Retro games and emulation - Discuss retro shit in case you're stuck in the past or a hipster

[Baraka Obama]

IIRC there were more ports between the DC and the PS2 than between the DC and the PSX,

Do we need to play list wars? Because for every DoA2 style port theres gotta be 3 Rayman or Tony Hawk ports.

Nah, the Dreamcast is a 6th generation console because it´s was the first to make the jump.

Take the red pill and erase the wikipedophilia numbered generation bs from your mind. It was on the market late 1998 to early 2001 which might as well scream PS1 glory days.

Nobody doubts the Genesis was a parallel console to the SNES since it was a popular buy well into the mid 90s.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

The system is great but it's all on the ps2 as well so people pick up the better versions.

Unless you're playing a fighting game, in which the PS2 versions were always inferior to the other ports unless made specifically for the PS2 (Tekken)

 

[Pissmaster]

Take the red pill and erase the wikipedophilia numbered generation bs from your mind. It was on the market late 1998 to early 2001 which might as well scream PS1 glory days.

It's a great reason why console generations don't make much sense, anyway. Like how they declare the Nintendo Switch as an 8th generation system, despite it spending more of its lifespan competing against the 9th gen, and even outselling those two consoles.

Do we need to play list wars? Because for every DoA2 style port theres gotta be 3 Rayman or Tony Hawk ports.

I don't think that'll answer much. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 was on Dreamcast, as well as PS1, N64, and even kinda sorta Xbox, but Tony Hawk 3 didn't make it to Dreamcast, despite being on PS1 and N64. I would have bought it on Dreamcast, had it been made.

Have you ever seen Tony Hawk 3 on N64? It's pitiful:

Here's Gamecube, for comparison's sake:

Dreamcast would have definitely looked closer to the Gamecube version.

 

[Two Dollars]

It's a great reason why console generations don't make much sense, anyway. Like how they declare the Nintendo Switch as an 8th generation system, despite it spending more of its lifespan competing against the 9th gen, and even outselling those two consoles.

Here’s a message to analysts/journalists/YouTubers everywhere:
STOP CALLING PS5/XBOX SERIES “NEXT GEN”, THEY’VE BEEN OUT FOR 3.5 FUCKING YEARS. “NEXT GEN” MEANS THE GENERATION THAT’S NOT OUT YET YOU ABSOLUTE RETARDS. A CONSOLE STOPS BEING NEXT GEN THE MOMENT IT’S RELEASED.

 

[SuperGun]

Sega gets much less attention than Nintendo and the Dreamcast (and gamecube) both suffer from most of their big titles being multi platform. The dreamcast has 70 exclusive titles and only 4 of them are anything people remember. Toy commander, Pen pen, Crazy Taxi 2 and Blue Stinger. The system is great but it's all on the ps2 as well so people pick up the better versions.

Sadly, most of the PS2 ports of SEGA games sucks. Crazy Taxi is bad (Advertising gone, the music gone, runs worst than the DC) F355 Challenge even if has the 3rd person camera, its look less detalied than the DC one, Virtua Tennis 2 look really jagged, Space Channel 5 1 & 2 too.

Its maybe cherrypicking, but when you have a nice CRT the visual difference can be notorious.

Maybe i´m just a nostalfaggot since with emulators that shit can be fixed and be put in 4K with 60fps patches.

 

[Anime=Tranime]

Contrary to countrarian's belief, the Dreamcast sold well in Japan, it even gave the PS2 a hard time during it's first year of release. The reason it flopped can be summarized in "Sega is managed by lolcows". Even the DVD Player shit didn't hurt the Dreamcast as much as all the finer details from the DC itself.

No, the Dreamcast was a flop in Japan.
Sega tried to pull the same trick they pulled with the Saturn, basically betting that Virtua Fighter 3 would be able to generate as much hype and sales as Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 did for the Saturn but that didn't work out.

