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It had promised before they went all She-Ra and made everybody special alphabet charactersSo just dead air?
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It had promised before they went all She-Ra and made everybody special alphabet charactersSo just dead air?
I remember really liking Star Vs. when it came out because it reminded me of the Powerpuff Girls in how cutesy and very violent it was. Then I lost track of it, and later discovered the finale was having Star stop one genocide by committing another. Huh.Same show, slightly different changes.
1.) The shipping was fine, even sweet at times, but it dragged out one season too long. Them getting together could've easily been part of the season 3 finale.
2.) Nut up and make Eclipsa the well intentioned but totalitarian dictator that she was implied to be. There were all these hints with her power of spying, mind control, etc, that she was running some kind of 1984 forced racial integration project... and then it turned out history just hated her for being a coalburner.
3.) In fact, just have more moral ambiguity between monsters and Mewmans in general. WHY were those unions feared so much? Is it possibly because, in the one example we have, it produced a child who turned out to be a total psychopath with dangerously unstable magic? Maybe those hybrids are inherently dangerous, and it ended up creating a racial tension that wouldn't exist otherwise? Because THAT would be an interesting story, much more than "wypipo colonizing muh sacred Native Americans".
4.) Not have Star destroy magic, which made no goddamn sense. Instead, democratize it so monsters can use it as well.
5.) Follow through on the "evil Marco" hints that we kept getting. Monster Arm, Toffee's mirror, his magic marks in Deep Dive... strong indications that he had both a hidden darkness and a sleeping power. I really thought Marco has going to lose his shit at some point over getting cucked and become a/THE villain, at least temporarily. Never followed up on. Maybe make him Eclipsa's student or something like that.
6.) Kill/remove Pony Head. She contributes NOTHING.
Season 2 had such amazing promise, but it just never quite delivered. There's probably more, but I've sperged about children's cartoons enough.
So before it was conceptualized?It had promised before they went all She-Ra and made everybody special alphabet characters
Despite everything, Star VS WAS a good show. It just could've been so much more.I remember really liking Star Vs. when it came out because it reminded me of the Powerpuff Girls in how cutesy and very violent it was. Then I lost track of it, and later discovered the finale was having Star stop one genocide by committing another. Huh.
Damn, you got me.Legend of Korra.
-Don't set it in the 1920's
-Don't make the next Avatar an ass-kicking girlboss who is holding the idiot ball so closely she's gonna get a traveling penalty
-Don't have a hackneyed romance triangle that turns the entire fandom off to the very idea of this show writing romance (except for a tiny tiny subset of fetishists who think the two female characters are cute)
-Don't kill your main character's connection to the avatars of the past and then handwave it away in less than 10 minutes of screen time
Better yet,
-Don't make it at all
Unironically I'd rather watch middle-aged Aang and the gang as a sequel series over the mess that was Korra.
At this point i can change the concept of artificial creation by just biological classic humanoid ones but with born gem crests (at least the original ones, not the Jaspers or Amethysts).I like this topic and I've got a few more, so... Steven Universe. An almost good show buried underneath an absolute mountain of dogshit. Rather than a plot rewrite, this is more along the lines of "this retarded thing in the show, do less of it" and "this cool thing in the show, do more of it".
There's probably more but holy shit that ended up being three times as long as I expected.
- Seriously cut down on the Townie shit. Nobody cares.
- Seriously cut down on the Lesbian Space Rock shit. Nobody cares. With a couple exceptions.
