Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

How will Bob react to seeing the Mario film?


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The problem is that bob is confusing the antihero and the antivillain... And is still using the latter wrong

I'd argue Kilmonger doesnt qualify for anti-villain and while I'm well aware that I'm arguing the semantics of a C-list Marvel villain at best, Kilmonger basically had a plan worthy of underpants gnomes:

Step 1: Arm the oppressed classes (okay probably black people) everywhere and whip them up into destabilizing governments across the globe
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: Better society? Honestly I'm not sure he thought this far ahead, the whole plan might just be step 1 forever.

Regardless, to bring this back on topic, I came up with this on the toilet which means that I have, quite literally, shat out better film theories than Movieblob. Point set match, bitch.
 
Except Vegeta didn't have a relatable motivation. It didn't even feel like revenge, he just told Goku, "yo please don't die. You are the last Saiyan now."

But the whole Cell saga is mostly caused by Vegeta being a gigantic fuck. Especially Perfect Cell. He's pure hubris. Its what makes him compelling. Not being an anti-hero.
Vegeta's only real time as a "hero" of any sort is at the very end of the Buu saga where he admitted his flaws. Even as a family man at the start of it, he was willing to throw it all away and kill so he wouldn't be so domesticated. Up until that point, the cast mostly put up with him because Goku likes punching his face and Vegeta became Bulma's plaything.

Of course, this isn't the first time Bob has had odd views on Dragon Ball. He seems to see it as a superhero "save the world!" series rather than the cast being full of "chaotic neutrals" who just want to fight rivals of increasing strength. Any "saving the world!" Goku and Vegeta do is coincidental.
 
How could Bob, "professional" "critic", watch Black Panther and Last Jedi like 20 times each and walk away going "yes, Kylo Ren/Killmonger are great anti-heroes. That is the intent of that film, yes."

Theres missing the point, and theres "seems like he wasnt even paying attention at any time"
 
How could Bob, "professional" "critic", watch Black Panther and Last Jedi like 20 times each and walk away going "yes, Kylo Ren/Killmonger are great anti-heroes. That is the intent of that film, yes."

Theres missing the point, and theres "seems like he wasnt even paying attention at any time"
Bob's just dumb. An incredibly, almost pathetically, stupid individual. He'd have better brain function if he lost weight, as it blocks blood-flow, and damages short term memory and thinking, (Link)

But of course, only Nazis care about personal health and fitness. It's an obvious Alt-Right, tribal delirium, caring about anything other than your 'intelligence'.
 
How could Bob, "professional" "critic", watch Black Panther and Last Jedi like 20 times each and walk away going "yes, Kylo Ren/Killmonger are great anti-heroes. That is the intent of that film, yes."

Theres missing the point, and theres "seems like he wasnt even paying attention at any time"
It's also amusing since he's said Kylo is a reflection of "the alt-right" so that leaves interesting implications.
 
It's also amusing since he's said Kylo is a reflection of "the alt-right" so that leaves interesting implications.
If Kylo symbolizes the Alt-Right, and if you go by the story of the Last Jedi, then that means the Alt-Right will overthrow the evil New World Order, killing the Emperor (Probably Sorous cuz ye) then send the Space Force to crush the Left resistance force.
 
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If Kylo symbolizes the Alt-Right, and if you go by the story of the Last Jedi, then that means the Alt-Right will overthrow the evil New World Order, killing the Emperor (Probably Sorous cuz ye) then send the Space Force to crush the Left resistance force.

It's a pretty bad metaphor, The new order actually works better as an 3rd reich to the The Galactic Empires Older Empires, such as Rome, British or Ottomans. More fanatical, obsessed with aping the past and insane as opposed to the cold ambitious discipline of the old Empire. The Alt right are not really a major threat and may never become one. They're certainly not an empire.

Non of the them ever consider the subtext that if the new order is a proxy for real world evils, what does it say about good when it's that weak and impotent?
 
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It's a pretty bad metaphor, The new order actually works better as an 3rd reich to the The Galactic Empires Older Empires, such as Rome, British or Ottomans. More fanatical, obsessed with aping the past and insane as opposed to the cold ambitious discipline of the old Empire. The Alt right are not really a major threat and may never become one. They're certainly not an empire.

Non of the them ever consider the subtext that if the new order is a proxy for real world evils, what does it say about good when it's that weak and impotent?