To prove it here are the sales statistic of consoles in Japan between 1998 and 2000, the years where the Dreamcast was relevant, based on the Famitsu Sales charts for those years
(Sauce Game Data library/https://sites.google.com/site/gamedatalibrary/hardware-by-year/1998-results) :

 

[Pissmaster]

Here’s a message to analysts/journalists/YouTubers everywhere:
STOP CALLING PS5/XBOX SERIES “NEXT GEN”, THEY’VE BEEN OUT FOR 3.5 FUCKING YEARS. “NEXT GEN” MEANS THE GENERATION THAT’S NOT OUT YET YOU ABSOLUTE RETARDS. A CONSOLE STOPS BEING NEXT GEN THE MOMENT IT’S RELEASED.

Were they still calling PS4 & Xbox One "next gen" by mid 2017? Probably not. Especially with the launch of Switch taking a lot of attention away from them.

It's such a ridiculous concept these days. They're all just dedicated PC hardware now, not the sort of very stripped down computers with focus on the best graphic chipsets they could source for the lowest cost. Shit, I know the Steam Deck is just as much of a console as the rest, but it's not considered a console per-say, because it has a general purpose OS. Despite having its own custom GPU. One of the best things that could happen to Xbox One & Series X|S would be to allow full access to a Windows 11 desktop, and what if that happened? Would they still be considered part of their console generations? What if you could run Series X|S-only titles on an original Xbox One, but at total shit settings? I don't even think it'd be that hard for MS to allow that.

 

[Two Dollars]

What if you could run Series X|S-only titles on an original Xbox One, but at total shit settings? I don't even think it'd be that hard for MS to allow that.

You can kind of do that now. I think there are only a handful of Series-exclusive games that truly won’t run on an Xbox One, while there are plenty that still technically work despite clearly being made for Series. Then again, I haven’t checked in a while, so maybe that’s changed.

 

[3deadniggers]

You can kind of do that now. I think there are only a handful of Series-exclusive games that truly won’t run on an Xbox One, while there are plenty that still technically work despite clearly being made for Series. Then again, I haven’t checked in a while, so maybe that’s changed.

Xcloud can run a lot of systems so even if you can't put the disc in you can probably play it on there streaming

 

[Pissmaster]

You can kind of do that now. I think there are only a handful of Series-exclusive games that truly won’t run on an Xbox One, while there are plenty that still technically work despite clearly being made for Series. Then again, I haven’t checked in a while, so maybe that’s changed.

I can personally verify that anything marked as only for Series X|S, but not Xbox One will not even install. You get a message that says something like "You can't play that here". There are also some games that sell separate versions for Xbox One and X|S, though I've only seen a few sports games and GTA 5 do that.

On the other hand, installing Hitman 3's demo on my 2013 Xbox One really showcased how it was not designed for Xbox One at all. The graphics become PS2-tier, and it runs so poorly, it has input lag. Apparently it has something to do with some new compression IO Interactive used, which works great on anything modern, but I guess it's just too much for the old CPU in the One. But, Hitman 2 with all its DLC comes out to 150gb, whereas Hitman 3 (which comes with Hitman 2) and all of its DLC comes out to 75gb.

I guess the true solution there would be to have the Xbox One version go without compression and eat up like half of your hard drive, but that's preferrable to a barely playable version. I guess you just can't win.

 

[Shinkai]

Sadly, most of the PS2 ports of SEGA games sucks. Crazy Taxi is bad (Advertising gone, the music gone, runs worst than the DC) F355 Challenge even if has the 3rd person camera, its look less detalied than the DC one, Virtua Tennis 2 look really jagged, Space Channel 5 1 & 2 too.

Its maybe cherrypicking, but when you have a nice CRT the visual difference can be notorious.

Maybe i´m just a nostalfaggot since with emulators that shit can be fixed and be put in 4K with 60fps patches.

I have modded my PS2 to load games from the HD and thought about using some kind of upscaler hdmi whatever to convert to the big TV but it'll just look like ass. On the CRT it just looks right. If I want it to look better I can just emulate it on the steam deck.

I recently got the PS1 mini out of storage and forgot I put on bleemsync/retroarch when it first got modded in and it's great but the usb takes away one of the controller ports

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It's a great reason why console generations don't make much sense, anyway. Like how they declare the Nintendo Switch as an 8th generation system, despite it spending more of its lifespan competing against the 9th gen, and even outselling those two consoles.

