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When was the last time RvB was good?

  • Before RWBY

    Votes: 61 62.9%
  • Season 10

    Votes: 22 22.7%
  • Season 11

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Season 12

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Season 13

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • Season 14

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Before RvB Zero

    Votes: 1 1.0%

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When did RT decline really start? Monty's death, Burnie leaving and so on have been events that sunk the ship even lower, but what was the starting point?
Hard mode: no "the foundation of RT"
I'd argue that a lot of their unignorable flaws really started coming out during the Thicc Lasagna incident. They blatantly showed that they have no spine and will fire people via ghosting, and they will brag about it for easy asspats despite being hypocrites.
 
When did RT decline really start? Monty's death, Burnie leaving and so on have been events that sunk the ship even lower, but what was the starting point?
Hard mode: no "the foundation of RT"
I’d say the death of Monty Oum. Hard to run the flagship when the captain goes down. But even then, RT’s death has been very slow, even with things that could be seen to speed it up.
 
When did RT decline really start? Monty's death, Burnie leaving and so on have been events that sunk the ship even lower, but what was the starting point?
Hard mode: no "the foundation of RT"
Fullscreen acquisition started it, Ray leaving and Monty dying was the one-two punch that sealed their fate, Burnie quitting and Geoff disappearing from content is the actual death, and the Ryan situation was the pallbearers dropping the coffin during the funeral.
 
When did RT decline really start? Monty's death, Burnie leaving and so on have been events that sunk the ship even lower, but what was the starting point?
Hard mode: no "the foundation of RT"
Hiring Mica Burton.

It wasn't clear at the time but looking back it set the tone for everything to come after.
 
When did RT decline really start? Monty's death, Burnie leaving and so on have been events that sunk the ship even lower, but what was the starting point?
Hard mode: no "the foundation of RT"
The problems at RT are all problems small businesses have when expanding into medium sized businesses.

Getting plastered on the daily, having flexible schedules for everyone and every other non-standard business practice RT adopted only worked in a small business setting with minimal employees who are all friends.

RT began to crack the minute they had to transition to a mid-sized production house where there are 50+ employees and only a few of them who even know who everyone else is, let alone being friends with all of them. This naturally began to create internal divides with two larger groups of people emerging from the formation of all these divided sub-groups. The group that wanted everything to remain the same as it was when they were small (copious amounts of drinking during work hours at RT, abuse of crunch, etc.), and the group that wants to be more standardized and professional.

RT as a company wants to be more professional, but its management has never fully moved on from being a small business. Be it due to lack of experience, being emotionally compromised or simply never having the mind for upper level management, RT's management was simply not capable of doing a business transition. Business transitions are always tricky and will always alienate the group of employees and customers insistent on everything remaining the same.

However, not making that transition is even more disastrous since it alienates the group of employees who require things to be more standardized and sets the company up for stagnancy through inefficient and frankly ineffective business structures that have to work around all the un-standardized business practices. Ultimately pissing off the customer base. Standardized practices are necessary to running larger operations which will deliver adequate product in sufficient amounts to the customer base.

Failing this will eventually lead from stagnancy to a major decline as we are seeing now as RT is desperately trying to transition far too late under Fullscreen and ultimately alienating the only employees and customers they have left.

RT essentially never grew with their audience or adapted to meet the new audience. Stagnancy will almost always lead to decline, and finally death for any business.
 
Oh yeah, RT’s plan to try and get to Hollywood. It didn’t work.
To this day, I haven't got a fucking clue how that was meant to work. Levar isn't some fucking Tom Cruise motherfucker that can hit them with connections, he's a guy that's famous for 2 things that while beloved, brought him nowhere near the power RT would need to make anything happen.
 
To this day, I haven't got a fucking clue how that was meant to work. Levar isn't some fucking Tom Cruise motherfucker that can hit them with connections, he's a guy that's famous for 2 things that while beloved, brought him nowhere near the power RT would need to make anything happen.
I think they were trying to get nerd cred since Burton was on Star Trek
 
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When did RT decline really start? Monty's death, Burnie leaving and so on have been events that sunk the ship even lower, but what was the starting point?
Hard mode: no "the foundation of RT"
An interesting question, truth be told. First buyout I'd reckon, since that meant they were now apart of the machine and it was around the same time Ray quit. I think this was the first canary in the coal mine moment atleast.

Problem with pinpointing it with RT is that this company has been dying a death by a thousand cuts vs one big event that killed them. Like, the 3 buyouts have hurt them tremendously. Losing like 80% of the on screen talent people actually liked has hurt them a lot. They also haven't cultivated new talent worth a damn since Jeremy and Matt. Ray also being a massive success on his own also wounded the company since that made it clear that any talent didn't need the company anymore to survive.

The Ryan/Adam controversy has hurt them a ton, it's arguably the biggest news story to come out of that company in years. Then there was Gray stealing company money for his crappy mecha show, which killed an original project in Nomad and gave RWBY its worst season (At the time at least) which lost a ton of fans too. Also not helping is they haven't produced anything worth a damn in years. RVB is fucking dead, Zero putting the nail in its coffin. RWBY hasn't had a good season since 3 and every other animated project they've done is also fucking dead. Their live action projects are dead too.

