Video Rob's Intervention

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FlyAwayNow said:
What the fuck is he talking about monetization?

It's too late for him now, hell, if I did something I probably couldn't monetize it because of my interactions with him.

"If he puts in effort he might-"

Nah, not happening. Because of what he's done, because of what we've done and recorded here, and because of every one of those 'weens', this ain't happening. Don't rationalize it, don't lie to yourselves like he does.
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Even if it's a pipe dream, it still gives him a goal. He's more interesting when he's working towards something rather than being mopey and depressive.
 
FlyAwayNow said:
What the fuck is he talking about monetization?

It's too late for him now, hell, if I did something I probably couldn't monetize it because of my interactions with him.

"If he puts in effort he might-"

Nah, not happening. Because of what he's done, because of what we've done and recorded here, and because of every one of those 'weens', this ain't happening. Don't rationalize it, don't lie to yourselves like he does.
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Youtube monetizing doesn't seem to be hard. All it requires is an audience which he has.

Other than ween DMCA's and reporting what would stop him from doing short call in FactZones that he uploads as vids with opening ads? He could make $400 or $500 on them. I company I did work with put up low budget trailers for their films and each one would bring in close to a grand a month for about a year before the views dipped, and these aren't movies you'd recognize. Just three minutes of footage.

So what's standing in the way other than Jace himself?
 
ParkourKitten91 said:
Youtube monetizing doesn't seem to be hard. All it requires is an audience which he has.

Other than ween DMCA's and reporting what would stop him from doing short call in FactZones that he uploads as vids with opening ads? He could make $400 or $500 on them. I company I did work with put up low budget trailers for their films and each one would bring in close to a grand a month for about a year before the views dipped, and these aren't movies you'd recognize. Just three minutes of footage.

So what's standing in the way other than Jace himself?
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He's constantly banned for smoking weed on camera among other things.
 
ParkourKitten91 said:
Youtube monetizing doesn't seem to be hard. All it requires is an audience which he has.

Other than ween DMCA's and reporting what would stop him from doing short call in FactZones that he uploads as vids with opening ads? He could make $400 or $500 on them. I company I did work with put up low budget trailers for their films and each one would bring in close to a grand a month for about a year before the views dipped, and these aren't movies you'd recognize. Just three minutes of footage.

So what's standing in the way other than Jace himself?
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He has no audience. You know who's watching and for what reason: us, 4chan, facepunch, every group of friends who tunes in every Monday just to watch a fantasy fall apart. We're the ones being played if he makes money and that's inconceivable, idiotic, and just plain wrong.

Someone buying ad time from him? Fuck, I'd buy out his entire damned show for hours just to stop it. Don't tell me that joke.

This is Jace. Not an ad company who pushes videos out on YouTube for the explicit purpose of making money.

Don't make me laugh, don't make up excuses.

Of all the pipe dreams he has, I don't have to shoot them down, he already has enough 'going' for him.
 
FlyAwayNow said:
He has no audience. You know who's watching and for what reason: us, 4chan, facepunch, every group of friends who tunes in every Monday just to watch a fantasy fall apart. We're the ones being played if he makes money and that's inconceivable, idiotic, and just plain wrong.

Someone buying ad time from him? Fuck, I'd buy out his entire damned show for hours just to stop it. Don't tell me that joke.

This is Jace. Not an ad company who pushes videos out on YouTube for the explicit purpose of making money.

Don't make me laugh, don't make up excuses.

Of all the pipe dreams he has, I don't have to shoot them down, he already has enough 'going' for him.
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So this isn't how Youtube ads work. They're more like google key word ads, in fact it is a part of AdSense.

Unlike the traditional idea of advertising, which it seems like what you're claiming would be occurring, a company doesn't buy time on one person's channel. They buy from youtube that links it with the viewing habits of people watching. 4chan, facepunch, us, the people tuning in to watch him collapse, that is an audience. You don't need a shit ton of viewers to turn it into something that makes a few bucks.

No one would be buying from him, they'd buy blocks from youtube, youtube places ads at the start of videos. That's it. It isn't insanely complicated and only takes a few clicks inside your account.

Just doing bullshit calculations, his review of your review got 800 some views. On the high end with youtube ads, that's 8 bucks. Pretty shitty but still something.

Day 13 video is around 27,000 views, that's 27 bucks.

