Money Reverse mortgage

[Strange Wilderness]

So how much money is Chris getting out of this Reverse Mortgage? Is Barb taking the lions share and giving Chris an allowance to buy a few Transformers every month, or does Chris have some sort of equal access to the money coming in?

If Chris had some kind of equal access to the mortgage and was smart he could take the money and use it to put a down payment on say an RV or trailer so he could own it now and use his tugboat to make the future payments, or if he access to enough money buy something outright just so he has a place he can move into when Barb dies and the house gets repossessed. Not an ideal living situation but better than living out of his car or under a bridge while trying to find a permanent housing option.

Kind of a moot thought because I know Chris isn't smart enough to ever consider this option. He's going to squander whatever money he gets on children's toys and run off to pony-land whenever confronted with reality, while Barb doesn't give two fucks if her mentality ill son ends up on the streets after she dies.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I assume it was murder because it made Null go hush-hush about it. Why would Null care about hiding Chris saying "take back my money for me, Null!", as if that's the sort of thing you would be shocked for Chris to say? Yes, that's illegal too, but it's not such an insane taboo that Null would refuse to say it out loud. Yes, Null mentioned "accounts", but that's because I would expect the message to be something like "those darn idea guys stole all my money! Null, you're powerful and have connections, order an assassin for 1 of them and tell da other he gotta pay me back WITH INTEREST!". Like, the motivation to kill was money, but the action Null was afraid to bring up was probably significantly worse than "take my money back for me", or he wouldn't step around the issue.

Also, note how everyone in chat keeps mentioning "lol Chris asked Null to kill a guy", and when Null finally responds to someone asking what it was in chat, Null says it's kinda obvious from context and he won't say more. If everyone was guessing the wrong thing Null wouldn't say it was obvious from context, that response only makes sense in the context of Null saying what he said, seeing a bunch of correct guesses in chat, and then silently ignoring those responses. If nearly all the guesses were wrong he'd be far more likely to assume the answer is not obvious at all, don't you think?

Personally, I think Null should have at least reported him to the local mental health peoples. I'm not trying to be A-loggy, but it wouldn't take much for weens to get entangled with some murder for hire plot.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

No, he's maladjusted and stupid. Claiming that he's normal outside of his autism is actually very stupid. Around 50-70% of people with ASD have learning disabilities, which means that more than likely he's retarded.

He's stupid in terms of street smarts, he is very gullible but his IQ tested out to be average. That may be true concerning people with ASD but it does not mean their IQ is below average. Dyslexia is a learning disability.

 

[The Sauce Boss]

Personally, I think Null should have at least reported him to the local mental health peoples. I'm not trying to be A-loggy, but it wouldn't take much for weens to get entangled with some murder for hire plot.

As far as I know, Null is already looking into that. He mentioned something to that effect on a stream.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

Autism is retardation Kenmeth.

No it's not.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

He's stupid in terms of street smarts, he is very gullible but his IQ tested out to be average. That may be true concerning people with ASD but it does not mean their IQ is below average. Dyslexia is a learning disability.

Chris' IQ has not been tested extensively. That's a lie. One huge indication of intelligence is processing time, which Chris is obviously lacking.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

Autistic, retarded...potato, potahto. Semantics. It was a school for the developmentally disabled whose condition is too severe for your regular public elementary school to manage. Chris was having major outbursts in class when he was in elementary which led to the faculty taping the episodes to provide proof to the Chandlers that Chris was too low-functioning to be mainstreamed in a normal public elementary school.

I know you're fond of Chris and consider him your friend, but your assessment of his situation is disingenuous and your defense of him is misplaced. It does him no favors. Chris is low-functioning in that he can barely take care of himself and his grasp on reality is nearly gone. He wilfully chooses to dwell in a pastel pony fantasy world and lose himself in escapism over facing his problems and trying to solve them like a mature adult. He has literally regressed over the years to the point that he is essentially a seven or eight year old in a 38 year old, nearly 300lb man's body.

And, yeah, Chris is likely retarded on top of being Autistic. Just because his head is full of useless knowledge like video games, Pokémon, My Little Pony, and Transformers does not mean that Chris is smart. Knowledgeable does not equal smart, especially when that knowledge has absolutely no fucking application in an adult life. All Chris' knowledge is childish pursuits and fantasy delusions. If Chris' IQ broke triple digits i would be very surprised.