It's due to this horrible idiocy i kinda want him to play Fallout: New Vegas. Even better if he did a DSP style walkthrough, because it would probably be hilariously amazing and would give us a bit more insight in his derangement
 
It's a pretty bad metaphor, The new order actually works better as an 3rd reich to the The Empires Older Empires. More fanatical, obsessed with aping the past and insane as opposed to the cold ambitious discipline of the Empire. The Alt right are not really a major threat and may never become one. They're certainly not an empire.

Non of the them ever consider the subtext that if the new order is a proxy for real world evils, what does it say about good when it's that weak and impotent?

It says that the people who made TLJ had no idea what they were doing. If anything, they made the heroic rebel side look idiotic and thoughtless, constantly shooting themselves in the foot for no good reason. The entire movie (and the PLOT of said movie) is a good argument for why SJWs should never be put in charge of anything.

Also, NeoNazis have never been anything more than a fringe club for losers, because they had really nothing to offer Americans in the post WW2 era. As long as enough normal people had jobs, food and housing, there was no reason for them to dress up in brown shirts and march down the street (unless they wanted to be part of some edgy subculture where people dress funny, like Punk. ) White Nationalism would probably remain just a club for immature LARPers if the Media, Academia, and Democrat politicians/activists weren't pushing the "Kill Whitey" angle so hard. It's almost like radical Leftists WANT there to be a Hitler Fan Club so they can have some kind of opposition to point and screech "NAZI!" at...
 
It's almost like radical Leftists WANT there to be a Hitler Fan Club so they can have some kind of opposition to point and screech "NAZI!" at...

Anything to avoid focusing on something relevant. Bread and circuses. Why talk about the fact we're totally fucked one every level when you can bitch about some angry prick who doesnt matter?
 
It says that the people who made TLJ had no idea what they were doing. If anything, they made the heroic rebel side look idiotic and thoughtless, constantly shooting themselves in the foot for no good reason. The entire movie (and the PLOT of said movie) is a good argument for why SJWs should never be put in charge of anything.

Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy were trying to present themselves as more clever than they really were. They share that hubris with Bob, who believes that subverting an existing work makes the act intelligent. Bob's problem is that his knowledge of comparative mythology is incredibly feeble. From what I understand, he disdains popular archetypes and the hero's journey because he sees them as tired cliches without understanding why they have endured for centuries. Joseph Campbell--whose work inspired George Lucas when he was writing the the original Star Wars--was himself inspired like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung who sought to better understand the human condition.

Bob (incorrectly) assumes that he understands the human condition in its entirety because chose the "winning" ideology. He assumes that he knows how myth and archetypes work as such and can deconstruct/subvert them, but lacks the tools to reconstruct them. Neither Bob, nor his contemporaries can abide by the notion that they have anything to learn since they already "know" everything. They lack the curiosity and drive to examine the various pieces they dissect beyond of the woefully narrow lens of identity politics. Imagine that Bob is disassembling a car, the frame may be the same but all the pieces would be in the wrong places. Even the frame itself would be warped in some places because he attempted to force a piece into a place where it did not fit.

Given his skewed perceptions, it does not matter that the Resistance were so inept that a bunch of bumbling Empire cosplayers wiped them out in the span of two hours. What Bob really wants is to take something scared to a group he despises, smash its icons, and pervert it out of spite so he can lord his perceived intellectual "superiority" over them. He could not give less of a damn about Star Wars or Marvel. If I had to speculate, I would theorize that this attitude stems from his experience with Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. Bob spent the majority of his childhood in the eighties and thus took the unofficial backstory that Mario and Luigi were plumbers from Brooklyn as scripture. Yoshi's Island sees release in 1995 and establishes that the Mario Bros. were--in fact--always denizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. Nintendo effectively took a sledgehammer to his beloved icon and committed the ultimate act of heresy.

(That would probably be one of the chief reasons why Bob hates the nineties outside of Sega, and later Sony, breaking Nintendo's hegemonic hold on the industry.)

Since Nintendo will not give Bob "his" Mario back, he will join with the SJWs in their hostile takeover of popular culture. His embrace of social justice is little more than a flimsy raison d'être to take from others what Nintendo took from him.
 
Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy were trying to present themselves as more clever than they really were. They share that hubris with Bob, who believes that subverting an existing work makes the act intelligent. Bob's problem is that his knowledge of comparative mythology is incredibly feeble. From what I understand, he disdains popular archetypes and the hero's journey because he sees them as tired cliches without understanding why they have endured for centuries. Joseph Campbell--whose work inspired George Lucas when he was writing the the original Star Wars--was himself inspired like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung who sought to better understand the human condition.

