Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[iafiv]

I thought Spielberg made Saving Private Ryan because he wanted more of them Oscars like he got with Schindler's List.

Obviously that played a part but all historical movies have a subtext of modern day relevance for whatever era they were made in.Why do you think during the Obama years there was a surge of movies dealing with historical black issues?The answer is obvious.Historical movies are never really about the past they're about the present in which they were made.Forrest Gump with its clear 90's sensibility was not about what Gump did during Vietnam it was always about social issues in the early 90's.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Obviously that played a part but all historical movies have a subtext of modern day relevance for whatever era they were made in.Why do you think during the Obama years there was a surge of movies dealing with historical black issues?The answer is obvious.Historical movies are never really about the past they're about the present in which they were made.Forrest Gump with its clear 90's sensibility was not about what Gump did during Vietnam it was always about social issues in the early 90's.

Makes me wonder if all these overtly feminist films are Hollywood's misguided attempt at sticking it to Trump.

 

[King Dead]

Makes me wonder if all these overtly feminist films are Hollywood's misguided attempt at sticking it to Trump.

Hell, the entire #MeToo movement was an attempt to take down Trump.

Spoiler: ironic they named their movement "pound me too"

Weinstein may have been a prolific Democrat, but he was an acceptable sacrifice; his production company wasn't banging out the hits like he was banging aspiring actresses, and he wasn't the mover and shaker and Oscar-winner he used to be. That, and the fact that he's a fat ugly sonofabitch that nobody would feel sympathy for, and he was the perfect match to throw on the powderkeg that is Hollywood's decades of sexual impropriety.

Of course, the goal wasn't really just to deal with sexual predators in entertainment, but instead to turn Trump into a pariah. Messy divorces, rumors of fooling around, Trump's brash nature and mannerisms, the Stormy Daniels settlement, and let's not forget the Access Hollywood tape that popped up at just the right moment oh so conveniently: #MeToo was supposed to make such things 100% not okay, forcing people to abandon their support of his campaign and paving the way for yass kween Hillary herself.

But they failed miserably. The biggest reason is all the baggage surrounding Hillary in the form of Bill's own heinous record of sexual assault, as well as bringing up the double standards where they excused it constantly during Bill's impeachment ("of course presidents will fool around, what are you, a prude?"). Trump flipped the script and brought Bill's accusers into the limelight, hanging those millstones around Hillary's neck for the duration of the campaign. Apparently, you're actually not supposed to believe women if they're accusing the wrong targets. The wild double standards proved that #MeToo was only supposed to hurt Republicans, seen a couple years later with the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. At this point, I'd question the logic behind starting a movement to hurt Republicans in an industry that is overwhelmingly Democrat.

And meanwhile in Hollywood, allegations of all kinds flew wildly, dozens upon dozens of careers were ended overnight, but I imagine for the most part things have gone back to normal. Maybe there are a few more female board members in studios or something, maybe there's been more sensitivity training, but I have no doubt there's still plenty of seedy shit going on between those in charge and actresses trying to get their big break, to say nothing of the rampant pedophilia that has ruined far too many child stars. They'll keep up their righteous indignation and curse the "Rapist-in-Chief," but at the end of the day, they're still whores.

Y'know how I know #MeToo is bullshit? Aside from Rose McGowan (and only because she doesn't have a career left to lose), there's not a damn peep out of Hollywood when it comes to Joe Biden's increasingly-credible sexual assault accusations from Tara Reade, to say nothing of his years and years of creepy behavior toward women and girls captured on camera. CNN even went and tried to hide the Larry King Live clip from 1993 where Reade's mother called in to ask for advice about her situation. Not a word about any of this, because they've gotta protect the gropey senile old coot so he can beat Trump in November, because they have literally nobody else to run.