The Grafton School treats a wide variety of people with developmental and behavioral disorders. It has the resources and specialized training for people on the autism spectrum that a mainstream school does not. Again low functioning autism is autism + mental retardation (i.e. a measurable IQ below 70). Actually no, I don't see him as a friend in the same way I interact with other Facebook friends but he was kind of an associate. No actually I don't defend him and never have when he acted like an idiot.

I agree that he has withdrawn into a fantasy world of MLP, transformers, video games and deity of the Commodore consoles and whatever. But that is not mental retardation as far as IQ is concerned. That is a schizophrenia like disorder. High Functioning Autism is simply autism with a normal iQ (>70). His IQ was tested, it is around 100 to 110 which is average.

 

[The Fool]

As far as I know, Null is already looking into that. He mentioned something to that effect on a stream.

I'm genuinely curious if it's possible to get Chris into a home without his full compliance (which we all know will never happen)

What kind of "homes" are even an option, even if he did comply?

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

The Grafton School treats a wide variety of people with developmental and behavioral disorders. It has the resources and specialized training for people on the autism spectrum that a mainstream school does not. Again low functioning autism is autism + mental retardation (i.e. a measurable IQ below 70). Actually no, I don't see him as a friend in the same way I interact with other Facebook friends but he was kind of an associate. No actually I don't defend him and never have when he acted like an idiot.

I agree that he has withdrawn into a fantasy world of MLP, transformers, video games and deity of the Commodore consoles and whatever. But that is not mental retardation as far as IQ is concerned. That is a schizophrenia like disorder. High Functioning Autism is simply autism with a normal iQ (>70). His IQ was tested, it is around 100 to 110 which is average.

When, where's the actual objective evidence of his IQ tested that doesn't involve your wishful thinking?

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

At what point, precisely, would it would have been possible to teach chris how to write a resume/network/interview for a job? All of those things take a level of social competence well beyond anything our "high-functioning" hero has ever demonstrated in his life.

Actually no. All it would have taken was to find a resume writing service and maybe find an autism support group in Charlottesville area and possibly find out by word of mouth about autism friendly employers.

 

[The Dude]

When, where's the actual objective evidence of his IQ tested that doesn't involve your wishful thinking?

I'd like to know that as well. I'm sure he had an actual IQ test when he was a kid to see if he was retarded, but highly doubt he's had anything official as an adult. He's taken some of those bullshit online IQ tests, but those aren't accurate in the least. And most people's IQs decline as they age, especially if they do nothing to exercise their intellect. At best Chris' intelligence has stagnated, and at worst has taken a massive nose dive.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

So we should be more like you and just give Chris large, unbridled sums of money and play into his escapist fantasies? That worked out exceptionally well in the past, right?

Actually what I paid for was that autographed picture with that slogan about Sonichen and Rosechen (around $25 or so) and a custom Sonichu medallion (I think around $30 or $35 or so). The large sums of money was Spirit Plumber who gave him $400, DStecks who paid him $1,000, the Captain that I believe paid him around $150 for the ring, and someone else who paid his way to attend that brony con or something. The most expensive thing I sent to him was that care package with the sardines (around $75 or so) after his house was totaled in the fire.

I'd like to know that as well. I'm sure he had an actual IQ test when he was a kid to see if he was retarded, but highly doubt he's had anything official as an adult. He's taken some of those bullshit online IQ tests, but those aren't accurate in the least. And most people's IQs decline as they age, especially if they do nothing to exercise their intellect. At best Chris' intelligence has stagnated, and at worst has taken a massive nose dive.

I thought it was recorded somewhere in the CWCki that he was tested and it was average.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I thought it was recorded somewhere in the CWCki that he was tested and it was average.

No, Chris had a very, very brief assessment with someone, and Barb accompanied him.

 

[The Dude]

I thought it was recorded somewhere in the CWCki that he was tested and it was average.

