Replacing storytelling with shipping - Will it ever end?

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The Arcane ending hit you hard lol.
Kinda but tbf, it's also because of the new Dragon Age that also seemed to push its characters and who they fuck more than the plot and gameplay. It just seems to reach a boiling plot that every modern media genre has shit this shit , and it isn't just limited to western children's animation.

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole hero shooter/MOBA genre was to blame, since it seems tailor made to support delusions without any build up.

I want to say it's because everyone is a gooner now, but that wouldn't really be satisfying explanation and is ultimately reductive
A lot of people here mention gooning, and at least with men, they'd just look at porn about the works rather than waste time writing about it. So it's either about the internet fraying people's perception of reality to the point they NEED the romance to be canonically validated to feel that they "won". Or it's femcels getting to the point of gooning they are outright possessive of their ships.

There's also the related topic of shipping being rarely same gender.
 
The problem is that focusing on shipping was very successful for some IPs.
Ones that mainly target women (mostly white ones) and LGBT.
Those demos will buy merch of characters that they can fantasize about and write fanfics about.
Twilight merch sold not because those characters were so fucking deep and badass, it's because women wanted to fuck those dudes or they wanted to see them fuck each other.
Nothing wrong with that, there's a market for it.

The issue is that a lot of IPs where this doesn't fit, such as Star Wars recently with Acolyte, tried the same approach and failed miserably because the demo of SW are nerdy dudes, mostly white nerdy dudes.

The thing I've noticed since around 2015 is that the entertainment industry is completely clueless when it comes to what the public likes and why.
They throw shit at a wall in the hopes that something sticks and when it does, they milk it until something else sticks.
Now however, they pretty much completely fucked up everything that stuck so far with bad executive decisions.
Decisions such as making an MCU show about middle aged lesbians and a Star Wars show about a woman thirsting for a serial killer.

This era of entertainment will be taught in schools, it's so perplexing.
People will win awards for writing books on this topic.
 
Seeing that Arcane clip go viral on Twitter has made me swear off Arcane
You know, leagues a great example of this because 15 years ago Iron Stylus freehanded Diana killing Leona’s adopted family then running to the league for protection, that was boring, three rewrites later and now they just scissor or something. The shit we wiggled eyebrows at and joked about in all chat is now the main focus. Once a character is gay, they are basically frozen in time.

Maybe in a time where you could actually make a gay story interesting without walking on a wire you could trust the writers to dip their toe in. There were like 3 years in 2010 where you could trust that to happen. Today? Nah.
 
Shipping sells. I can't tell you how annoyed I was when MulderxScully was made a reality. I never saw them that was and thought it was retarded that they got together. It was all done to satisfy the fandom. I was actually kind of happy when they were gone for awhile because it felt fresh again. I also really liked the Brady Bunch episode. That's the kind of weird stuff I wanted to see.

The way television works has changed a lot. People are tuning in to binge streaming shows and fantasize about the ships. The internet has made it way too easy to just consume hours of choice media a day. So it's not surprising that those shows would start to cater to shippers even when it's just teasing.

It's still funny as fuck how the edged the Yaoi fans so hard without delivering anything.

Some League Of Legends animation, right? Yaoi baiting is a good way to get more fujos watching while not pissing off other fans who don't want to see too much gay. The fujos create media that promotes the show to more fujos. The fandom gets loud and annoying and then at the end... Nothing. No buttsecks 4 u.

I'm reminded of the Sherlock fandom and how mad they were that there was no big gay reveal at the end. I didn't watch the show so I'm not sure what gay baiting there might have been. But you'd have to be pretty retarded to think such a mainstream show based on such iconic characters would do that. You'd alienate all the Cumberbitches that wanted his alien babies. They were absolutely loony thinking his wife and children weren't real.

I remember when Sherlock's finale aired a bunch of fans thought there was a secret extra episode airing the next week where they'd finally buttfuck. That the new series premiering that week was fake and it's name (Apple Tree st. or something) was some kind of code for the secret Sherlock episode. I was in stitches. :lol:
 
I think part of the problem is that no one knows how to write a decent, satisfying plot. Or simply refuses to. The show has to compensate by keeping interest in other ways. Shipping fandom and the types who will buy merch also help to make shows profitable long after their due date, so there is incentive to try and create this sort of atmosphere among fans. Getting fans to project and relate to a particular character(s) and thus get attached to what their relationships are and living a sort of vicarious fantasy through them is basically what is selling for these fans and why they get so heated over it.
 
Any IP that caters to women will end up like that because thats what women care about in fiction. Is why dnd and role playing is all about shipping genderqueer ocs now, because women make up half the playerbase when it used to be like 5%. Women are also more avid consumers per capita than men, succesfully marketing to women is a huge boost in profits.
 