I don't think that'll answer much. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 was on Dreamcast, as well as PS1, N64, and even kinda sorta Xbox, but Tony Hawk 3 didn't make it to Dreamcast, despite being on PS1 and N64. I would have bought it on Dreamcast, had it been made.

Have you ever seen Tony Hawk 3 on N64? It's pitiful:

Well, yeah, it was released in 2002 after the N64 was dead.

Arguing about the Dreamcast I can kind of see both ways, it's closer to the PS2/Xbox/GCN in terms of technical ability but closer to the PS1/N64 in marketing...and a lot of the "generations" are based on marketing, not technical ability, hence why you have Wii, Wii U, and Switch going up against Sony and Microsoft's consoles which blow it away on a technical level.

To illustrate a point, the ColecoVision was released in 1982, with the Famicom coming just a year later in 1983. Both of them blew the Intellivision and Atari 2600 out of the water. They were comparable consoles (the ColecoVision actually has more video RAM) but the ColecoVision died a quick death soon after its introduction while the NES dominated in the late 1980s. However, because of their wildly different marketing competitors, the NES gets bestowed the third-generation console on them and the ColecoVision does not.

Contrary to countrarian's belief, the Dreamcast sold well in Japan, it even gave the PS2 a hard time during it's first year of release. The reason it flopped can be summarized in "Sega is managed by lolcows". Even the DVD Player shit didn't hurt the Dreamcast as much as all the finer details from the DC itself.

The PS2 had major supply issues and a lack of games, so once those details were ironed out, it just took off.

If a console's sales collapse within two years of its release it is a flop. It was Sega Japan that threw in the towel in early 2001 because they saw the writing on the wall.

The wider issue with Sega was that the Genesis was a one-hit wonder that was briefly a problem for Nintendo but dropped off within a few years. By late 1994 the dream was dead.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

I started going through a retro backlog based on recommendations from the "/V/'s recommended games" wiki (though I already mentioned playing megaman based on the wiki) and one of these days I plan on finally going through the Final Fantasy series. I bought physical copies the remasters/remakes of FFI and II for the PSP years ago but never got around to playing it though. I do intend to stick with those versions since I already bought it, but I don't know exactly what versions of III-VI, VII-IX, X-?? I should play. I figured I could play III-IX on my PSP since they are also playable there (though I don't own any of them). I'm aware III-VI got remasters on Steam and VII-IX are available with original graphics.

I have FFX physically handed down to me I could play on my PS2 with an iffy disc drive and iffy DS2 controller or just emulate it on PC. Though I also figured it wouldn't hurt to look at the remaster of FFX that is on Steam. As for the later games, I don't know which ones are considered good.

As far as spin off's go, I plan on playing FF Mystic Quest (not to be confused with FF Adventure) as I played it little bit when I was VERY little (yes my family had an SNES in the early 2000s, it obviously wasn't the only system we had but it was the one we were allowed to play at the time)

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Okay, how in the fuck do you get vita roms compatible for Vita3K? The emulator installs and seems to work well enough, but it won't recognize my rom folders, nor my rars etc., and numerous videos talk about having to "dump" shit or changing its format/needing extra software. It's getting frustrating enough to just give up on the single game I wanted to play on it...

 

[Baraka Obama]

I started going through a retro backlog based on recommendations from the "/V/'s recommended games" wiki (though I already mentioned playing megaman based on the wiki) and one of these days I plan on finally going through the Final Fantasy series. I bought physical copies the remasters/remakes of FFI and II for the PSP years ago but never got around to playing it though. I do intend to stick with those versions since I already bought it, but I don't know exactly what versions of III-VI, VII-IX, X-?? I should play. I figured I could play III-IX on my PSP since they are also playable there (though I don't own any of them). I'm aware III-VI got remasters on Steam and VII-IX are available with original graphics.

I have FFX physically handed down to me I could play on my PS2 with an iffy disc drive and iffy DS2 controller or just emulate it on PC. Though I also figured it wouldn't hurt to look at the remaster of FFX that is on Steam. As for the later games, I don't know which ones are considered good.

