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So Intel has been struggling for years now to move on from Skylake. They've been stuck on 14nm for years now, allowing AMD to recover enough to launch Zen and eventually surpass intel in IPC for the first time since 2005.

Rocketlake is Intel's latest attempt to stem the bleeding. It's a backported form of Tiger lake, their 10nm architecture. This new architecture is supposed to bring with it IPC improvements to make it competitive with Zen's improvements. For highly technical reasons Intel's new core design has been tied to 10nm for years now. After comet lake showed there was no room to continue expanding their core count, Intel made the tough decision to backport their ice cove arch to 14nm and launch it as rocket lake, a band aid solution to tide them over until alder lake's "supposed" launch at the end of 2021.

Intel decided that the NDA on their chips would be lifted on the 30th of march, but chips could apparently go on sale on the 15th. Anandtech got their hands on a 11700k and reviewed it. Safe to say, it didnt go well.


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Catastrophic power consumption. Even normally it is pulling 80W more power then AMD's 8 core, while often being slower in benchmarks. The only time rocketlake has any performance advantage is in AVX-512 workloads, where, as you can see, an 8 core is pushing nearly 300 watts. And when you dare to use that AVX 512:
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Oh dear. 100C plus within 2 SECONDS of starting the workload. And this is on a cooler that has previously been able to handle 18 core HDET chips. This means that one of the 2 selling points of rocketlake is effectively worthless.

The reason behind this hot, heavy mess performing so terribly, often at times SLOWER then its predecessor comet lake? Well there are some theories, such as the L2 cache having to be halved to fit on the 14nm node, but the biggest chunk of evidence would be these latency graphs here:
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As you can see, the intel 11700k has far higher latencies when jumping from one core to another. Now, Intel uses a Ringbus style core interconnect for communication, and last year we saw the 10900k's latencies becoming somewhat worrying, but there is no explanation for why an 8 core rocketlake is so abysmal. It's believed that the root cause is 14nm's wire length being too LONG for the ice cove CPU design, resulting in disastrous latencies wiping out whatever improvements Intel may have made IPC wise.

So what do you think of Intel's latest hot turd?
 
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So Intel has been struggling for years now to move on from Skylake. They've been stuck on 14nm for years now, allowing AMD to recover enough to launch Zen and eventually surpass intel in IPC for the first time since 2005.

Rocketlake is Intel's latest attempt to stem the bleeding. It's a backported form of Tiger lake, their 10nm architecture. This new architecture is supposed to bring with it IPC improvements to make it competitive with Zen's improvements. For highly technical reasons Intel's new core design has been tied to 10nm for years now. After comet lake showed there was no room to continue expanding their core count, Intel made the tough decision to backport their ice cove arch to 14nm and launch it as rocket lake, a band aid solution to tide them over until alder lake's "supposed" launch at the end of 2021.

Intel decided that the NDA on their chips would be lifted on the 30th of march, but chips could apparently go on sale on the 15th. Anandtech got their hands on a 11700k and reviewed it. Safe to say, it didnt go well.


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Catastrophic power consumption. Even normally it is pulling 80W more power then AMD's 8 core, while often being slower in benchmarks. The only time rocketlake has any performance advantage is in AVX-512 workloads, where, as you can see, an 8 core is pushing nearly 300 watts. And when you dare to use that AVX 512:
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Oh dear. 100C plus within 2 SECONDS of starting the workload. And this is on a cooler that has previously been able to handle 18 core HDET chips. This means that one of the 2 selling points of rocketlake is effectively worthless.

So what do you think of Intel's latest hot turd?

And I thought Intel shaving nanometers off the heatsink to improve performance was their lowest point.
 
At this point, you've got to have a pretty damn specific reason to go Intel; it's getting kinda embarrassing watching them constantly shit themselves publicly.
With AMD taking the gaming crown, the only thing intel has right now is price and availability. If AMD could get their stock issues sorted even that wouldnt help them.

It's pentium IV all over again. 14nm is intel's new netburst.
 
The only reason I stuck with intel this last gen is because AMD's IPC wasn't quite there yet and single core wasn't quite up to snuff because of it. Looks like that's fixed now, so yeah... I don't really have a reason to go Intel anymore.
 