That's the level we're talking about but if he can keep a core audience of say 10,000 people or at least 10,000 unique views he's be able to make ten bucks a video. Five videos a week, fifty bucks. He might be able to afford a new game every week.

Not excuses, not bullshit, not much money. Just what the views to general ad revenue is.

EDIT: It gets a little more complicated than that, as some types of advertising require click through, some don't. I think most film trailers don't care if there's a click through, but something like Asshole Jack's Shitty Beer wants a click through. And I don't think, but I'm not sure, that you get to choose if you want a clickthrough ad or not. Youtube doesn't really ask the partners what they want as I recall.
 
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Jace, whilst passionate about the things he loves (like wolves, amirite?), doesn't have the work ethic required to produce videos with enough regularity to monetize them effectively. He'd focus on it for a little while, then become bored, and stop making videos.

I applaud Robert for trying to have a man-to-manchild talk, but for all his bitching about his situation, Jace doesn't have the incentive to try to better himself. He has enough monthly income to buy the weed and games he wants, and he lives with his mom on her dime. He's got a sweet situation and no real reason to change it, in his view. Self-improvement isn't his thing.
 
I always got the feeling Rob was the rational one, I guess I was wrong. How can he watch any of Jace's livestreams and still encourage him to do them? I just can't understand how he thinks that's a good idea. If it wasn't his brother I would think that advice had come from a troll. The fact he thinks Jace could actually make a living doing it shows just how out of touch he must be. Like FlyAwayNow said, no one watches Jace's videos for the gaming, they watch them to see a deluded, narcissistic manchild make a fool of himself. I can see why he'd want to give him some direction in life and a creative outlet, but Jace is just so far gone at this point I don't know what he can do. It seems pretty obvious to me that his internet presence and livestreams aren't healthy. Look at how all of them have ended, crying, vomiting, covered in tinfoil and getting his door kicked open after he pissed in a bag. How can he possibly think this is something worth continuing?

OfflineCyberBully said:
Jace, whilst passionate about the things he loves (like wolves, amirite?), doesn't have the work ethic required to produce videos with enough regularity to monetize them effectively. He'd focus on it for a little while, then become bored, and stop making videos.
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Exactly, in the Kyle vlogs you could see Jace was already burning out from doing the livestreams. Lately he actually has been quiet productive, with all the Tiberius Rising chapters and livestreams, but I can't see that lasting. If I had to guess I'd say Jace will continue to livestream/vlog, burn himself out, come back, do something crazy and get kicked out, over and over, history repeats itself just like that song in the Karate Kid says. Also, let's face it, one of the big reasons Jace streams at all is out of ego, he loves people complimenting him.

But honestly, I'd LOVE to be wrong on this. It would be the funniest shit ever if Jace actually made it into the big leagues of Youtube gaming channels, he's definitely funnier than any of those fuckheads.
 
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I don't think we need to really have this discussion in the first place because in the video Jace seemed very adamant about the fact that he didn't want to monetize his videos.

Also, to copypaste something I wrote a while ago discussing this topic, this will literally never be feasible:
  • Simple math: YouTube partners make about $1 for every 1,000 views. As of the time of writing, Parkourdude91 has 98,486 channel views, and Deagle Nation has 13,849 channel views, so Jace's two channels combined would have made him about $111 if he had been monetizing it from the start (which would have been impossible, obviously, since you have to reach a certain threshold before they even enable it) So ideal situation, everything else perfect, over his year-and-a-half long YouTube career and all the pain it's caused him, he would have made enough to buy an airsoft gun or a few shitty games from a Steam sale. Additionally, payments begin only after you pass the $100 mark, so he would just be receiving the money now.
  • Advertising: YouTube's ToS says that any monetized channel must be "advertiser friendly"; I.E. companies are going to review the video content and decide whether or not they want to take the risk in being associated with this person for a few thousand clicks. Plainly speaking: Jace is not advertiser friendly.
  • Copyright: YouTube partners can't use copyrighted music, games, or basically anything at all in their videos, and they have to provide documentation. Most of Jace's longer videos are just him playing dumb video games and listening to Nickelback or John Cena's theme music, which (while it can be a gray area) will probably cause him some problems.
  • Marketing: Jace's videos appeal to a niche market. Even Chris-Chan, even at the height of his fame, didn't come remotely close to the top 100 YouTube stars, people who actually make a living off it. There's a ceiling on how many people enjoy this kind of content. As eye-gougingly painful as TheAnnoyingOrange and PewDiePie are, they are successful because (and probably only because) they appeal to a very, very wide audience. Jace does not, ergo he is never going to make any remotely substantial amount of money.
  • Effort: Due to the math I detailed above, the YouTube "industry" is incredibly competitive. To have a shot at making any amount of money, you have to be putting out top-notch videos every day. You have to be competent in social media and web optimization, you have to understand how to get new fans, branch out, and expand your brand. You have to have a lot of skills, patience, and perseverance that Jace does not possess. Jace's popularity is literally an unfortunate accident. Of course, he thinks the reason he's been so popular is because he's a great vlogger and he's mastered the YouTube game with fans all around the world, but we all know it's because he's a bumbling retard and he has no clue what he's doing.
 
