people don't have gays in their family to actually give a shit about so it only really comes up when it starts being a problem for someone.

A big problem is though that what they are talking about is just...Well. Irrelevant.

In a world where the Emperor was on high, could and would inflict casual cruelty for the sake of his own authority at best or at worst for his own pleasure it really wasn't hard to conceive of another world where someone would torture you forever just because. But just like in reality, provided you sucked the Emperor's cock enough maybe, just maybe, he might want to show you favor.

Now that we do not live in a world where Presidents and Prime Ministers can't burn down your house and rape all your daughters because of a perceived slight real or imagined; this paradigm doesn't work. There is no big bad we need saving from, neither is there a supreme authority who must be appeased or else.

It's just all so very antiquated. That's not to say religion itself is inherently antiquated, neopaganism is actually doing rather well in some places like Scandanavia and with sole exception to that time at the end of World War Two where the Americans pondered executing Hirohito, and thus ending the divine lineage of Amaterasu, Shinto at no point has ever considered itself under threat.

Religions are manifestations of society of culture, and like it or not different denominations are open survivals of many different historical cultures. The influence of Romanitas and the Imperial Cult in Catholicism is undeniable, Lutheranism is at the core very German and Protestant work ethics, Fundamentalism has that American aura of self importance baked in.

Some flavours of Christianity are doing rather well, because like in Africa the religion resonates with the people and their concerns. Many authoritarian denoninations today however traditional or "right" in as much they have changed the least have nothing that even vaugley aligns with the Greek polis like chaos that is the Western World.

And unlike before, they have nothing to present that could make them look like a reasonable alternative. Even worse, they have a lot of baggage to suggest they're an even worse one.

This isn't a gloat, and I'm not saying it's hopeless. I'm agreeing they need a direction, but more than that they need to reconnect with the people within and around them.

If anything today the powers moving in your world are far scarier in the past. Back then you only needed to hope for decent weather and that's about it, nowadays we are all dependent on production chains that could snap at any moment due to politics outside of our control and there is no way you'd be self reliant. Nevermind that our confidence and trust in our neighbors is near zero and we are blasted by fearful messages about different sources of danger every waking moment.

In the face of a lack of safety, community and understanding, people will always flock into religion, but as it is in the west it's lacking (due to the reason I've seen earlier). So people flock into alternatives, which are primarily consoomerism and politics which are the "new" religions.

 

[Fek]

The only two choices for religions in the case of social/technological changes is either to adapt or to stick to their beliefs without moving. At least how it looks to me, Christianity just can't decide what to pick so it comes up as a joke and not something worthy of basing a large part of your identity on.

This is by design. The less people who are faithful to Christ, the easier it is for the world of man to become god in the eyes of the masses instead. The elite are forever plagued with the issue of being unable to take their wealth with them when they die, so they seek to achieve the impossible: to supplant God. It's much harder to get away with that shit if you are dealing with people who shield themselves against the sway of materialism/consumerism/multiculturalism/diversity/hedonism/woke bullshit/etc.

Speaking of degeneracy:

Good example is the gays, either keep it so that homosexuality is a major sin or find some line in the new testament about how it's okay to suck cock. Instead they go "oh wait gays are accepted now, we don't need to look for a justification in the holy text we base out entire religion on, don't worry that will never happen again".

This nods back to what I stated in my previous post. The corruption of the church has allowed man to take the "easy" way out and simply not take a stand on the matter either way. You can witness similar behavior when approaching joe normie about literally any current event topic and receiving in reply a simple shrug followed with "yeah, well, what can ya do?" as though he is powerless or lacking free will.

It should hardly be surprising that faith and revelation might have seemed more compelling to people in pre-industrial times than they are to people today. Our way of life, level of education, and scope of knowledge have all been completely transformed by mechanization.

If anything, modern life should make people feel more compelled than ever to return to Christ. I would grant you that good times certainly make it easy to feel as though one is above such needs, but those good times are rapidly coming to an end. The access to information freely available at the press of a few keystrokes should have a similar effect (you can readily look up exactly what the elite have been planning and continue to plan for the unwashed masses on their own flippin' websites), but as I already mentioned: joe normie does not use the tools he is given too terribly well.

I think the main reason religion has lost much of it's influence in the developed world is because it can no longer keep up with how people now live their lives, the information they now have access to, or how most people now think about the world as a consequence of their material circumstances.

Spoiler: But at what cost?

Now that we do not live in a world where Presidents and Prime Ministers can't burn down your house and rape all your daughters because of a perceived slight real or imagined; this paradigm doesn't work. There is no big bad we need saving from, neither is there a supreme authority who must be appeased or else.

