Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[Michael Wade]

I’ve done a bit of research and welcome to raccoon city has the lowest budget, the worst opening week, the lowest overall profit, and the lowest review scores out of all the live action resident evil movies. I expected the movie to fail but it went far past my expectations, it completely killed itself.

When I said review scores I was talking about overall scores, so shall I separate the critics and the audience?

With the audience it’s still the lowest rated resident evil movie, but with the critics it’s the 2nd highest. That being said, it still failed at a whopping 44 with critics. I guess it didn’t do the worst at something though, right? Still isn’t taking home any prizes either for first place with the critics, as that spot went to The Final Chapter.

What a dam shame. I honestly had a great time with it. Its not the "best" of all the RE movies, but let me say that if this was the movie that released in 2002.... I think people would have been a lot more appreciative and forgiving of it.

I still recommend it to anybody here who's not super autistic about 1 to 1 adaptions. Just go in with low expectations and you'll have a blast.

It is FUCKING LEAGUES above final chapter. God that has to be the absolute worst fucking one from a design and entertainment perspective. It completely shits on the mythos of all the other movies, and its edited like ass.

Does it? I thought it was boring all throughout.

There were "moments" that were alright and sometimes even fun, but overall it was a trainwreck. People would die so fast you wouldn't even have time to remember who the fuck they were. And if you think Wesker was treated badly in the new movie? He gets fucking killed by a door in final chapter. I did a whole review on that movie here somewhere.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

There were "moments" that were alright and sometimes even fun, but overall it was a trainwreck. People would die so fast you wouldn't even have time to remember who the fuck they were. And if you think Wesker was treated badly in the new movie? He gets fucking killed by a door in final chapter. I did a whole review on that movie here somewhere.

The old RE movies were shit but the guy that played Wesker nailed the smug cheesy bullshit of the character.

HOW DID THIS SHIT HAVE A 60 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET!

 

[Michael Wade]

The old RE movies were shit but the guy that played Wesker nailed the smug cheesy bullshit of the character.

HOW DID THIS SHIT HAVE A 60 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET!
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Heck yeah, he did a bang up job. I especially liked his portrayal in the 5th movie as this dark savior of humanity. Becoming the fucking president of the united states and leading a war against the RE equivalent of skynet.

I really wish they didnt retcon that in final chapter. He looked like a kid in a candystore and it would have been fascinating to see him be a leader and "good guy" in this end of the world situation. It's what he always wanted in RE5. Retribution really was the best one out of all the Alice movies, but it was tainted by Final chapter's shittyness.

I thought the way he's handled in welcome to raccoon city was interesting (if completely wrong). He seems to have no idea about what umbrella does and has (some) morals. He doesn't even technically betray the group, he just runs off to steal virus samples from Berkin for Ada Wong. I know it sounds stupid, but I thought it was interesting to see what they were doing and the actor did a good job making him likable.

Spoiler: Although in the ending...

The way he comes back to life and gets his glasses was so stupid I laughed my ass off. Prime comedy meme material right there

 

[Soycast Guy]

He doesn't even technically betray the group, he just runs off to steal virus samples from Berkin for Ada Wong.

I thought Ada was supposed to do shit for Wesker, not the other way around.

 

[Cactuar King]

If they’re going to totally change these character’s personalities, what’s even the point? They stop being the character they’re supposed to be.

 

[Coldgrip]

I thought Ada was supposed to do shit for Wesker, not the other way around.

Unless a later game did a recton or something, Ada didn't start working for Wesker until about RE4, maybe a little before that. They never really say who she was actually working for in RE2, though Annette thinks it's Umbrella, and her RE3 epilogue makes no mention of her employers whatsoever.

 

[kadoink]

Naw, its just crappy writing is all. Gotta make da wamens more important now ya know :/

 

[Soycast Guy]

Unless a later game did a recton or something, Ada didn't start working for Wesker until about RE4, maybe a little before that. They never really say who she was actually working for in RE2, though Annette thinks it's Umbrella, and her RE3 epilogue makes no mention of her employers whatsoever.

Umbrella chronicles showed Ada showing the sample to Wesker, so she was pretty much working for him as early as RE2.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Unless a later game did a recton or something, Ada didn't start working for Wesker until about RE4, maybe a little before that. They never really say who she was actually working for in RE2, though Annette thinks it's Umbrella, and her RE3 epilogue makes no mention of her employers whatsoever.