You would think we wouldn't need to go on a debate about this. It should be common sense that Jace cannot provide for himself.
 
Some of that applies, some of it doesn't. There's a ton of different figures out there on what youtube pays per view. And yes this is a niche and it would make less than the top stars make. But lower videos still make some money-- and current amounts coming from people seem to be quite a bit more than 1:1000 for even the lowest partners. David After Dentist is from well before the current adscheme was in place. I'll see if I can find a better supporting article, though youtube holds those numbers close to it's balls for some reason.

Advertising Friendly is a whishey washy term even by youtube's standards. They're more than happy to place ads wherever until they get complaints. And then it's usually from the advertisers. This I have some first hand knowledge in, a trailer house I did work with put a up horror movie, and it wasn't until six or seven months later that an advertiser, Tide I think, got pissy. Even then all youtube did is block Tide from the ads.

Niche Market: Sure his audience would be tiny as hell compared to the youtube millionaires but it still exists.

Effort: Yep. It isn't gonna happen. My only argument here is that it could happen, if it wasn't Jace. It isn't as whackadoo out there as a lot of posts seem to think.


EDIT: So this seems like the most useful article on the advertiser program.

http://www.reelseo.com/youtube-partner-earnings/#adearnings

It lists low end users at .30:1000 and high end at 2.50:1000. I'm inclined to admit that my numbers were coming from a mid level partner so yeah, Jace would be getting diddly fuck at 1:1000 or less.

KingofManga420 said:
You would think we wouldn't need to go on a debate about this. It should be common sense that Jace cannot provide for himself.
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I like hypotheticals. Double your fun with alternate universe Jace.
 
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Honestly, I think moving towards pre-recorded content would be very good for Jace, or at least making the best of a bad situation.

For one, I think you have to accept you're never going to get Jace off the internet. Gail doesn't have the willpower to force Jace to go cold turkey, and the only one who seems to have any sense in the family, Rob, has his own life to live, and can't babysit his brother for a few weeks. So, Rob and Jace have to find a solution which involves Jace having some form of internet presence.

People keep making comparisons between live streaming and pre-recorded content. However, I think they're completely different. The reason live streaming is such a bad influence on Jace is primarily because it is live. It allows a greater level of harmful viewer interaction (Dick Zone, online game trolling, wolf cum, ect.), which leads to chimp-outs and Jace embarrassing himself, and doesn't allow Jace to edit the footage, which means we can watch him having a chimp-out over his lazy eye, or cry about his childhood in the Sims 3, or vomit all over himself. If Jace moved towards doing pre-recorded content, he would embarrass himself less.

I guess the only risk is, as people have said, one of the only reason we watch Jace is for the chimp-outs and him making a fool of himself. If he stopped doing that, viewership might plummet, and he might find himself making a fool of himself again just so he can get internet respect.

And so what if monetizing it is unrealistic (and gay)? Jace doesn't make videos to make money, he makes them because his main form of socialisation is online. It might, to an extent, fuel his delusions, but his delusions run much deeper than his online presence, and I'm not sure banning him from the internet would solve them.
 
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Sammy said:
Robert wants Jace to have some sort of purpose in life. Right now he has no goals, so he gets faded, acts like a clown for cyberbullies, then gets himself into real trouble. If Jace had a goal to work towards, he might actually have a shot at a decent life. Rob isn't deluding himself though - he's not talking about Jace going out and getting a 9 to 5 job; Can anybody honestly see Jace surviving in the job market? Neither does Rob, so he needs something else to do.

