Rick Perry drops out of race

I agree. But I also think the combination of non-party list elections and not having a parliamentary system makes American politics even more personality-driven than other countries, which lends itself to more stupidity and superficiality. The plus side is that it allows great individual leaders to emerge, but that happens all too infrequently.
 
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John McCain was in the same boat around this time in 2007, but he managed to turn it around. Then again, he wasn't under felony indictment like Perry currently is.
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Let's be real, said indictment is a complete farce to begin with.

Though something being a complete farce has never meant it can't succeed. Donald Trump and Ben Carson and Hillary Clinton are testaments to that.
 
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Though something being a complete farce has never meant it can't succeed. Donald Trump and Ben Carson and Hillary Clinton are testaments to that.
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At least Hilary has served the public office in more the one way. Like she was an actual politician, not some random assholes who think they can make the country "run good".
 
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At least Hilary has served the public office in more the one way. Like she was an actual politician, not some random assholes who think they can make the country "run good".
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Hillary Clinton's a shameless carpetbagger, a career flip flopper, a donor money shark, and has a horrible record in all of her political offices when she wasn't going out of her way to avoid doing anything that'd garner attention or involve actually having to make a decision.

What breaks my heart? I'm not sure if that's the worst option anymore.
 
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Hillary Clinton's a shameless carpetbagger, a career flip flopper, a donor money shark, and has a horrible record in all of her political offices when she wasn't going out of her way to avoid doing anything that'd garner attention or involve actually having to make a decision.

What breaks my heart? I'm not sure if that's the worst option anymore.
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Is Donald Trump still running? That might make one reconsider.
 
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Just hope and pray it's Carson/Sanders instead of Trump/Clinton. Granted, it's not an ideal combination, but in my opinion, either of them is preferable to the scenario you proposed.
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No question. I'd be fine with Biden, and quite a few of the Republican candidates. I hate Carson, but I'd still take him over Trump or Clinton any day.

The other Democrats who aren't Biden, Hillary, or Sanders don't matter enough to be worth pondering. I doubt the next year will change that.
 
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No question. I'd be fine with Biden, and quite a few of the Republican candidates. I hate Carson, but I'd still take him over Trump or Clinton any day.

The other Democrats who aren't Biden, Hillary, or Sanders don't matter enough to be worth pondering. I doubt the next year will change that.
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Although on the up side, if Carson makes it, the left can't play the race card the way they usually do. Apart from that, though, as long as it's not Hillary or Trump, I can get behind almost anything else. I do not think of politicians in any positive terms, but unfortunately, it's become choosing between the lesser of two evils.
 
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If it comes down to Trump/Clinton, a prospect that is to this day an uncomfortably likely possibility, I'm thinking of moving to Japan. The Yakuza are a much classier and more respectable bunch in comparison.
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That remains nonsense. Tell me a single credible candidate Trump wins heads-up against.

As Nate Silver has shown, Trump's numbers are upside-down in his own party.

Here, this picture basically explains it and doesn't need much to understand.

It's a graph of approval by name recognition and positive/negative within the party of the candidate, not the general public. Trump is basically at the top or tied for the top on both name recognition and negatives.

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This is from back in September but the situation hasn't changed, and wouldn't. Despite name recognition as close to universal as you get, Trump's negatives are outliers to the point of absurdity. Even Al Sharpton had more credibility in his own party.

To reduce that to a sound bite: "A whopping 57 percent of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Trump, according to an average of the three most recent polls." That's with near-universal recognition, so it isn't as if people are going to hear about him suddenly and start approving.

That's 57 percent of Republicans who will not vote for him in a primary.

That is mathematical death. It means he can't conceivably win heads-up against anyone in the race currently.

About the only thing he could do is act as a spoiler independent in a three-way.

So I kind of hope he does that, but I kind of get tired of watching people pretend he's a real candidate when the numbers don't lie. He wasn't and isn't.
 
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To reduce that to a sound bite: "A whopping 57 percent of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Trump, according to an average of the three most recent polls." That's with near-universal recognition, so it isn't as if people are going to hear about him suddenly and start approving.

That's 57 percent of Republicans who will not vote for him in a primary.

That is mathematical death. It means he can't conceivably win heads-up against anyone in the race currently.
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It could be a major case of social desirability bias, especially among blue state Republicans. Even so, it's still highly doubtful that he has a realistic chance of winning the nomination.
 
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