As far as spin off's go, I plan on playing FF Mystic Quest (not to be confused with FF Adventure) as I played it little bit when I was VERY little (yes my family had an SNES in the early 2000s, it obviously wasn't the only system we had but it was the one we were allowed to play at the time)

For FF3 I really recommend playing the original Famicom version with a fan translation.

For FF4, there are many options but I really prefer the original release as "Final Fantasy 2" for SNES. There are a lot of interesting rom hacks for the SFC version but you would probably prefer the "easy type" difficulty in the original American release which ended up being released in Japan literally as Easy Type later. The ports all have their own set of compromizes and whlie the DS remake is interesting on its own I don't like any of the re-releases of that, they all look like shit scaled up to high res.

For FF5 a fan translation of the SFC version is best.

For FF6 it's another case where you're probably best going with the original American "Final Fantasy 3" release warts and all. Similar to "FF2" the original translation is iconic in a way that more accurate ones can't ever replicate.

Stay far away from the pixel demasters for these 4.

For FF7 through 9, just play the PS1 versions either on the real thing, a PSP, a Vita, or on an emulator preferably at original res. All of these games look amazing on a CRT but failing that just running at the original PS1 resolution let's you better appreciate how the 3D models & 2D backgrounds mix where up-ressing ruins that.

For FF10, either play the PS2 version or the Japnese FF10 International for PS2 with a modified sphere grid. The HD Demake for these games has some bizzare re-done faces that look awful, missing character & face animations, an ugly mix of high detail "HD" textures with original ones, and has added lag to the menu.

 

[Pissmaster]

For FF4, there are many options but I really prefer the original release as "Final Fantasy 2" for SNES. There are a lot of interesting rom hacks for the SFC version but you would probably prefer the "easy type" difficulty in the original American release which ended up being released in Japan literally as Easy Type later. The ports all have their own set of compromizes and whlie the DS remake is interesting on its own I don't like any of the re-releases of that, they all look like shit scaled up to high res.

I agree with all but FF4. I would recommend the PSP version. It actually looks nice, unlike most FF remakes, and has the excellent bonus dungeon from the GBA version. It runs great in PPSSPP.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

As for the later games, I don't know which ones are considered good.

In all honesty, it's a case of personal tastes. Some people will completely lose their shit the moment you mention 13 (or VIII), but I still think you should try it. Even I personally don't like it for various reasons; FF 12 is just Star Wars but --; 15 is also decent.
The PSP version of 3 is serviceable, for 1/2 I recommend the PSP/GBA versions unless you like the NES. For FF4, also try "The after years".
There's also a couple of Spin-off games I recommend you, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time for the DS was also good.
Also, get a guide of Final Fantasy 8, because while it's true that you can brute force through it, it's incredible fun seeing Squall getting the final weapon right before the second disc begins. Really, that junction shit is so busted that the whole "turn based" shit loses all meaning.

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

What kinda chinesium box should I buy to emulate everything under the moon?
I can not make myself enjoy games emulated on a computer, we used to have a PSP for that, but it died so I only game what my old fliphone can emulate (up to certain GBC games and that is it) , and it craps out a lot.
Have not played any Pokemon past gen3 due to that...

 

[Carpenter Trout]

What kinda chinesium box should I buy to emulate everything under the moon?
I can not make myself enjoy games emulated on a computer, we used to have a PSP for that, but it died so I only game what my old fliphone can emulate (up to certain GBC games and that is it) , and it craps out a lot.
Have not played any Pokemon past gen3 due to that...

depends by what you want. if it's something you can carry around, any laptop or the steam deck would do it. if it's something you place under your tv, either a raspberry pi or a mini-pc would do the trick too.
also do you wanna go up until ps4 or is 6th gen good enough?

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

depends by what you want. if it's something you can carry around, any laptop or the steam deck would do it. if it's something you place under your tv, either a raspberry pi or a mini-pc would do the trick too.
also do you wanna go up until ps4 or is 6th gen good enough?

Yes, carry around - my gripe with gaming on pc emulator boils down to "can not curl around the device cozily". Laptop is too huge, psp style hits about the right spot.
I am also kinda poor. I only have ok computer bc of guys in a charity)

...As many Pokemon as possible (I like other games, these are just an easy measure)