@wtfNeedSignUp already pretty much nailed anything I was going to say to this. I would argue there is actually quite possibly the absolute worst "big bad" humanity has ever seen before in the history of our species in the works right now, and it is going to become increasingly harder to simply handwave it away or remain ignorant in the coming years. I don't even say this as though I'm some scholar or anything, but I'd really urge you to learn up on history. The kind you don't just learn from skimming wikipedia. It'll help you a great deal in the days ahead.

In the face of a lack of safety, community and understanding, people will always flock into religion, but as it is in the west it's lacking (due to the reason I've seen earlier). So people flock into alternatives, which are primarily consoomerism and politics which are the "new" religions.

You can't leave people alone for very long before they start worshiping false idols. Even the more religious happy merchants and goat fuckers would agree with that one, I'd hope.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

First of all,

If anything that's truer now than in the past. In the past everything that's beyond your hamlet and local lord might as well not exist and the lord has no reason to fuck around with the peasants as long as they remain productive. Nowdays if you make the wrong tweet some idiot with billionaire parents will make sure every facet of your life is destroyed without any ability to recovery.

With the greatest of respect, as loud and over represented as woke trannies and voices of color are online they don't have power themselves.

Certainly, they dominate cyber space and they can and do randomly cause real world manifestations of chaos.

Twitter told bongistan the world would end if the UK left the EU. They left anyway.

Twitter told everyone it was her turn in the US. Reality disagreed and orange man was elected.

Twitter told everyone that riding with biden would see reparations for slavery. Again, reality disagreed.

People in France are still being told the EU is the best hope for Europe. Reality disagreed and even Macron is calling for less Europe to save his own political career.

You can enforce all the positive discrimination laws you like mandating a certain number of disabled black whoymxn for every business. There's always going to be a way around it. I don't tell the wokonese non binary who approach me for research tutorship I'm not interested because they're a mentally unstable stink ditch, I tell them it's because "I don't have the subject specialist connections for this topic", "I feel this topic really needs female leadership" or "My publishing commitments prevent me from taking on further obligations". Businesses if they wish can find excuses not to indulge in leftism, hence why it's usually the public sector that does this shit and unfortunately also has 90% of the airtime.

Also, comparing a woke Twitter tranny and their horde of faghags to a Roman Emperor who might decide to put an entire city to death because he didn't like his birthday present from them? Cancel culture is irksome, but even they haven't got the power to salt the earth of Carthage.

Most of society are not twitterati, you can be cancelled from line circles but that is not the end in all sectors.

Now back for the main reply:

If anything today the powers moving in your world are far scarier in the past. Back then you only needed to hope for decent weather and that's about it, nowadays we are all dependent on production chains that could snap at any moment due to politics outside of our control and there is no way you'd be self reliant. Nevermind that our confidence and trust in our neighbors is near zero and we are blasted by fearful messages about different sources of danger every waking moment.

In the face of a lack of safety, community and understanding, people will always flock into religion, but as it is in the west it's lacking (due to the reason I've seen earlier). So people flock into alternatives, which are primarily consoomerism and politics which are the "new" religions.

The sources of danger are there and real.

Young girls out in the early hours should be wary of being attacked. Is this fair? No, but it's realistic and many of them prepare accordingly for a real threat.

There is real and empirical evidence that rape happens to people of both sexes. There is no empirical evidence that unless you murder someone on a Mexican pyramid the sun will not rise.

People do still have concerns and fears, but religions are not ministering to those fears. They're talking about holes filled in centuries ago, or things nobody even cares about.

If someone had a solution to prevent violence against women, people would flock to hear it as they do every day on twitter. Nobody wants to hear your fix for original sin conversely because it's just utterly irrelevant.

Is this morally right? That's neither here nor there for the present purposes. But we can clearly see where religious groups are failing to capture public imagination, groups like Pride and BLM are doing a remarkably good job at gathering hordes for a sermon.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

What's the point of the church if it has no faithful? It might as well be called a fucking guild at that point, or a social club, like a Chinese tong.

Seems a bit sad that the "religion" has to exist basically in name only if that's the case.

A church, IMO, is merely a symbol even if there are no practitioners entering the space. I believe in a God, some higher being than us an architect of what is and ever will be, and it is nice to see shrines of others who are faithful. I don't think there is anything more or less sad about a church with no practitioners than a gravestone forgotten in time. Spirituality and religion should be something that stays within the family and is personal. I grew up Catholic and never understood why I needed to listen to a priest or any other member of clergy, they are just like me; human. Hell, I even consider the bible nothing but a symbol of faith not to be taken literally as it was written by man. Perverted to control populations and maintain power of the "Holier than thou". Instead, I took the learning, the subtext, the faith, and the morals as the true word of God; fuck all the rest.