What does Jace do that isn't self destructive?

He knows how to work Youtube and is pretty aware of what content is allowed and what isn't (he's always concerned about playing musical themes and other content that might get him flagged for copyright issues). He attempts to hide his bad behaviors such as smoking "tobacco", aware that drug use on his channels will get him banned (he just fails at it when he's off his meds and gets stressed out and needs a toke, being psychologically addicted to using weed as a means to combat the stresses in his life).

He made allies of people who can make decent video graphics for intros and effects. He attempts to use graphical effects to enhance the visuals of his show (E.g. he tries to use a green screen, and his American flag to set stages.)

He's enterprising enough to try new things. See all the various zones he makes when he thinks doing the exact same thing over and over is going to be boring to an audience, so he tries to mix it up with Fact Zone, Indie Zone, Review Zone, T-Zone, the hilarious Wolf Zone, (the painful and forgettable Meme Zone...)

He's fairly knowledgeable about video games, which is a subject that's popular enough for people to explore in internet media for profit (since Game Grumps, DSP, Pewdiepie, various review channels, etc. all exist and earn some form of living). He's certainly more knowledgeable than the average individual about them. He may not be the best at playing them, but with practice he improves to be competent. The part he usually sucks at is learning a new game - he doesn't do his research before he presents himself playing it (he doesn't know the key layouts or what to do generally then). He plays games he likes fairly well, such as CS:GO. Also, watch some of his earlier plays of Space Station 13 and Postal 2 versus his later plays - he's much more in control and generally starts working towards a goal after some time put into a game (such as being a barman in SS13, or destroying the secret Muslim base and rescuing Tupac in Postal 2).

He can draw a crowd - currently, he's drawing an audience for the wrong reasons. I assume this is what Rob wants to try and correct.

Lastly and most importantly, he has passion. He wants to be a famous vlogger and streamer, and puts effort into this, even if its only half-assed effort. Look at Christopher Weston Chandler's attempts to be a famous comic book artist - as time went on, he simply got lazier and lazier, until the point he wouldn't draw unless forced to by some outside entity - and even then, his later artwork started skimping on backgrounds and coloring and such. Jace, on the other hand, keeps trying to add more zone segments and backgrounds and video graphics and content.

So rather than push Jace into a situation where he'd be a stocking monkey at Costco or whatever, then get depressed, then fall into the same self destructive habits he's already exhibiting, Rob encourages him to follow his dreams, which Jace is already pursuing - Only problem is, Jace half-asses his attempts at his dreams due to drug abuse and delusions of grandeur. Jace lets his bad habits and problems get in the way of putting in the actual hard work it would take for him to be genuinely successful, and Rob wants to help with this.

That's my two cents anyways.
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I think you're right on some things. I think Rob has given up on Jace becoming somewhat normal. If Rob follows Jace's streams then he'd know Fact Zone is when Jace tends to meltdown or say some insane shit. I think Rob is basically trying to limit Jace without him knowing by suggesting he JUST stick to game stuff. This seems like an attempt at protecting Jace from himself. I imagine Rob is aware that Jace will never find success in streaming but it would keep Jace busy and gaming is something that would keep him more distracted and doesn't require as much audience input as Fact Zone.

The problem is I don't know if Rob understands how tightly connected streaming is to Jace's ego. Jace streams for praise, he streams to feel smart, he streams to make himself feel superior to his audience. Jace can't do that if he's just streaming video games. He wants admiration, not money. That's what selling pot is for yo. Which is why I imagine Rob brought up that Jace could make money for it. He knows Jace is dealing pot. He's willing to tell Jace he COULD make money (But not really) if he worked at it just to keep him from dealing outside of McDonald's where he could get arrested. It's all about keeping Jace distracted to protect him from himself.
 
You know who Jace reminds me of:
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There's an episode where they hire Dale as a soldier of fortune in order to make him feel special and keep him busy. He manages to fuck that up to by stealing the wrong briefcase.

But if Rob is trying to give him busy work to keep him from screwing things up too badly, sending him off on stupid missions might be an option.

A lot of Dale reminds me of Jace.
 
He is so fucking full of himself. It just blows my mind how awesome he thinks he is.
 
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