Don't make the mistake of believing the CWCki is built on a bedrock foundation of facts and truth. While there is a lot of accuracy, there is also much conjecture and hyperbole. Not only that, but a lot of the info comes from Chris himself, and he is far from the most trustworthy narrator. If Chris' IQ is "average" then it's likely as the extreme bottome end of "average, cuddled up all cozy-like with the border to below average. Like Autism, intelligence is a spectrum with many more factors besides IQ contributing towards it.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

I'm genuinely curious if it's possible to get Chris into a home without his full compliance (which we all know will never happen)

What kind of "homes" are even an option, even if he did comply?

A group home that could take care of people with severe mental illnesses.

Absolutely. Mental illness and retardation carried a very negative stigma for people from Bob and Barb's generations. Especially Bob's. It was common back when Bob was growing up for families that had mentally disabled children/family members to just drop them off at their nearest mental asylum and pretend like they never existed. Retarded children and mentally ill family members were the "dirty family secret" and were locked away unseen, sometimes in an asylum and sometimes in the attic/cellar, to spare the family the shame and embarrassment of anyone finding out about them. And while it's understandable that Bob would still have that stigma nagging at his mind, he was also a fairly enlightened guy for someone his age and having lived his life in that part of the country, so you'd hope he would have been a little more open minded and receptive to what the teachers and faculty were trying to tell them. Barb on the other hand, well I think she was a big part of the reason things played out the way they did. I think she got defensive and panicky, feeling her worth as a parent was being questioned and fearful the school district wanted to lock her little boy away in some facility, and once that notion hit her then that was that. She wouldn't hear another word about it and wouldn't entertain the idea that it was anything other than some nasty asylum where she would never see her baby boy again.

And I agree that we should have never fully deinstitutionalized like we did. There were facilities that provided quality, humane care for their charges and their loss is a disservice to the country. I do feel there should be larger, dedicated mental health facilities/hospitals/asylums again, but with better oversight than in decades past so the unethical and cruel treatment many facilities were known for doesn’t happen again.

I mean... It doesn’t take many minutes browsing the farms to make some pretty good arguments for (re)institutionalization.

Or take a walk in any major American (or European) city. Quite a few of the mentally ill homeless people you see, would probably be better off in some kind of institution. Maybe with a day pass kinda deal so they're not locked up 24-7.

I don’t think it’s an accident that de institutionalization came along at the time that critical theory and social Marxism started seeping into medical schools. The whole “mentally ill people are an oppressed class, and they and their community knows better what care they need than some rich, white doctor”-kinda thinking.

Well, that’s not the way the world works.

The Ladd School in Exeter was one of those places that shut down in 1994. It became an embarrassment to the state because of reports of neglect and abuse.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Don't make the mistake of believing the CWCki is built on a bedrock foundation of facts and truth. While there is a lot of accuracy, there is also much conjecture and hyperbole. Not only that, but a lot of the info comes from Chris himself, and he is far from the most trustworthy narrator. If Chris' IQ is "average" then it's likely as the extreme bottome end of "average, cuddled up all cozy-like with the border to below average. Like Autism, intelligence is a spectrum with many more factors besides IQ contributing towards it.

Wasn't there some document that was fished from Chris' trash where someone assessed how weird he was and the fact that he was an adult wearing shrinky dinks to the appointment.

MENTAL STATUS EXAM:
The patient is a mildly overweight, white male, wearing blue jeans and a shirt. He was also wearing a makeshift necklace that has a large plastic medallion in the shape of a Pokeman [sic] characters [sic] head. He also had a number of “shrinky dink” decorations attached to this necklace. He had a large backpack that he carried with him and had a notebook containing a large number of drawings. He showed the examiner an extensive set of trading cards, which he created for his video game characters. The artwork was hand drawn and then scanned into the computer for transfer to the card. He had a number of statistics and other information on the backside of the card. The patient pointed out a series of cards that were of a video game theme, but depicted him in various difficult situations in which he has dealt with recently. He also presented the examiner with his business card containing a link to his website. His speech was somewhat nasal with frequent, awkward laughing during his sentences. His speech was fluent. His responses were appropriate to the questions posed to him. Overall, the volume of his speech was slightly elevated, although his tone was generally pleasant and almost jovial. His thought processes were linear and logical. He was somewhat concrete, especially regarding social interactions. He seemed to have good insight into his limitations. As suggested above, his thought content was largely based on his interest in Pokeman [sic] and sonic [sic] cartoons. He did not express any delusional thought content. There was perhaps an obsessional quality to his preoccupation with finding a girlfriend, although he did not feel that this was a problem for him. He did not voice any perceptual disturbances and did not seem to be responding to internal stimuli. His impulse control appeared to be good during the interview and his judgment was fair, although social judgment was likely somewhat limited.