- I'll allow Ruby and Sapphire because even though I don't personally give a shit, it's relevant to the story, Emphasize the slow development of their relationship rather than "love at first sight". There was a whole episode where Garnet talked about how that isn't a thing, and how true love needs development and understanding, which was a surprisingly mature message for a kids' show. Then later we found out that Garnet was born when Ruby and Sapphire accidentally fu
cksed and immediately abandoned their whole lives for each other. Fucking hell. Would've been far more interesting if they had slowly developed a relationship in secret while Ruby was acting as Sapphire's bodyguard or something like that.- I'll also allow Pearl and Rose Quartz because that one is honestly fucking fascinating. This one deals with the two things the show actually does well: The gems as absolute aliens, and the tragic heroes that Rose Quartz made through her own selfish actions. Pearl was literally programmed to love and serve Rose. And all Rose wanted was for her to be a free equal. Then Greg came along and not only stole Rose's heart (to the extent she had one), but took Rose away forever when they decided to have a child. Rose KNEW she would die in childbirth, and now there's Steven. The last remnant of Rose, and also the reason she's gone forever. While there are indications that she made progress, there's a strong argument to be made that Pearl never truly broke the programming and became her own individual independent of Rose, her master and unrequited lover. Being Pearl is suffering.
- One thing I will give Sucrose credit for is xir ability to write tragic heroes. Pearl, as above. Garnet, who had to give up her home, her people, her entire life for the sake of love. Amythest, the earthborn Gem who fought for the land of her birth but never quite fit with either culture. Greg, who lost his wife so his son could be born. Rose, who knew she would die giving birth to Steven, and did it anyway. And Steven himself, torn between two worlds, the weight of both on his shoulders as he bears the consequences of his mother's selfishness and a war that ended before he was born. MORE OF THIS SORT OF THING
- In other words, pretty much everything actually INTERESTING in the show is seeing how the Gem war touched the lives of individuals. Just make all of Steven Universe about that and it would actually be excellent.
- Be more consistent in emphasizing the sheer otherness of the Gems. Half the time they're an utterly alien race who basically see humans as animals. Half the time they're just funny looking humans. They are MUCH more interesting as complete aliens.
- Treat fusion consistently. Is it a thinly veiled metaphor for sex, or is it a battle tactic? Pick one, I don't care which.
- Explain just the hell White Diamond actually IS. She's the progenitor of Gems, I guess? But that doesn't explain a damn thing.
- Also explain Lion. Yeah, I get that he's a regular lion to whomst Rose Quartz did... something. Again, not an explanation.
- The Gems are OBVIOUSLY an engineered race. Their reproductive processes are clearly artificial and could not possibly occur in nature. So. Who made them? That's a season or two right there.
- Lars and Sadie. Just... fucking... Lars and Sadie. Mostly Lars. Am I supposed to sympathize with him? Because I don't. He's afraid of being lonely, which would be a legitimate fear, if people didn't treat him far better than he deserves. He's consistently a piece of shit to everyone around him, leaving a destructive trail that would put Bojack Horseman to shame. Which might be forgivable if, like Bojack, he was an interesting character. But he's not. He's just a fucking tool. I don't even know how I would fix him. I'd probably just remove him.
- No Stevonnie. Holy fuck that shit was creepy.
I see your Western style DBZ and I'll raise you one Filmation style DBZ.What if "DBZ" was animated in the Western style of old cartoons? They already have the Pugnacious Character template for most of the fighters.
You made me far less ashamed I used to like that show.I like this topic and I've got a few more, so... Steven Universe. An almost good show buried underneath an absolute mountain of dogshit. Rather than a plot rewrite, this is more along the lines of "this retarded thing in the show, do less of it" and "this cool thing in the show, do more of it".
There's probably more but holy shit that ended up being three times as long as I expected.
- Seriously cut down on the Townie shit. Nobody cares.
- Seriously cut down on the Lesbian Space Rock shit. Nobody cares. With a couple exceptions.
