UK Roma accuse government of hypocrisy over Jimmy Carr joke - Gypsies angry

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Members of the Gypsy, Roma and Traveller community have accused the government of hypocrisy after ministers condemned a Holocaust joke by Jimmy Carr while pushing through a raft of legislation hostile to their way of life.

The Traveller Movement, which represents the GRT community, said it had been “surprised” by the government’s promises to better protect the community against hate speech following the backlash to Carr’s joke, in which he said the genocide of Romani and Sinti gypsies in the Holocaust is ignored because people don’t want to “focus on the positives”.

Greg Sproston, policy and campaigns manager for the Traveller Movement, said the government was currently trying to pass three bills – on policing, nationality and borders and elections – all of which will “have disproportionately negative impacts” on the GRT community. He added that a national strategy to reduce inequality in the community announced over two years ago “still has not materialised”.

“If the government is serious about protecting and supporting these communities, they would scrap this discriminatory legislation and bring forward the strategy without delay,” he said.

The policing bill is especially controversial within the GRT community as it would give police powers to move travellers’ camps if anyone complained, regardless of whether a crime had been committed.

Billy Welch, the head gypsy and spokesman for the UK’s Roma population, said he is consulting lawyers to see if Carr could be prosecuted for inciting racial hatred.

He said the comedian’s joke was offensive in part because of the legacy of trauma after between 200,000 and 2 million Romani and Sinti gypsies were murdered in the Holocaust.

“There are many still living who witnessed the brutality of what happened, and many more who lost their families in barbarous and sadistic murders. Making a joke of it is too painful,” he said.

The Traveller Movement has called on Netflix, which aired the His Dark Material special containing the joke in December, to remove the gag and apologise. The group’s petition has gained thousands of signatories.

The charity has also offered to help the platform amend its editorial guidelines to prevent a repeat of the incident. “It’s hard to over-stress the hurt and distress this causes,” Sproston said.

Sproston said Carr’s joke demonstrated that the GRT community is consistently “seen as low-hanging fruit or a legitimate target”, and that many people do not understand that they are a defined ethnic minority whose rights are protected by law.

He said one young Irish traveller told him “no matter what he achieved or where he is in life, as soon as he hears a comment like that it diminishes his progress and he’s back to square one, because it reminds him of everything society thinks about him”.

A recent survey by University of Birmingham researchers found that 44% of people in the UK had negative attitudes towards GRT people, making them the “least liked group”, nearly double the level for Muslims, who were the second group to receive the most prejudice.

Research by the Traveller Movement in 2017 found that 91% of GRT people had experienced discrimination, which it described as “the last acceptable form of racism”. These attitudes have a profound impact on areas such as employment and education, where GRT people underperform, and the criminal justice system, where they are over-represented.

Carr has defended the joke as raising awareness of the genocide of an estimated 25-50% of Europe’s population of Roma and Sinti gypsies, and some commenters have suggested it may have been intended ironically to highlight prejudice against the GRT community.

However, Sproston said the audience’s laughter and some reactions on social media show that anti-GRT attitudes are so deeply entrenched that many took the joke at face value, which could further harm an already deeply disadvantaged community.

Rosa Cisneros, a member of the GRT community who researches Romani culture at Coventry University, said she was “sad but not surprised” by Carr’s joke.

“This situation has highlighted that anti-Gypsyism and Romaphobia still exists today. For me, it isn’t about censoring Jimmy Carr or being offended or me being part of the ‘woke’ brigade that I want to just cancel a show or infringe on someone’s freedom of speech and his rights. No, I am utterly horrified that we live in a space where such harmful and hateful speech is accepted and seen as a joke.”


 
Shouldn't the gyps be thanking Jimmy for raising awareness to millions of people who only knew about the 6 billion Jews before?

On the other hand with this show of lack of gratitude, perhaps Hitler's job wasn't thorough enough.
 
Jimmy Carr's whole shtick is segueing into an extremely offensive joke so subtly it makes you laugh before you realize how "horrible" it was. He's done it for decades.
 
The white-hot hatred of gypsies that Europeans of all stripes seem to share will never cease to amuse me. I find it so funny that many average euros will balk at even the lightest criticisms to blacks and Muslims but when it comes to a gyp they wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. They must really be something if they can elicit such a visceral response from two very chill European exchange students I drank with once.
 
The white-hot hatred of gypsies that Europeans of all stripes seem to share will never cease to amuse me. I find it so funny that many average euros will balk at even the lightest criticisms to blacks and Muslims but when it comes to a gyp they wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. They must really be something if they can elicit such a visceral response from two very chill European exchange students I drank with once.
Gyppos have 500 years of being dicks on Muzzies.

Plus at least the kebabs had some cool shit during their Golden Age.
 
Shouldn't the gyps be thanking Jimmy for raising awareness to millions of people who only knew about the 6 billion Jews before?

On the other hand with this show of lack of gratitude, perhaps Hitler's job wasn't thorough enough.
For real though. That’s always been my main gripe is that people like to pretend it was only ever Jews.
 
The white-hot hatred of gypsies that Europeans of all stripes seem to share will never cease to amuse me. I find it so funny that many average euros will balk at even the lightest criticisms to blacks and Muslims but when it comes to a gyp they wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. They must really be something if they can elicit such a visceral response from two very chill European exchange students I drank with once.

Gypsies are prevalent, and most eastern europeans see one nigger or kebab once a year and half the time its a tourist. They didn't have yet the chance to give the locals a taste of their monkey shines.

Gyppos have 500 years of being dicks on Muzzies.

Plus at least the kebabs had some cool shit during their Golden Age.

Gyppos are a well known ... well, lack of, quality.
 
For real though. That’s always been my main gripe is that people like to pretend it was only ever Jews.
Seriously, the Jews turned it into their grift even though the mentally disabled, commies, glasses wearers, gypsies, POWs and other political prisoners (you helped some Jews escape or hide or were a threat to Hitler politcally, into the camps you go!) were also thrown into concentration camps and I've heard the true number of people the Nazis killed was closer to 11-12 million. It's such bullshit, maybe we should start calling Jews out on this?
 
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Perhaps at that time they had a rivalry with Serbia or something.
Who didn't? I can't imagine the Croatians went so hardcore on Serbs that even the Nazis were appalled by the body count just because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning. Then again, it is the Balkans...
They have more claim to Roman descendancy than Macedonians have to Greek one.
I would have zero qualms to the current territorial owners of the geographical region known as Macedonia pulling their nonsense if they would just nut up and go conquer Greece already.
 
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The white-hot hatred of gypsies that Europeans of all stripes seem to share will never cease to amuse me. I find it so funny that many average euros will balk at even the lightest criticisms to blacks and Muslims but when it comes to a gyp they wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. They must really be something if they can elicit such a visceral response from two very chill European exchange students I drank with once.
Spoken like someone who has never been around gypsies. They send their hordes of child wives to mob you and steal everything they can get their dirty fingers on. If they had any value as humans there wouldn't be this reaction.
 
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