It's funny how many dropped plot elements that could have been something bigger there are in this series.

There's Ada's original employer, Wesker working for HCF, Oswell Spencer and the Outbreak games teasing the idea of the US military experimenting with the T virus, which I get the feeling Resident Evil Zero was also teasing the idea of the US military as an antagonist, the emphasis on Billy's squad leader's blue eyes makes it seem like that was supposed to be a character of later note, but maybe they thought the whole thing would be too controversial.

And of course, The Family from RE6.

 

[Coldgrip]

Umbrella chronicles showed Ada showing the sample to Wesker, so she was pretty much working for him as early as RE2.

So they retconned it. That sucks.*

It's funny how many dropped plot elements that could have been something bigger there are in this series.

There's Ada's original employer, Wesker working for HCF, Oswell Spencer and the Outbreak games teasing the idea of the US military experimenting with the T virus, which I get the feeling Resident Evil Zero was also teasing the idea of the US military as an antagonist, the emphasis on Billy's squad leader's blue eyes makes it seem like that was supposed to be a character of later note, but maybe they thought the whole thing would be too controversial.

And of course, The Family from RE6.

I'm glad they dropped The Family angle. It was mentioned too late in the series and came across as a desperate attempt by Capcom to be Umbrella 2.0.

I always thought the emphasis on the squad leaders eyes was for dramatic effect in the cutscene. Like it was all a fever dream to Billy. Speaking of him, you or anyone else ever notice the way he says S.T.A.R.S. when he first meet Rebecca? Remind you of someone?

*Probably not the right word for it, but I can't think up the right one at the moment.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Some random RE thoughts because I'm bored.

How exactly do you view the series with regards to canon and timelines?

For me the prime canon or prime timeline is REmake, RE2, RE3, Code Veronica, RE0 and Outbreak File 1 and 2.

The extended canon includes RE4, RE5, RE7, RE8 and the two Revelations games (RE6 is firmly in "it never happened" territory for me)

And then we have the timeline of the RE2 and RE3 remakes, which I might consider an alternate universe or I may in fact consider 2 and 3 remakes to be the canon versions of the events in the backstory for RE7 and RE8, the reason being is since they're all in the RE engine it makes it more tonally and stylistically consistent than imagining the original RE2 is exactly the same universe as 7 and 8.

So for simplicity sake's I may just say there's two timelines, the prime one that ended with the Outbreak games and the alternate timeline that includes the 3 remakes, the upcoming 4 remake, 5 and 7, 8 and whatever else comes out in the future, but we'll have to see how the 4 remake actually turns out and what it might change.


For another random thought, does anyone else think it's a missed opportunity that we didn't spend more time in the Arklay woods? Other than one scenario in File 2 very little time is spent in the woods outside of cutscenes, I bet that in addition to the axe murder and the abandoned hospital seen in File 2 there was all sorts of creepy shit to be found, it'd be cool to see it depicted in the RE engine.

In fact I dare say Capcom needs to make a spinoff game that's an open world game set in Racoon City and the surrounding woods in the vein of a State of Decay or whatever.

 

[Coldgrip]

For another random thought, does anyone else think it's a missed opportunity that we didn't spend more time in the Arklay woods? Other than one scenario in File 2 very little time is spent in the woods outside of cutscenes, I bet that in addition to the axe murder and the abandoned hospital seen in File 2 there was all sorts of creepy shit to be found, it'd be cool to see it depicted in the RE engine.

In fact I dare say Capcom needs to make a spinoff game that's an open world game set in Racoon City and the surrounding woods in the vein of a State of Decay or whatever.

So more or less Days Gone but with a Capcom flair? Isn't that just Dead Rising but slightly different environments? I suppose that RE3make could of been just that if they actually put effort into it, unfortunately it's not what we got.

 

[Syaoran Li]

As a kid, I thought H.C.F were working for the same people that had employed Ada Wong in RE2. I also thought that H.C.F themselves were employed by the CIA as mercenaries or freelancers.

A common early fan theory about Wesker's survival and the H.C.F in Code Veronica was that they were working for a higher-up group of some kind.