- I'll allow Ruby and Sapphire because even though I don't personally give a shit, it's relevant to the story, Emphasize the slow development of their relationship rather than "love at first sight". There was a whole episode where Garnet talked about how that isn't a thing, and how true love needs development and understanding, which was a surprisingly mature message for a kids' show. Then later we found out that Garnet was born when Ruby and Sapphire accidentally fu
cksed and immediately abandoned their whole lives for each other. Fucking hell. Would've been far more interesting if they had slowly developed a relationship in secret while Ruby was acting as Sapphire's bodyguard or something like that.- I'll also allow Pearl and Rose Quartz because that one is honestly fucking fascinating. This one deals with the two things the show actually does well: The gems as absolute aliens, and the tragic heroes that Rose Quartz made through her own selfish actions. Pearl was literally programmed to love and serve Rose. And all Rose wanted was for her to be a free equal. Then Greg came along and not only stole Rose's heart (to the extent she had one), but took Rose away forever when they decided to have a child. Rose KNEW she would die in childbirth, and now there's Steven. The last remnant of Rose, and also the reason she's gone forever. While there are indications that she made progress, there's a strong argument to be made that Pearl never truly broke the programming and became her own individual independent of Rose, her master and unrequited lover. Being Pearl is suffering.
- One thing I will give Sucrose credit for is xir ability to write tragic heroes. Pearl, as above. Garnet, who had to give up her home, her people, her entire life for the sake of love. Amythest, the earthborn Gem who fought for the land of her birth but never quite fit with either culture. Greg, who lost his wife so his son could be born. Rose, who knew she would die giving birth to Steven, and did it anyway. And Steven himself, torn between two worlds, the weight of both on his shoulders as he bears the consequences of his mother's selfishness and a war that ended before he was born. MORE OF THIS SORT OF THING
- In other words, pretty much everything actually INTERESTING in the show is seeing how the Gem war touched the lives of individuals. Just make all of Steven Universe about that and it would actually be excellent.
- Be more consistent in emphasizing the sheer otherness of the Gems. Half the time they're an utterly alien race who basically see humans as animals. Half the time they're just funny looking humans. They are MUCH more interesting as complete aliens.
- Treat fusion consistently. Is it a thinly veiled metaphor for sex, or is it a battle tactic? Pick one, I don't care which.
- Explain just the hell White Diamond actually IS. She's the progenitor of Gems, I guess? But that doesn't explain a damn thing.
- Also explain Lion. Yeah, I get that he's a regular lion to whomst Rose Quartz did... something. Again, not an explanation.
- The Gems are OBVIOUSLY an engineered race. Their reproductive processes are clearly artificial and could not possibly occur in nature. So. Who made them? That's a season or two right there.
- Lars and Sadie. Just... fucking... Lars and Sadie. Mostly Lars. Am I supposed to sympathize with him? Because I don't. He's afraid of being lonely, which would be a legitimate fear, if people didn't treat him far better than he deserves. He's consistently a piece of shit to everyone around him, leaving a destructive trail that would put Bojack Horseman to shame. Which might be forgivable if, like Bojack, he was an interesting character. But he's not. He's just a fucking tool. I don't even know how I would fix him. I'd probably just remove him.
- No Stevonnie. Holy fuck that shit was creepy.
Everybody shits on Steven Universe, and don't get me wrong, a LOT of it is deserved. But both fans and critics forget that, at its best, there's far more interesting stuff going on than lesbian space rocks. There are some genuinely amazing moments.You made me far less ashamed I used to like that show.
Wow... great stuff. You honestly have some genuinely great ideas. This is what the show COULD'VE been. The biggest problem of the show is just how inconsistent it can be or how certain plot points get brought up but never touched again. I agree, the whole Lars/Sadie romance literally makes no sense at all... I always hated that back and forth "will they, won't they?". Though I will admit Lars becoming a space captain was pretty cool.I like this topic and I've got a few more, so... Steven Universe. An almost good show buried underneath an absolute mountain of dogshit. Rather than a plot rewrite, this is more along the lines of "this retarded thing in the show, do less of it" and "this cool thing in the show, do more of it".
There's probably more but holy shit that ended up being three times as long as I expected.
- Seriously cut down on the Townie shit. Nobody cares.