But to answer the OP, I think yer pretty spot on.

 

[Truman the Jewman]

A church, IMO, is merely a symbol even if there are no practitioners entering the space. I believe in a God, some hiring being than us an architect of what is and ever will be, and it is nice to see shrines of others who are faithful. I don't think there is anything more or less sad about a church with no practitioners than a gravestone forgotten in time. Spirituality and religion should be something that stays within the family and is personal. I grew up Catholic and never understood why I needed to listen to a priest or any other member of clergy, they are just like me; human. Hell, I even consider the bible nothing but a symbol of faith not to be taken literally as it was written by man. Perverted to control populations and maintain power of the "Holier than thou". Instead, I took the learning, the subtext, the faith, and the morals as the true word of God; fuck all the rest.

But to answer the OP, I think yer pretty spot on.

You basically described the Protestant Reformation. Laymen should be able to become clergy; faith should be presented in the vernacular of the faithful rather than some ancient language only scholars use.

Actually, sounds sorta similar to Quaker philosophy. The "Friends" believed anyone could spread the love of gospel, and needed no churchhouse or collared priest to do so.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

You basically described the Protestant Reformation. Laymen should be able to become clergy; faith should be presented in the vernacular of the faithful rather than some ancient language only scholars use.

Actually, sounds sorta similar to Quaker philosophy. The "Friends" believed anyone could spread the love of gospel, and needed no churchhouse or collared priest to do so.

Completely forgot about the Quakers. While I was growing up, Quakers were considered heretics in my community. That's another thing I'm really happy to have gotten out of, hating others based on their faith. It's all the same God just interpreted differently by different people.

 

[Truman the Jewman]

Completely forgot about the Quakers. While I was growing up, Quakers were considered heretics in my community. That's another thing I'm really happy to have gotten out of, hating others based on their faith. It's all the same God just interpreted differently by different people.

Fun fact: President Nixon was a Quaker. Didn't stop him from continuing that lovely Vietnam War or saying that those goddamn hippie nigger pothead protesters needed to be gunned down.

Personally I love the *concept* of Quaker faith. It's about "universal brotherhood." But in practice I think most humans are too flawed to actually practice all that they preach. I would give props to the modern day Unitarians but it's basically a bizarro troon cult at this point.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

I think the main reason religion has lost much of it's influence in the developed world is because it can no longer keep up with how people now live their lives, the information they now have access to, or how most people now think about the world as a consequence of their material circumstances.

You have to remember that prior to the industrial revolution, most people were menial farm workers; society simply didn't place the same emphasis on critical thinking or knowledge as it does today, and education was a luxury primarily limited to the clergy and the aristocracy. If you were lucky enough to be literate at all, the chances are the only thing you'd ever get the opportunity to read was religious scripture, and the community around you was close-knit enough that you'd have very little incentive to want to question any of it, even if you were somehow equipped with enough education to do so.

It should hardly be surprising that faith and revelation might have seemed more compelling to people in pre-industrial times than they are to people today. Our way of life, level of education, and scope of knowledge have all been completely transformed by mechanization.

If you’ve even been to a Walmart, you should know people aren’t any more intelligent or well informed now than they were then.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

This is by design. The less people who are faithful to Christ, the easier it is for the world of man to become god in the eyes of the masses instead. The elite are forever plagued with the issue of being unable to take their wealth with them when they die, so they seek to achieve the impossible: to supplant God. It's much harder to get away with that shit if you are dealing with people who shield themselves against the sway of materialism/consumerism/multiculturalism/diversity/hedonism/woke bullshit/etc.

Speaking of degeneracy:

This nods back to what I stated in my previous post. The corruption of the church has allowed man to take the "easy" way out and simply not take a stand on the matter either way. You can witness similar behavior when approaching joe normie about literally any current event topic and receiving in reply a simple shrug followed with "yeah, well, what can ya do?" as though he is powerless or lacking free will.

If anything, modern life should make people feel more compelled than ever to return to Christ. I would grant you that good times certainly make it easy to feel as though one is above such needs, but those good times are rapidly coming to an end. The access to information freely available at the press of a few keystrokes should have a similar effect (you can readily look up exactly what the elite have been planning and continue to plan for the unwashed masses on their own flippin' websites), but as I already mentioned: joe normie does not use the tools he is given too terribly well.