Folstein score was 30/30 with his sentence being, “Uncle Spunky is a really funky monkey.”

IMPRESSION:
Mr. Chandler is a 22-year-old man with a history of developmental delays and autism. Despite these limitations, he seems to have been quite successful in maximizing his academic abilities. Despite his significant delays in language, he has over the years developed relatively affective [sic] communication skills. He is left, however, with a severe degree of social awkwardness and seems to have good insight into this. He is left feeling somewhat frustrated as he has a strong desire for companionship, although his social limitations prevent him from being able to realize this in the way which he would like. He has been on antidepressants for many years and it is not entirely clear what role they played. As mentioned above, there is a certain obsessional quality to his thoughts, although it is not clear that he meets criteria for an obsessive-compulsive disorder. Overall, he has a sense that the Paxil has been affective [sic] in tempering his frustrations and anger. His parents also feel he has benefited from it. He would possibly benefit from psychotherapy, although this would need to be tailored to his interpersonal style. Ideally this would be done in a setting tailored to patients with this sort of developmental problem. Based on the information available at this time, the patient doesn't seem to pose a significant threat to himself or anyone else. There is some suggestion that the anger control has been a problem, although how that has manifested itself is unclearly [sic]. He certainly has no history of physical violence which would suggest any future risk.

Here's an excerpt from the autism papers, and you can tell that Barb lied about a lot of stuff because we have a lot of his homework to prove it. I think these were the papers from that time he was kicked out out school.

 

[The Dude]

Wasn't there some document that was fished from Chris' trash where someone assessed how weird he was and the fact that he was an adult wearing shrinky dinks to the appointment.

Here's an excerpt from the autism papers, and you can tell that Barb lied about a lot of stuff because we have a lot of his homework to prove it. I think these were the papers from that time he was kicked out out school.

IIRC this was indeed brought about by his suspension from PVCC by Mary Lee Walsh. Probably because his utter lack of self-control and explosive emotional outbursts when not getting his way or being confronted over his unacceptable behavior.

 

[Picklechu]

So how much money is Chris getting out of this Reverse Mortgage? Is Barb taking the lions share and giving Chris an allowance to buy a few Transformers every month, or does Chris have some sort of equal access to the money coming in?

If the reverse mortgage does exist, I pretty much guarantee Barb keeps it all. The reason Chris hasn't begged is because Barb hasn't demanded his tugboat.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

Autistic people like you and Chris are retarded.

 

[Rupin]

If the reverse mortgage does exist, I pretty much guarantee Barb keeps it all. The reason Chris hasn't begged is because Barb hasn't demanded his tugboat.


Yes it is.

Autistic people like you and Chris are retarded.

If the reverse mortgage does exist, I pretty much guarantee Barb keeps it all. The reason Chris hasn't begged is because Barb hasn't demanded his tugboat.


Yes it is.

Autistic people like you and Chris are retarded.

Barb does not keep it all. She has limited control over Chris at best And from what we have seen the videos, I highly doubt that she has enough mental capacity to really understand what is going on with her home finances since Chris most likely handles most of that.

 

[SssneakySssnek]

The Grafton School treats a wide variety of people with developmental and behavioral disorders. It has the resources and specialized training for people on the autism spectrum that a mainstream school does not. Again low functioning autism is autism + mental retardation (i.e. a measurable IQ below 70). Actually no, I don't see him as a friend in the same way I interact with other Facebook friends but he was kind of an associate. No actually I don't defend him and never have when he acted like an idiot.

I agree that he has withdrawn into a fantasy world of MLP, transformers, video games and deity of the Commodore consoles and whatever. But that is not mental retardation as far as IQ is concerned. That is a schizophrenia like disorder. High Functioning Autism is simply autism with a normal iQ (>70). His IQ was tested, it is around 100 to 110 which is average.

So....you have an autism diagnosis huh? We get it you aren't statistically retarded just functionally retarded