- Seriously cut down on the Lesbian Space Rock shit. Nobody cares. With a couple exceptions.
- I'll allow Ruby and Sapphire because even though I don't personally give a shit, it's relevant to the story, Emphasize the slow development of their relationship rather than "love at first sight". There was a whole episode where Garnet talked about how that isn't a thing, and how true love needs development and understanding, which was a surprisingly mature message for a kids' show. Then later we found out that Garnet was born when Ruby and Sapphire accidentally fu
cksed and immediately abandoned their whole lives for each other. Fucking hell. Would've been far more interesting if they had slowly developed a relationship in secret while Ruby was acting as Sapphire's bodyguard or something like that.- I'll also allow Pearl and Rose Quartz because that one is honestly fucking fascinating. This one deals with the two things the show actually does well: The gems as absolute aliens, and the tragic heroes that Rose Quartz made through her own selfish actions. Pearl was literally programmed to love and serve Rose. And all Rose wanted was for her to be a free equal. Then Greg came along and not only stole Rose's heart (to the extent she had one), but took Rose away forever when they decided to have a child. Rose KNEW she would die in childbirth, and now there's Steven. The last remnant of Rose, and also the reason she's gone forever. While there are indications that she made progress, there's a strong argument to be made that Pearl never truly broke the programming and became her own individual independent of Rose, her master and unrequited lover. Being Pearl is suffering.
- One thing I will give Sucrose credit for is xir ability to write tragic heroes. Pearl, as above. Garnet, who had to give up her home, her people, her entire life for the sake of love. Amythest, the earthborn Gem who fought for the land of her birth but never quite fit with either culture. Greg, who lost his wife so his son could be born. Rose, who knew she would die giving birth to Steven, and did it anyway. And Steven himself, torn between two worlds, the weight of both on his shoulders as he bears the consequences of his mother's selfishness and a war that ended before he was born. MORE OF THIS SORT OF THING
- In other words, pretty much everything actually INTERESTING in the show is seeing how the Gem war touched the lives of individuals. Just make all of Steven Universe about that and it would actually be excellent.
- Be more consistent in emphasizing the sheer otherness of the Gems. Half the time they're an utterly alien race who basically see humans as animals. Half the time they're just funny looking humans. They are MUCH more interesting as complete aliens.
- Treat fusion consistently. Is it a thinly veiled metaphor for sex, or is it a battle tactic? Pick one, I don't care which.
- Explain just the hell White Diamond actually IS. She's the progenitor of Gems, I guess? But that doesn't explain a damn thing.
- Also explain Lion. Yeah, I get that he's a regular lion to whomst Rose Quartz did... something. Again, not an explanation.
- The Gems are OBVIOUSLY an engineered race. Their reproductive processes are clearly artificial and could not possibly occur in nature. So. Who made them? That's a season or two right there.
- Lars and Sadie. Just... fucking... Lars and Sadie. Mostly Lars. Am I supposed to sympathize with him? Because I don't. He's afraid of being lonely, which would be a legitimate fear, if people didn't treat him far better than he deserves. He's consistently a piece of shit to everyone around him, leaving a destructive trail that would put Bojack Horseman to shame. Which might be forgivable if, like Bojack, he was an interesting character. But he's not. He's just a fucking tool. I don't even know how I would fix him. I'd probably just remove him.
- No Stevonnie. Holy fuck that shit was creepy.
I'd like to see those animated missing episodes of Doctor Who from the 60s, remade in the style of Hanna Barberra. There's a (probably false) rumor that the "Fonzie and the Happy Days Gang" cartoon was originally going to be a Doctor Who cartoon. I know it would've been a disaster, but part of me really wants to see how that would have turned out.I see your Western style DBZ and I'll raise you one Filmation style DBZ.
Whaaaaaaaaaat?!There's a (probably false) rumor that the "Fonzie and the Happy Days Gang" cartoon was originally going to be a Doctor Who cartoon.