Bob (incorrectly) assumes that he understands the human condition in its entirety because chose the "winning" ideology. He assumes that he knows how myth and archetypes work as such and can deconstruct/subvert them, but lacks the tools to reconstruct them. Neither Bob, nor his contemporaries can abide by the notion that they have anything to learn since they already "know" everything. They lack the curiosity and drive to examine the various pieces they dissect beyond of the woefully narrow lens of identity politics. Imagine that Bob is disassembling a car, the frame may be the same but all the pieces would be in the wrong places. Even the frame itself would be warped in some places because he attempted to force a piece into a place where it did not fit.

Given his skewed perceptions, it does not matter that the Resistance were so inept that a bunch of bumbling Empire cosplayers wiped them out in the span of two hours. What Bob really wants is to take something scared to a group he despises, smash its icons, and pervert it out of spite so he can lord his perceived intellectual "superiority" over them. He could not give less of a damn about Star Wars or Marvel. If I had to speculate, I would theorize that this attitude stems from his experience with Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. Bob spent the majority of his childhood in the eighties and thus took the unofficial backstory that Mario and Luigi were plumbers from Brooklyn as scripture. Yoshi's Island sees release in 1995 and establishes that the Mario Bros. were--in fact--always denizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. Nintendo effectively took a sledgehammer to his beloved icon and committed the ultimate act of heresy.

(That would probably be one of the chief reasons why Bob hates the nineties outside of Sega, and later Sony, breaking Nintendo's hegemonic hold on the industry.)

Since Nintendo will not give Bob "his" Mario back, he will join with the SJWs in their hostile takeover of popular culture. His embrace of social justice is little more than a flimsy raison d'être to take from others what Nintendo took from him.
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I hope not. He has the hottest of the takes on Dragon Ball Zed. I'm afraid my brain hasn't swollen up to Bob's size, possibly because I don't ingest nearly as many nitrates, so this just goes right over my head.

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They aren't heros. They are both the villain in their movies. Also, after Bob proudly came up with Care Bears meets Paradise Lost, does he not remember that Paradise lost had the ultimate antihero: Satan?
 
Admittedly it's been over a decade since I read Dragonball, but I don't recall Vegeta ever being presented as an anti-hero. I remember him being a straight up villain. A rude, egotistical and arrogant asshole who only cares about himself and becoming stronger.

He abandoned Trunks, his son, to pursue more power and he never once shows any remorse or regret over that. Doesn't Trunks confront him about that and tries to see the good in him before concluding that there is none and that he is irredeemably evil?
 
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There's a shift in the Boo arc where Vegeta eventually (begrudgingly) acknowledges that he cares about his family and his life on Earth, and comes to sacrifice himself and accept Goku as being better than him, and he can be considered more-or-less heroic throughout Super, but yeah, throughout most of Dragon Ball, Vegeta is just straight up evil but ends up cooperating with the heroes because of a greater threat/desire to prove himself to be stronger than Goku.

Bob's description of him as "angry/evil but you kinda get it" is absolutely hilarious given that Vegeta has been consistently depicted as incredibly petty and consistently making matters worse due to his own pride. He's not really depicted as particularly sympathetic until the point where he actually mellows out, and his character only really works due to Toriyama's particular approach to storytelling.
 
There's a shift in the Boo arc where Vegeta eventually (begrudgingly) acknowledges that he cares about his family and his life on Earth, and comes to sacrifice himself and accept Goku as being better than him, and he can be considered more-or-less heroic throughout Super, but yeah, throughout most of Dragon Ball, Vegeta is just straight up evil but ends up cooperating with the heroes because of a greater threat/desire to prove himself to be stronger than Goku.

Bob's description of him as "angry/evil but you kinda get it" is absolutely hilarious given that Vegeta has been consistently depicted as incredibly petty and consistently making matters worse due to his own pride. He's not really depicted as particularly sympathetic until the point where he actually mellows out, and his character only really works due to Toriyama's particular approach to storytelling.

Does Bob know the Red Hood fits his description more than Vegeta? Oh, wait he doesn't know because he doesn't give one flying fuck about comics, or relates them to Dudebros to dismiss him completely.. Even RH isn't evil in the traditional sense since he has limits of the things he can do, and won't do.
 
Bob's description of him as "angry/evil but you kinda get it" is absolutely hilarious given that Vegeta has been consistently depicted as incredibly petty and consistently making matters worse due to his own pride. He's not really depicted as particularly sympathetic until the point where he actually mellows out, and his character only really works due to Toriyama's particular approach to storytelling.
Keep in mind that Bob has likely not read the manga nor watch the entire anime and just use Wikipedia to make his half ass opinions.
 
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