2022 - AMD launches a chip based on a 5nm process, after hiring up-and-coming chip engineers who dual majored in computer engineering and physics. Intel remains stuck at 10nm; in response, they spend millions of dollars on additional diversity hires and diversity training, which will clearly help them engineer world-beating chips to take down their competitors.

2024 - An accident with a new Intel chip nearly burns down the Las Vegas Convention Center during CES. The fire chief is quoted as saying “God almighty, I’ve never seen anything like it. It went up like a magnesium fire!”

2025 - AMD launches a 3nm chip. Intel is still stuck at 10nm, their chips running blazing hot. The gubmint accuses Intel for their servers being the #1 reason why we won’t meet the Paris Climate Agreement’s targets. Intel CEO Patrick Gelsinger is surreptitiously recorded screaming “I don’t understand! What do you mean it’s impossible to have a transistor gate size that small? We hired more than enough magical negroes, didn’t we?!“ He is fired shortly thereafter for being white and saying something about race. On his way out, he is forced to run a gauntlet of danger hairs and pajeets holding out tarred brushes and handfuls of feathers to de-problematize him of his extremely problematic whiteness.

2026 - After reading engineering reports, Intel’s latest CEO, Pranesh Pranpranaynanynanyan, commits .357 magnum seppuku like Bud Dwyer, splattering his office with brains and the smell of curry.

2030 - AMD, with a market cap in the trillions of USD and total dominance of the server market, buys the entire island of Vanuatu and renames it Microdevicia, establishing a chip fab there. They begin marketing their newest chips as being made from “artisanal beach sand”.

2040 - AMD buys the failing US government. We all live in Microdevicia now.

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Why is Intel even still using the -Lake namesake? How has it made any sense since Coffeelake? How does the word lake even have anything to do with processors to begin with?
You’ve seen Kaby Lake. Now, bear witness to the awesome power of Baby Lake, made with real aborted fetus cells and necromantic magic. We’re not sure what it does, exactly, but it works great as a space heater. Sometimes, if you coo at it softly and recite the correct incantations, it will let out a soft, trilling cry in response. That’s when you know it’s safe to run Cinebench without it sprouting its bloody tendrils outside your case and taking root in the drywall.
 
Why is Intel even still using the -Lake namesake? How has it made any sense since Coffeelake? How does the word lake even have anything to do with processors to begin with?
The "-Lake" names are arbitrary code names, so I'm not sure how one could make more "sense" than another. With that said, I thought Ice Lake (10th-gen mobile) was a cooler name than than Coffee Lake.

I think they're all supposed to be named after real, physical-water lakes, but some of them are so obscure they might as well be made-up because nobody's going to make that connection.
 
I think they're all supposed to be named after real, physical-water lakes, but some of them are so obscure they might as well be made-up because nobody's going to make that connection.
That's largely the point of the system they're using, it just supposed to be a place holder name for the project/architecture, Core i[x] is the actual name of the product. Larrabee is a good example, they didn't have to come up with a real product name and register it for something that would ultimately be cancelled.
 
Oh boy, the excuses I'm seeing. "It's actually quite good considering it's still 14nm"

No...that's not a positive. It reeks of desperation.

So many Intel fans were so hopeful over that single geekbench score... whoops.
Well to an extent, it is surprising what they can get out of 14nm (with 3x power draw). Don't get me wrong it's (hot) garbage and a bad choice, but 14nm+++++ does give me a little bit of hope that manufacturing can be refined, if ever there is an industry wide stagnation on a certain process like what Intel has suffered from.

Really though process size isn't the greatest indicator, and there are a few different things that go into it (density, fin size and a few others). There was a bit of talk a while ago that the industry was trying to move towards that, but it seems like it was just talk as I couldn't find anything regarding AMD's latest process.
 
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Why is Intel even still using the -Lake namesake? How has it made any sense since Coffeelake? How does the word lake even have anything to do with processors to begin with?
It's like Nvidia's habit of using names of scientists as codenames. Fermi, the space heater cards, was named after the father of the atomic bomb. Very fitting.

The Tegra codenames suck. They use comic book references for those. How do you go from cool stuff like naming a gaming space heater Fermi to naming a mobile chip after Superman?
 
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