To bring this back towards Bob, remember that Bob doesn't give a shit about women either, which he proved by covering for Devin Faraci's own sex pervert behavior. I'd wager ol' Bobby's got some true incel rage boiling within the cauldron of hatred inside him, glimpses of which can be seen any time he derides a conservative woman's appearance with rather abhorrent language. No doubt in my mind what his true feelings on women are, and they're not pretty.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

I always assumed Forrest Gump was mainly meant for Gen X as a lesson in how much better their lives were compared to their parents.The movie came out in 1994 a few years after the end of the Cold War and when Gen X was starting to get noticed and compared to Boomers and their struggles.While boomers might have enjoyed the movie i always assumed it was meant for Gen X as a 'history lesson'.Historical movies are almost never meant for the generation that lived through those events but for the generation just growing up or entering adulthood when it comes out.This is also why the movie seems like a 'Greatest hits' version of everything that happened through the era.Spielberg did not make Saving private Ryan for the guys who were on Omaha beach or their kids he made it for the young millenials who only ever heard of the war but had no direct connection.

Obviously that played a part but all historical movies have a subtext of modern day relevance for whatever era they were made in.Why do you think during the Obama years there was a surge of movies dealing with historical black issues?The answer is obvious.Historical movies are never really about the past they're about the present in which they were made.Forrest Gump with its clear 90's sensibility was not about what Gump did during Vietnam it was always about social issues in the early 90's.

You anons have just given a deeper, more insightful review of Forrest Gump than Cinema Robert ever could. If that doesn't tell you how disposable (one might even say obsolete) his "working class job" is I don't know what will.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

I think the Christ metaphor is a relatively valid one. Let's not forget that Forrest Gump was often compared to Being There, and that's a movie that ends with a shot of the simpleton protagonist literally walking on water. It's a Jesus metaphor not for Forrest's own motivations or awareness, but for the hopes people project onto him (mostly during the "running across America" stuff) and for the incidental healing he brings along with him. Look, Jesus stuff shows up errverywhere in Western media because a) it's an almost universal touchstone and b) it's easy. It's not the be-all and end-all of Gump the way Bob seems to think, but it's there.

Where Bob's insufferable cuntery comes in is how he expresses this: implying he's got some special insight for perceiving incredibly obvious symbolism (don't you ghouls know about your fake-Savior and the fish? *sneer*), and in thinking all of this makes the movie shit. Just look at how condescending he's being about it (yes, condescending is Bob's mother tongue, but he's being especially bad here). It's very, very obvious he loathes this movie, partly because he hates any Christological imagery that's meant unironically, but mostly because it's a movie about a well meaning, very simple man from the South succeeding beyond your wildest dreams precisely because he is simple and well meaning. Just imagine how Bob must recoil from such a message, when he thinks success must be predicated on being an obnoxious, snide, Ivory Tower, coastal elite asshole.

Christ Metaphors are good when you take a second and think "huh, he does have some traits like Jesus Christ" and are crocks of shit when they punch you in the nose with it (Zack Snyder Man of Steel anyone?)

Of course this isn't going into how accurate of why Bobert hates the movie, everything he hates being shown in a positive light? Well he may as well burn down the theater if he wasn't so fucking lazy.

My problem with Christ metaphors is how watered down does it have to be before it's not a Christ metaphor and is just a cool dude who helps people? Is every protagonist who's really good and nice and people appreciate it a Christ metaphor?

Gump never really sacrifices himself for his friends, which I would consider pretty central to any proper Christ metaphor. Yeah, he risks himself for his war buddies a few times, but he always comes out fine. Better than them, in fact. The only times we really see him suffer are when people he's close to die and he couldn't actually do anything for them, which is sort of the opposite of a Christ metaphor. The "reborn" thing Bob is talking about is also a hell of a reach. Is getting "reborn" just any time a character goes through a major change? Does Steve Carell getting laid in The 40 Year Old Virgin make him a Christ metaphor?

I just think the Christ metaphor bar has been set so low that it can apply to almost anything, which is why hacks use it as "smart" analysis all the damn time. It's too easy to find something that links really loosely up to the story of Jesus and call it a Christ metaphor.