The three most common suspects for this higher-up Wesker and was working for were the federal government, a rival megacorp, and no shit, Satan himself.

I remember hearing that one on the playground and apparently it was common enough online that Thomas Wilde mentioned it in one of the editions for his Resident Evil plot analysis document.

The Resident Evil fanon and speculation about the plot in the pre-RE4 days was really autistic but also kinda fun in a crazy goofball sort of way.

 

[Soycast Guy]

Speaking of him, you or anyone else ever notice the way he says S.T.A.R.S. when he first meet Rebecca? Remind you of someone?

I’ve heard that theory before and it’s an interesting one, but I’d say capcom meant for nemesis to just be a Sergei Vladimir clone.

 

[Coldgrip]

I’ve heard that theory before and it’s an interesting one, but I’d say capcom meant for nemesis to just be a Sergei Vladimir clone.

Wouldn't surprise me if at some point somebody had an idea (just an idea) to connect him to Nemesis in some way but it never panned out.

Either way, we won't be seeing Billy or Rebecca ever again.

 

[Michael Wade]

If they’re going to totally change these character’s personalities, what’s even the point? They stop being the character they’re supposed to be.

Normally id agree, but I think I understood why they changed some of the characters backstories. For thematic convenience and to save time.

For example: In welcome to raccoon city, Chris and Claire are orphan's taken in by William Birkin.

Kinda random and a little cringe? Yes, but if they didn't have that connection, Birkin would have just been some random asshole scientist and nobody would know or care who he is.

Naw, its just crappy writing is all. Gotta make da wamens more important now ya know :/

You know what, ive seen SJW shit. For whatever faults Welcome to Raccoon has, its not that. If anything it merely continues the RE trend of having badass chicks with guns.

There was nobody on the cast I can point to and say, oh she's a stuck up bitch im supposed to like.

No.

Even when Leon was getting some shit from Claire, I took that as an extension of the fact that this movie puts far more focus on him realistically being an inexperienced rookie on his first day.

Speaking of that note, I actually kinda enjoyed how the movie shits on Leon a bit. It doesn't hate the character, he's just completely out of his element until the second half or so, then he starts getting his grove. I think the actor was chosen more for his charm then his looks because I did like his spunk.

I thought Ada was supposed to do shit for Wesker, not the other way around.

Wesker is basically just a ordinary dude doing merc work for money. (shit he kinda looks like his kid Jake from 6! maybe that's why I liked him so much?)

I got the impression he doesn't even know who she is until the final scene. Gotta say I really like the idea of Ada being the big bad of these movies.



Really want to see wtf a sequel to this would look like. The idea of mixing Code veronica with something like RE4 intrigues me. (They recreated the young ashford twins scene, shot for shot. )

Wouldn't surprise me if at some point somebody had an idea (just an idea) to connect him to Nemesis in some way but it never panned out.

Either way, we won't be seeing Billy or Rebecca ever again.

They did bring back Rebecca for that animated movie, but she was a glorified damsel in distress.

There's a better chance for Billy then you think, they were seriously considering making him the villain for the Infinite Darkness movie.

 

[Soycast Guy]

There's a better chance for Billy then you think, they were seriously considering making him the villain for the Infinite Darkness movie.

Billy as a villain? Are they retarded?

I genuinely wonder if capcom knows the lore of their own franchise anymore. Then again, did capcom have much involvement in infinite darkness?

 

[Michael Wade]

Billy as a villain? Are they retarded?

I genuinely wonder if capcom knows the lore of their own franchise anymore. Then again, did capcom have much involvement in infinite darkness?

Im not terribly sure about the developmental process, but it would have made "some" sense as he would have been a wetworks man blackmailed/employed by the U.S government.

Which is a really cool idea, but they knew dam well they didn't have a good enough script to use him. Otherwise I think the idea had potential.

 

[Coldgrip]

I genuinely wonder if capcom knows the lore of their own franchise anymore. Then again, did capcom have much involvement in infinite darkness?

Did Capcom ever? Considering how many drafts they went through and the builds that were scrapped, I'd say there's a pretty good chance they forgot the lore.

Oh, and don't forget about them outsourcing their stuff. There's that too.

 

[Lowlife Adventures]