Spoiler: But at what cost?

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@wtfNeedSignUp already pretty much nailed anything I was going to say to this. I would argue there is actually quite possibly the absolute worst "big bad" humanity has ever seen before in the history of our species in the works right now, and it is going to become increasingly harder to simply handwave it away or remain ignorant in the coming years. I don't even say this as though I'm some scholar or anything, but I'd really urge you to learn up on history. The kind you don't just learn from skimming wikipedia. It'll help you a great deal in the days ahead.

You can't leave people alone for very long before they start worshiping false idols. Even the more religious happy merchants and goat fuckers would agree with that one, I'd hope.

Couldn't have said it better myself, especially the false idols bit, we've seen the replacement of gods with celebrities, ideologies, and even pseudo intellectuals. Though I would say this applies outside of Christianity just as well. The loss of a true born community is deeply felt, you look around all your neighbors and may talk to them but there is no connection these days and most people form groups with some they'll either never meet, or become part of as a disjointed connnection.

If you’ve even been to a Walmart, you should know people aren’t any more intelligent or well informed now than they were then.

Or just talk to any person anywhere, there may be a larger increase of actually intelligent people but that's only because ratio wise the population has also drastically increased. Most people resort to asking people who they think are smarter than them for guidance in everything generally (I see this in the work place all the time of many talking to some random guy they know called "Jim" who says multi-syllable words and they follow him because he knows "debate magic." Those that don't resort to the "informants" they have start resorting to all debates and conceptual thinking or deductive logic with simple wikipedia articles on fallacies/etc. Which has honestly made people dumber and succumb to some of those fallacies because they don't know how to adequately apply them.

The problem is not seeking information or having tools that access it, the problem is most people can neither apply or adequately construct the information. It's how those who falsify information have such an easy time, and many don't even think to research a little harder into any details they dabble in. Applying knowledge requires humility and ability to admit one does not know everything similar to what Socrates pushed, and too many are too arrogant to even do that.

 

[Fek]

Actually, sounds sorta similar to Quaker philosophy. The "Friends" believed anyone could spread the love of gospel, and needed no churchhouse or collared priest to do so.

This is supported in the Bible, so I'm unsure why you think it's a Quaker thing? Unless you mean it was more prominent or held up as a higher ideal amongst them vs other denominations? Either way, I..mostly (cautiously) agree with what you're getting at.

Hell, I even consider the bible nothing but a symbol of faith not to be taken literally as it was written by man. Perverted to control populations and maintain power of the "Holier than thou". Instead, I took the learning, the subtext, the faith, and the morals as the true word of God; fuck all the rest.

I doubt many could blame you for arriving at that conclusion. I know I did for quite a long time, myself. I turned away from a church that had turned away from Christ through the exact same shit you're describing (the holier-than-thou attitudes were the worst), but you know what? Footprints in the Sand, sir. Even when lost and confused, He is still with you.

I noticed you spoke on God as though he is an architect, and that you take a more universalist stance on faith in general. I'd like to point out that there's a reason Christianity (above all other faiths in modernity) is the one being singled out and beaten down with such intensity and purpose. It's the same reason the Freemasons (nodding to your universalist stance) may accept you so long as you're part of literally any religion on the planet..but will not acknowledge Christ's divinity (especially esoterically). Special mention here: atheists/agnostics are rejected because they're just that misguided.

 

[Truman the Jewman]

This is supported in the Bible, so I'm unsure why you think it's a Quaker thing? Unless you mean it was more prominent or held up as a higher ideal amongst them vs other denominations? Either way, I..mostly (cautiously) agree with what you're getting at

I'm sure it is, I'm just more familiar with the history surrounding Christianity than I am the Bible itself. However, yes, I am implying that Quakers held individual faith as a high ideal. Being a relatively prosecuted group it made sense for them to be low-key and spread their faith and ideas about the Gospel amongst one another. That, and they were still somewhat puritanical at the time--plain dress, plain meeting houses, austere living in devotion to Christ.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

With the greatest of respect, as loud and over represented as woke trannies and voices of color are online they don't have power themselves.

Certainly, they dominate cyber space and they can and do randomly cause real world manifestations of chaos.

Twitter told bongistan the world would end if the UK left the EU. They left anyway.

Twitter told everyone it was her turn in the US. Reality disagreed and orange man was elected.

Twitter told everyone that riding with biden would see reparations for slavery. Again, reality disagreed.

People in France are still being told the EU is the best hope for Europe. Reality disagreed and even Macron is calling for less Europe to save his own political career.