 

[Positron]

Gump never really sacrifices himself for his friends, which I would consider pretty central to any proper Christ metaphor.

Even more integral to any Christ metaphor is that the character must be metaphorically crucified, by people he endeavors to help or enlighten. I can't think of anything remotely like this in Forrest Gump.

You might say Vincent in the Don McLean song is a closer model of Christ.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

I always assumed Forrest Gump was mainly meant for Gen X as a lesson in how much better their lives were compared to their parents.

The boomers aren't generally Gen X's parents. That's like saying the zoomers were birthed by the millennials.

And your metaphor works better if you say SPR was to show boomers why their parents think they are faggots.

 

[Bolo]

My problem with Christ metaphors is how watered down does it have to be before it's not a Christ metaphor and is just a cool dude who helps people? Is every protagonist who's really good and nice and people appreciate it a Christ metaphor?

Gump never really sacrifices himself for his friends, which I would consider pretty central to any proper Christ metaphor. Yeah, he risks himself for his war buddies a few times, but he always comes out fine. Better than them, in fact. The only times we really see him suffer are when people he's close to die and he couldn't actually do anything for them, which is sort of the opposite of a Christ metaphor. The "reborn" thing Bob is talking about is also a hell of a reach. Is getting "reborn" just any time a character goes through a major change? Does Steve Carell getting laid in The 40 Year Old Virgin make him a Christ metaphor?

I just think the Christ metaphor bar has been set so low that it can apply to almost anything, which is why hacks use it as "smart" analysis all the damn time. It's too easy to find something that links really loosely up to the story of Jesus and call it a Christ metaphor.

Even fucking Robocop is now taken seriously as a Christ analogue, so now every pop media philosopher wants get into this hot take interpretation game, that serves the stories nothing other then a boost to their own ego.

I know Verhoeven said Robocop to be a Christ figure, but that was over 20 years after the movie and I call bullshit, when he was shooting the movie, he was just shooting a guy in a costumes walking over a puddle of water. And why being "brought back to life" is just taken as Christ? Tons of other mythologies have people being ressurected too you know? So aside being brought back to life and walking over a puddle of water, what else can be clearly be grasped into Robocop being a Christ image?

I really dislike the whole "Death of the author" way of thinking, and I like when a writter play it straight. Like the Watership Down writter, who flat out said "this is a story about rabbits fucking up other rabbits, nothing more", maybe not those exact words, but at least we get fewer people saying that Hazel is the son of god....

 

[Mola Ram]

Even fucking Robocop is now taken seriously as a Christ analogue, so now every pop media philosopher wants get into this hot take interpretation game, that serves the stories nothing other then a boost to their own ego.

I know Verhoeven said Robocop to be a Christ figure, but that was over 20 years after the movie and I call bullshit, when he was shooting the movie, he was just shooting a guy in a costumes walking over a puddle of water. And why being "brought back to life" is just taken as Christ? Tons of other mythologies have people being ressurected too you know? So aside being brought back to life and walking over a puddle of water, what else can be clearly be grasped into Robocop being a Christ image?

I really dislike the whole "Death of the author" way of thinking, and I like when a writter play it straight. Like the Watership Down writter, who flat out said "this is a story about rabbits fucking up other rabbits, nothing more", maybe not those exact words, but at least we get fewer people saying that Hazel is the son of god....

Sure, I get this. And it's why I said that Christ metaphors are easy. There's so much to glom on to, you can see it in nearly any put-upon figure who heals, leads, or sacrifices. You have to account for the shallowness of the critic's (or the author's!) grasp of Christian doctrine / myth -- Forrest Gump heals and inspires, but doesn't really sacrifice unless you count the years of running or the people he loses along the way. Robocop has a bit more Christ symbolism than you give credit for -- the shotgun blast to Murphy's hand can be seen as a grotesque exaggeration of the nail through the palm; the fact that he's almost killed a second time by his fellow cops can be read as a betrayal -- but it's still a very shallow analogy, maybe because Verhoeven is exactly the kind of guy and was making exactly the kind of satire where the American Christ would be an ultraviolent, corporate-built, abomination of flesh and robotics.