Every single Western cartoon in the last 15+ years, and sometimes manga falls victim to this. Like supposedly My Hero Academia ended the way it did because Horikoshi was worried about pissing off a group of shippers instead of committing and in the process let down everyone.

MHA was victim to another trend in Western media, the "subversion"/bait-and-switch where they try to lead people in one direction only to pull the rug out at the last second. Recent Disney movies are fond of this--Star Wars, Big Hero 6, Frozen--just to name a few...and MHA did the same thing, like refusing to make any major changes to Bakugo's alliances or motives because it would be too "cliché" if he became a villain himself, and so what we ended up getting was years of some unrequited bromance from Deku.
 
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Shippers are the Taliban of fandom.
Fujoshis are ISIS.

One of the big issues is that since the SuperWhoLock fandom broke containment, they have infested everything, including writer's rooms. They write what they like and they all like gender swapped heterosexual romance. They gay is just them adding a little spice, and it's trendy. The fujos would be out if they showed an actual homosexual relationship, with gaymen getting their back blown out in a park after dark. Or lesbians screaming and beating the shit out of each other in Target as an argument over towels gets out of control.

They want the romance, the non-threatening twinks with the tastefully styled long hair. The long soulgazing looks, handholding and maybe a kiss. In all honesty, it usually is rather chaste. With the fujo being able to fill in the blanks with their own mind. Which is why I find the Arcane sex scene to be an odd choice. You don't show the act, you hint at the act. That's what gets them all tingly. The coomers, the third horseman of the fandom apocalypse, probably loved it though.

They also have an outsized voice on social media. Extremely vocal and extremely obsessive. They also go batshit when ships are denied. The Supernatural fandom threatening the leads RL wives comes to mind.
 
It goes along with a generally increasing infantilization of society. Many of the most noteworthy storytellers of yesteryear had seen much more of life and the human condition by the time they started writing than the average modern Westerner will ever see. Tolkien served in World War I, including the Battle of the Somme. Rod Serling earned a Purple Heart as a paratrooper in the Pacific Theater of World War II. Many of them worked other jobs before turning to writing later in life. Thomas Hardy was originally an architect. Arthur Conan Doyle was a doctor. Dickens was a bootmaker and a journalist. Many of them lost infant children to disease or lost parents at a young age. Lovecraft's parents were thrown into asylums and died when he was relatively young.

Many if not most if not all of today's writers are among the most privileged, sheltered people in human history. Few of them have lived a life that would be worth telling others about. Most of their problems could be solved by logging off of Twitter and eating less. They spend 18 years in schools that coddle them and refuse to challenge them, graduate with a degree related to writing, and start bitching about student debt on social media until some soulless corporation hires them to punch up a script written by a computer algorithm. Their greatest struggles are fighting for rights they already have in a society that's already giving them everything they want on a silver platter. Even if their stories suck shit, massive corporations and thousands of vocal idiots will run cover for them on social media, so they're completely insulated from the consequences of their greatest failures. Sometimes they'll even fail upward. They spend more time absorbing fiction than living a real life. They're not able to draw on meaningful life experiences to write interesting stories, so they have to draw on what they know -- young people fucking each other in the ass.

Society's ass was also generally tighter once upon a time, for better or worse, and so were censorship standards. You couldn't show teenage lesbians making out on screen until relatively recently. At most, you could allude to it with some vague innuendo. The Great Awokening has made it not only permissible to do gay shipping shit in plain view of the public, it's made it a moral good in certain extremely vocal and consumerist circles. It generates buzz on social media no matter what happens. If a show teases two gay characters, some people will complain about it because they hate gay shit. The writers and their corporate overlords push back against "bigotry and hate," which generates buzz. Some people will complain because they're just bored of gay shit, or just want a decent story, or whatever. The writers and their corporate overlords will accuse them of "bigotry and hate" anyway, which still generates buzz. If nobody complains, someone will invent a fictional narrative about "bigotry and hate" anyway. Buzz supposedly translates to revenue, which is more important to writers and their corporate overlords than just telling a decent fucking story, so they encourage it.
 
One of the big issues is that since the SuperWhoLock fandom broke containment, they have infested everything, including writer's rooms.
This is another factor. The line between fan and writer is becoming increasingly blurred.
Back before fandoms became as large and mainstream as they are today, the fans just sat back and enjoyed what the writer wrote without much interaction between them. Nowadays, not only do fans regularly interact with the writers on social media, making their voices much harder to ignore, but some of them have even become writers themselves, and the first thing they do when they're given that power is turn their headcanons into the series' actual canon.
 
What are you all even watching that there's this shipping slop? No one forced you to watch rangs of power.

