RVF was always more than a PUA or MRA forum.
It was a male safe space for men to bitch about women, about other men that enable them. But it was never nasty (ok, it was sometimes). Very few men there really cared about picking up women. Most of them knew they were too fucked up/crippled/autistic/poor. The posters, I mean. It was a safety valve.
What roosh has done is a gross betrayal of the men that made that forum great. If his conversion and being born again was genuine, then great, but many think it's not.
Sure, it was full of the most throbbing fucking losers you could ever hope to meet, and conversely, the real players, did I say 'playahz'? kept their deals pretty close to their chest. Like any other forum. Some genuine friendships were born by some of the more high value men there that could travel to meet. Most of them have settled down now, or are contemplating a life without a wife/kids, regretting it, and maybe doing what they can to put that right while they can, and all without betraying your buddies and/or finding fucking god.
I won't be too hard on Roosh. He lost his head when his sister died. It happens. I've seen it happen first hand. The betrayal of his brothers though, he will never live down. But it was always going to happen. Being talked about in the houses of parliament. Banned on flights in to the UK. He got some serious pressure. Full on articles in the Guardian.
Roosh isn't really very charismatic. He's 6'4" - so quite tall and swarthy and he lifts a bit. But he's also autistic in that PDD/NOS kind of way. He always seemed a bit off to the girls, and certainly also to the 'boys'. Having said that, he did betray them in one of the worst ways possible.
He'll get by, he won't pay a price. It's not that kind of betrayal where the Hell's Angels curb stomp you. No one ever put that kind of store in Roosh. But it was a betrayal none the less.
He won't get beaten up. And now that he has submitted to the machine and been consumed by the machine, he is no longer a threat or on anyone's radar. He did ex fucking zactly what he should have done to acquiesce. Not that I am brow-beating him for giving in. I would have given in long before him, or at least not stirred the fucking hornet's nest so much with 'legal rape' satire, beforehand. Roosh isn't a rapist. He never was, he never will be. He was a bit edgy for a while and spoke a lot of edgy nonsense. He had a deep relationship with his sister. Men who have deep relationships with their sisters, tend not to become rapists of women.
It's what cut him up in the end. And why I think he should just be left alone to try to build whatever kind of cult it is he is trying to build.
But now he has made the forum only for those with belief. It's become more of a cult. Almost all the old guard have gone now. A few notables remain. A few anomalies. But I won't mention their names as I think they will fade in the next year or two. It will become the wrong kind of Christians next, in the form of 'Protestants'.
Roosh made a big thing about not 'becoming your own pope', and someone made the pithy remark: 'well, we can't become our own pope, but Roosh can become his own priest'.
Proselytizing to his minions.
He is taking some kind of religious authority over his flock and ministering in matters he is not qualified to do so.
It is one thing spreading the word of Christ. I respect that. I always have time for genuine believers. But Roosh, whilst he may think he is a genuine believer, does not have that greater authority.
I am not offended through Christ.
I'm just noting the many men betrayed by him. Most of whom have just moved on. They have wives and family and kids now. And the few that made genuine friendships there are too busy to be angry.
It's probably best it all died. It was a flawed concept to start with. But it helped many men get their feet on the ground and forge some real relationships with other men, at least for a while. Even if 90 percent of them there were fucking losers, just like Roosh turned out to be.
I wish Roosh well. He will need it. But his minions and followers now who do his bidding had better watch their back in this new world they jumped in to.
RVF was always a deep fucking place. Not many knew the culture at all. Even the people posting there with 9000 posts. And outsiders very rarely got a grip on it at all either, apart from MRA and PUA BAAAAADDDD!!!!!!
A most fascinating sub-culture.
I think Roosh will get away with his betrayal. It won't ever be accepted to be right. He has burned his bridges. But he will get over it. He won't need to look over his shoulder, because the men he betrayed have moved on anyway, and aren't the type of 'biker gang' killers you read about in fantasy fiction. It's sad.
His move closer to god will do more harm and turn more men away from Christ, than it entices in to the fold. But he is too fucking egotistical to realise that.
Hope you find your own way out!
Roosh wasn't the worst of them when it came down to it.
And even if he won't become the best of them, I think he did the best he could...