Some of it's a sort of theological pareidolia -- seeing this sort of stuff when it isn't there because one wants to see it. And, of course, some of it is just people who think they're a whole lot smarter than they are making really basic analyses and thinking they're clever ... which, hooray, brings us back on topic, because that's Bob all over.

 

[Neko GF]

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"turned out to be played on all these people to take all of their money". Isn't that basically what Bernie, one of his preferred presidential candidates did? Also, Robert thinks the idea of people he doesn't like drinking bleach and poisoning themselves is funny. *Shocking*

 

[MeltyTW]

Even fucking Robocop is now taken seriously as a Christ analogue, so now every pop media philosopher wants get into this hot take interpretation game, that serves the stories nothing other then a boost to their own ego.

I know Verhoeven said Robocop to be a Christ figure, but that was over 20 years after the movie and I call bullshit, when he was shooting the movie, he was just shooting a guy in a costumes walking over a puddle of water. And why being "brought back to life" is just taken as Christ? Tons of other mythologies have people being ressurected too you know? So aside being brought back to life and walking over a puddle of water, what else can be clearly be grasped into Robocop being a Christ image?

I really dislike the whole "Death of the author" way of thinking, and I like when a writter play it straight. Like the Watership Down writter, who flat out said "this is a story about rabbits fucking up other rabbits, nothing more", maybe not those exact words, but at least we get fewer people saying that Hazel is the son of god....

Alot of that boils down to college educated westerners doing what they do best, appropriating or mishandling cultures and ideas they don't understand and are not a part of and not grasping what actually makes an idea significant for those people. Christ isn't a beloved figure for doing cool things with wine and water or coming back to life, his story is one of an innocent being sacrificing himself for a flawed race that rejects his teaching, its one of a divine being showing humanity a truth that ran contrary to base desires of vengeance and concern for the material. Forest Gump doesn't do that Robocop doesn't do that and most of the other characters brought up dont do that. It's as cringy and half hearted as name dropping the Buddha or karma or yoga without anything beyond a Simpsons episode.

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"turned out to be played on all these people to take all of their money". Isn't that basically what Bernie, one of his preferred presidential candidates did? Also, Robert thinks the idea of people he doesn't like drinking bleach and poisoning themselves is funny. *Shocking*

Wasn't there a big bruhahaha over shaming Warren for a dance? Also Trump never ordered or condoned the Ymca thing. That whole exchange is basically wishful thinking the post "What if Trump never won and all his FUCKIGN MORONS WERE SCAMMED AND NOT US BERNERS." "what if Trump were considered the old cringe candidate instead of Warren, surely now the neutrals will join us and the MAgats will weep and/or see the light of how idiotic he is right?"

 

[Smithfield Ham]

I'm getting a little burnt out on the Bob formula at this point. He says something extremely ignorant and cuntish on Twitter, simps defend him and normal people insult him, he either clams up or makes a single snarky to some rando and slithers away. It used to be funny and enjoyable as much as it was frustrating and obnoxious, but for me the "funny and enjoyable" part is slipping away.

I'd like to see the monotony broken up by, say, one of his beloved "coastal elite" neoliberals/democrats telling him off and him sulking in self-pity, or showing off a new disgusting dinner or depressing merch haul and people mocking him.

 

[Quixotic Man]

Forest Gump was really Jesus
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Can we just go over how ridiculous the idea that Mauler is clout chasing Bob of all people?