It's too bad TV writing is so awful now that bare relationships between interchangeable characters is all that's left for viewers who barely even watch the source material. That or generating internet outrage from soyjackers who continue to watch media that looks down on them.
 
However over the last decades, with the advent of the internet the romance surrounding the work has become more important than the work itself, sometimes even actively rewriting the story if the true conclusion isn't accepted by whatever lifeless slugs consume the content. This was tolerable as it was limited to the internet, so you could easily ignore it. However, due to the generation originally engaging it matured (the Tumblr generation) and entered the media workforce, as well as various writers having TDS and thus being on Twitter 24/7 and engaging with that community daily, the focus on shipping in media exploded.

this has basically been BioWare's entire game design strategy since probably the first Mass Effect
 
This video is a short but good watch on a phenomenon that ties into this - series that focus more on their characters' writing rather than their plot tend to attract a lot of these young obsessive types. Naturally, if you write a good character, people will watch your slop just to see that character - it doesn't matter how good or bad the rest of the show is (see: Alastor from Hazbin Hotel, Jax from The Amazing Digital Circus, whatever other shit tweens are into).

If you put the focus on characters' stories and dynamics with each other, then of course the resulting fandom will be a circlejerk of people shipping anyone and everyone together and not giving a damn about the plot. This happened with Jujutsu Kaisen (Suguru Geto and Satoru Gojo). I also cannot ignore the elephant in the room - it happened with My Hero Academia. People were convinced Midoriya and Bakugou were gay, and threw shitfits online when the author ignored shipping culture (as should be done) and concluded the series the way he wanted.

If you're an animator and want to find success in today's online environment, the formula is simple. Write a quirky character and add homoerotic subtext with another character, and people will flock to your series instantly, no matter how bland the plot.
 
Star VS. The Forces of Evil. Tl;dw typical cartoon show about a magical girl (Star) from another dimension that starts episodical and then starts having an overarching plot.

What the creator did is that she killed off the big bad guy that she had been hyping up since episode 1 at the end of season 2, and now for the next two seasons what we have is that Star gets involved in a previously-resolved love triangle that encompasses her psycho ex-boyfriend and her new best friend. Best friend who already was in a love triangle that encompassed Star and another girl, but that was dropped in favor of a lesbian pairing between the other girl and a dyke that came out of nowhere (literally no build-up, she's just presented as the girl's girlfriend the moment the character debuts). So in the end seasons 3 and 4 are exclusively about two semi-overlaping love triangles involving both protagonists that get resolved in an extremely anti-climatic way with retarded, largely irrelevant villians in the background. The worst part is that the first love triangle isn't even resolved at the end of the show because the last thing that Star and her best friend say to each other (after a semi-apocalyptic event which makes it so that magic stops existing and that both dimensions get fused together) is a "hi". That's it, the fucking shipping wars TV show ends up with a "hi".

Why did this happen, you might ask? Because the show's creator wanted to self-insert the story of how she met her husband into the story using Star as an stand-in for herself and the best friend as an stand-in for her husband. And then you wonder why animation these days is so shit
 
on most occasions when I stumble upon an advertisement of a YA book (that is, the most widely read type of book) the whole selling point is a list of tags: friends to lovers/enemies to lovers/etcetcetc; slowburn/fastburn; low/high spice and so on and so on - you get the idea. SAD!
You can't just say something so foul and not post a screenshot.
 
This is another factor. The line between fan and writer is becoming increasingly blurred.
Back before fandoms became as large and mainstream as they are today, the fans just sat back and enjoyed what the writer wrote without much interaction between them. Nowadays, not only do fans regularly interact with the writers on social media, making their voices much harder to ignore, but some of them have even become writers themselves, and the first thing they do when they're given that power is turn their headcanons into the series' actual canon.

It makes me wonder what their fanfiction.net accounts looked like. Sometimes I wonder how many of the really obsessive and dedicated fanfic writers turned pro. I've read so many horrors.

What are you all even watching that there's this shipping slop? No one forced you to watch rangs of power.

It's too bad TV writing is so awful now that bare relationships between interchangeable characters is all that's left for viewers who barely even watch the source material. That or generating internet outrage from soyjackers who continue to watch media that looks down on them.

There's a shipping fandom for practically every show or film that's popular. Therefore some of the shows will cater to this fandom or at least string them along or tease them. I think the last series I watched was Eric so I doubt that had one. At least I hope they weren't shipping Cumberbund with the giant muppet. I don't even want to know...:cryblood:
 
All this bullshit came out of America. Not Europe. Same with the queer, trans & paedophile "rights" movement.
Shut the fuck up uneducated eurotrash. Hirschfeld (germany) and Foucault (france) both paved the way and preceded things before americans like John Money followed in their footsteps.
 
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