You can enforce all the positive discrimination laws you like mandating a certain number of disabled black whoymxn for every business. There's always going to be a way around it. I don't tell the wokonese non binary who approach me for research tutorship I'm not interested because they're a mentally unstable stink ditch, I tell them it's because "I don't have the subject specialist connections for this topic", "I feel this topic really needs female leadership" or "My publishing commitments prevent me from taking on further obligations". Businesses if they wish can find excuses not to indulge in leftism, hence why it's usually the public sector that does this shit and unfortunately also has 90% of the airtime.

Also, comparing a woke Twitter tranny and their horde of faghags to a Roman Emperor who might decide to put an entire city to death because he didn't like his birthday present from them? Cancel culture is irksome, but even they haven't got the power to salt the earth of Carthage.

Most of society are not twitterati, you can be cancelled from line circles but that is not the end in all sectors.

I'm not speaking about trannies on twitter (though I have no doubt that normies will think twice before criticizing them on anything online), but cases like making a thug that threatened a pregnant woman with a gun a de-facto saint, or that argues against objective reality seen in a video feed, or one that jails people that insulted rich football players online. It's insanity to say that we don't have a situation where the law is split for two classes of people and the elites can do whatever they want against whomever they want as long as it's the lower class.

The sources of danger are there and real.

Young girls out in the early hours should be wary of being attacked. Is this fair? No, but it's realistic and many of them prepare accordingly for a real threat.

There is real and empirical evidence that rape happens to people of both sexes. There is no empirical evidence that unless you murder someone on a Mexican pyramid the sun will not rise.

People do still have concerns and fears, but religions are not ministering to those fears. They're talking about holes filled in centuries ago, or things nobody even cares about.

If someone had a solution to prevent violence against women, people would flock to hear it as they do every day on twitter. Nobody wants to hear your fix for original sin conversely because it's just utterly irrelevant.

Is this morally right? That's neither here nor there for the present purposes. But we can clearly see where religious groups are failing to capture public imagination, groups like Pride and BLM are doing a remarkably good job at gathering hordes for a sermon.

This is just rubbish scientism, the big questions of existence after death and morality have no "scientific" answer and chances are there will never be any. And those are the stuff that attracts people. Nobody gives a shit about how lightning works or why the weather is how it is, they want to know if there is a reason to be a morally good person. Pride and BLM are just vacuous distractions that people will eventually wake up from once they realize they spent most of their lives on making rich people richer.

 

[Truman the Jewman]

This is just rubbish scientism, the big questions of existence after death and morality have no "scientific" answer and chances are there will never be any. And those are the stuff that attracts people. Nobody gives a shit about how lightning works or why the weather is how it is, they want to know if there is a reason to be a morally good person. Pride and BLM are just vacuous distractions that people will eventually wake up from once they realize they spent most of their lives on making rich people richer.

I love this response. I 100% agree. I wouldn't consider myself a "Christian" but I think most people have essentially substituted spirituality for hedonism and consumerism.

After all, it's much easier to jack off to 1000 porn sites, play video games all day and spend your years making vapid Twitter and Facebook posts than it is to spend any consideration on your place in this world we exist in. People should live for more spiritual fulfillment, grow to have an appreciation for the interconnectedness of the human condition (not in some gay commie way, but as in, like, an appreciation for humankind and the interaction with other elements of the universe).

Sorry for the spiritualism if anyone doesn't appreciate it. But even if you don't subscribe to a particular faith I don't think it hurts to be faithful.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I love this response. I 100% agree. I wouldn't consider myself a "Christian" but I think most people have essentially substituted spirituality for hedonism and consumerism.

After all, it's much easier to jack off to 1000 porn sites, play video games all day and spend your years making vapid Twitter and Facebook posts than it is to spend any consideration on your place in this world we exist in. People should live for more spiritual fulfillment, grow to have an appreciation for the interconnectedness of the human condition (not in some gay commie way, but as in, like, an appreciation for humankind and the interaction with other elements of the universe).

Sorry for the spiritualism if anyone doesn't appreciate it. But even if you don't subscribe to a particular faith I don't think it hurts to be faithful.

No. That's actually kind of what I was originally implying from my original post in this topic I may have worded it slightly off, but all people are spiritual to some extent whether they worship a god or partake in a religion or not. You're also 100% correct about the substitution that people have done in society. Replaced community for consumerism (or corporation worship and keeping up with the Jones mentality) and replaced purpose and faith to fill that "void" inside everyone with empty pleasures with no real aims or the short term thinking. It's spot on and I find it impossible to deny or ridiculous that people reject that idea in particular when it's spot on.