EFAP, a meandering mostly pointless podcast that usually lasts for several hours and often hits north of 100k views on their main episodes.
Meanwhile Bob' most popular video from within the past year is a low effort Live Action Smash Bros trailer with 150k views.
His highest within the past year of actual movie commentary is his Original Star Wars review with 110k

But lets compare Apples to Apples: Rise of Skywalker reviews.
Bob on the Escapist: 104K
EFAP: 425K
Mauler main channel: 2.9 Million

In conclusion: Bob is a has-been who is full of himself. Shocking, I know. People go after him because he has bad under formed opinions and a bat-shit outlook on life, thus making for good commentary, not because people want to ride his coattails.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

I'm getting a little burnt out on the Bob formula at this point. He says something extremely ignorant and cuntish on Twitter, simps defend him and normal people insult him, he either clams up or makes a single snarky to some rando and slithers away. It used to be funny and enjoyable as much as it was frustrating and obnoxious, but for me the "funny and enjoyable" part is slipping away.

I'd like to see the monotony broken up by, say, one of his beloved "coastal elite" neoliberals/democrats telling him off and him sulking in self-pity, or showing off a new disgusting dinner or depressing merch haul and people mocking him.

Like I said, Bob is like McDonald’s. The recipe is already disgusting but it’s attracting people in a masochistic way and people can’t seem to get enough of it even if they want to.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

He's spoken on the subject. His answer to the assault question is well maybe something happened but just vote him in then have an official investigation while he's president and if he's found to be "guilty" then we can replace him. Trump is too big of a threat to the superior future to little thing like "believe all women" to get in the way.

He said something pretty close to this like a month or two ago but I can't find it right now.

I finally got around to looking for it and I was wrong. His reasoning is far more Bob than I thought. He wants an investigation to happen now rather than during the election. He holds onto "believe all women" but, Bob being Bob, is more concerned with replacing Biden, most likely Fauxcahauntus herself, than he does about any sort of justice for an assault victim. It's a bit of a rabbit trail but I'll do my best to put it in order in the spoiler.

Spoiler: yarr! Here there be exceptionalism!

🎃 Agent Cooper, Live From Quarentine 👻 on Twitter

“@MatthewSenn1 @MelloPantherP @the_moviebob Bob said he's doing nothing. He's wrong, his fundraising & efforts with bills surrounding COVID19 prove that”

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Manufacturing Dissent on Twitter

“@the_moviebob You said he had a twitch stream. You were inferring he was doing nothing of value and that Elizabeth Warren was doing the real important work which is horseshit from top to bottom.”

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Manufacturing Dissent on Twitter

“@the_moviebob You can pretend like you weren’t being dismissive of his efforts if you want but it’s obvious that was the point of the post.”

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And here I believe is the crux of the issue.

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And here come the hot takes that have nothing to do with turning mommy senator into mommy presdient

MovieBob Productions on Twitter

“@Sticky_Llama @Herostratus356 On this we agree. This requires serious investigation and consideration, period.”

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MovieBob Productions on Twitter

“@cantfakethefunk @BAITzaDUST I'm not going to play that game, guys. Especially since an investigation would bear that out if it was the case.”

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MovieBob Productions on Twitter

“@NlNOCHKA If she's telling the truth, it needs to be investigated. If she's not, an investigation will uncover it. Better now than during the election - time enough to get another candidate.”

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MovieBob Productions on Twitter

“@TimmNeeley The bottom line is that the charges demand investigation - if they are true, it needs to be known and justice has to be done. If not true, the lack of an investigation would cause the question to hang unnecessarily over the campaign.”

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Bob feels the Bern!

BLOOM*IZ the Tree of Language on Twitter

“@Silverspetz @the_moviebob How is saying that a vote for any Democrat is progress, in response to someone saying Biden would not be progress, not defending Biden? I honestly cannot understand the mental gymnastics here. Anyway I'm British so good luck with your choice between two rapists 👋”

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There's a whole bunch of irrelevant text connecting the above with the below so I left it out for ease of reading.

MovieBob Productions on Twitter

“@Altaria87 My position on Biden's accuser is that it requires investigation, as all such things do, and if found to be legitimate (or even if not a serious impediment to campaign success) he should stand aside and The DNC should follow established policy regard his delegates.”

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[iafiv]

The Christ metaphor does exist in movies its not a completely made up idea.Like how in the Matrix at one point a character calls Neo 'his own personal Jesus Christ' not exactly subtle or how in Man of steel you have Superman in a church with a frame of Jesus in the background.Most directors though are a bit more subtle with their 'Jesus' which leads to endless discussions about the meaning of it all.

 

[A Big Bumbling Black Man]

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[Bolo]

The Christ metaphor does exist in movies its not a completely made up idea.Like how in the Matrix at one point a character calls Neo 'his own personal Jesus Christ' not exactly subtle or how in Man of steel you have Superman in a church with a frame of Jesus in the background.Most directors though are a bit more subtle with their 'Jesus' which leads to endless discussions about the meaning of it all.

It's obvious that Jesus analogues exist in works of fiction, and like you said, the Matrix and Snyder's Superman were pretty on the nose about that.

The argument was that dumbasses like Robert here, trying to cram in their big brain interpretations like Forrest Gump being Christ over some filmy takes. This sort of over reaching reading doesn't serve any purpose in enjoying the movie other than making the people having such assumptions or readings about it, feel smart overt it, even when it is very clear that the people telling such stories never intended for such conclusions.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

MovieBob always says when other content creators mock him that he's not going to "stoop to their level" because it would "hurt his reputation." But apparently never respects his reputation enough to keep from taking lame, petty, childish snipes at them.

It seems more like he's a coward that can't handle direct confrontation.

 

[Flexo]

I think the Christ metaphor is a relatively valid one. Let's not forget that Forrest Gump was often compared to Being There, and that's a movie that ends with a shot of the simpleton protagonist literally walking on water. It's a Jesus metaphor not for Forrest's own motivations or awareness, but for the hopes people project onto him (mostly during the "running across America" stuff) and for the incidental healing he brings along with him. Look, Jesus stuff shows up errverywhere in Western media because a) it's an almost universal touchstone and b) it's easy. It's not the be-all and end-all of Gump the way Bob seems to think, but it's there.

Hmm... now that's interesting. I agree but disagree with you. Per your mention, I think Gump could be an agnostic/atheist metaphor for Jesus. Like, conceptually Robocop would be the metaphor for Christ from an inside view, Gump would be the metaphor for Christ from an outside view. That's an interpretation I could see running with a bit further. (Though give me a few minutes and I can probably find someone expressing how Forest & Jenny's relationship is a metaphor for Christ & humanity... especially if you're familiar with some OT books.)

Though in all honesty I think sometimes it's finding shapes in clouds kind of thing.

Where Bob's insufferable cuntery comes in is how he expresses this: implying he's got some special insight for perceiving incredibly obvious symbolism (don't you ghouls know about your fake-Savior and the fish? *sneer*), and in thinking all of this makes the movie shit. Just look at how condescending he's being about it (yes, condescending is Bob's mother tongue, but he's being especially bad here). It's very, very obvious he loathes this movie, partly because he hates any Christological imagery that's meant unironically, but mostly because it's a movie about a well meaning, very simple man from the South succeeding beyond your wildest dreams precisely because he is simple and well meaning. Just imagine how Bob must recoil from such a message, when he thinks success must be predicated on being an obnoxious, snide, Ivory Tower, coastal elite asshole.

In addition, keeping in mind that Bob sees the world through movies. And what's one of Bob's mantras? "Evil is ignorance." Yet here is a movie - in the language he speaks - explaining in a very simple fable how an ignorant man (Forest outright states "I know I'm not a smart man.") turns out to be the best human being in the entire film.

It shows how much one of his ethos is a complete lie.

Makes me wonder if all these overtly feminist films are Hollywood's misguided attempt at sticking it to Trump.

Well you have to remember that it can take up to several years to make a movie. (which is what a lot of people fail to account for when they try and show these release patterns in movies) I have very little doubt that many of these feminist films were started and planned initially in the belief that Hilary would be the one elected and they would all be a celebration of her.