Mica Burton was another huge fucking blunder on their part too. Blatant Cronyism hire that cried racism when no one liked her which caused them to massively overcorrect their public image. Which has led to hiring shitters like Fiona and Ky. Which has probably led to the most fan drop off at this point. Being a liberal company too, 2016 caused them immense brainrot which has also chased away tons of fans too. People just wanna watch dumbasses play games and have fun, not whinge about politics.

Honestly, its such a slowburn with this company. Like Kenshiro hit em with some Hokuto no Ken shit and said "You're already dead" before walking away from the exploding corpse.
 
An interesting question, truth be told. First buyout I'd reckon, since that meant they were now apart of the machine and it was around the same time Ray quit. I think this was the first canary in the coal mine moment atleast.

Problem with pinpointing it with RT is that this company has been dying a death by a thousand cuts vs one big event that killed them. Like, the 3 buyouts have hurt them tremendously. Losing like 80% of the on screen talent people actually liked has hurt them a lot. They also haven't cultivated new talent worth a damn since Jeremy and Matt. Ray also being a massive success on his own also wounded the company since that made it clear that any talent didn't need the company anymore to survive.

The Ryan/Adam controversy has hurt them a ton, it's arguably the biggest news story to come out of that company in years. Then there was Gray stealing company money for his crappy mecha show, which killed an original project in Nomad and gave RWBY its worst season (At the time at least) which lost a ton of fans too. Also not helping is they haven't produced anything worth a damn in years. RVB is fucking dead, Zero putting the nail in its coffin. RWBY hasn't had a good season since 3 and every other animated project they've done is also fucking dead. Their live action projects are dead too.

Mica Burton was another huge fucking blunder on their part too. Blatant Cronyism hire that cried racism when no one liked her which caused them to massively overcorrect their public image. Which has led to hiring shitters like Fiona and Ky. Which has probably led to the most fan drop off at this point. Being a liberal company too, 2016 caused them immense brainrot which has also chased away tons of fans too. People just wanna watch dumbasses play games and have fun, not whinge about politics.

Honestly, its such a slowburn with this company. Like Kenshiro hit em with some Hokuto no Ken shit and said "You're already dead" before walking away from the exploding corpse.
I've been thinking about it and I think it's even earlier than any of these I think it happened in their golden age.

Look back at when the Lets play channel kicked off and when RWBY was started, any critisim was met with mocking by RT as a whole even if it was good advise that they themselves took later down the road. This attitude not only meant that they were destined to kill the company some how but also bred a rabbid fanbase of sycophants that allowed people like Ryan to thrive.

Like all good lolcows they'd be doing fine if they had at anypoint stopped and humbled themselves but no even at their best they have thought they've known best and driven off paying customers because of it.
 
I've been thinking about it and I think it's even earlier than any of these I think it happened in their golden age.

Look back at when the Lets play channel kicked off and when RWBY was started, any critisim was met with mocking by RT as a whole even if it was good advise that they themselves took later down the road. This attitude not only meant that they were destined to kill the company some how but also bred a rabbid fanbase of sycophants that allowed people like Ryan to thrive.

Like all good lolcows they'd be doing fine if they had at anypoint stopped and humbled themselves but no even at their best they have thought they've known best and driven off paying customers because of it.
You're definitely not wrong. They earned that attitude in their golden age and honestly, I wouldn't blame them for having it back then. Company went from a rinky dink little operation in Burnies spare bedroom to being THE fucking Lets Play channel back then. But like you said, problem is that attitude never went away and you can't really keep being so cocky when the videos for your multimillion dollar company are struggling to break 100K views.

But really, you can never stop heaping this companies issues onto it. I see a lot of people these days talk about how none of the talent even gives a shit anymore. In Lets plays and out. Also I think its kinda strange that 2 members of the LP channel did a collab with Nijisanji (Vtuber corp if you don't know) and neither of them streamed it anywhere. You'd think at least 1 of them would stream it on behalf of the company but nah. Just show up, play amogus and do nothing else.

I also wonder if the lack of care recently is because they know the hammer is falling soon. Every year we predict this company will die though and every year they keep trundling along somehow.
 
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I know a lot of people are pointing out the major faults in RTs slippery slope into decline being things like the buyout, RTs corporate culture, and certain people leaving/being fired, but can I just say that I feel like the decline has always been RT in and of itself being lazy. The company was built on RvB which basically used assets they took from Halo and used themselves and friends for cheap VA talent, and it's been a slog of content that does the same thing. The first time they had to put any actual work into something it quickly sank as they couldn't be bothered to put any real effort into it. AH was the same thing, doing videos about "trophy hunting" in games when the description of the trophy/achievement has what you need to do to get it outside of a few "secret" ones. As they broke that mold in favor of more LP style content, it was basically the same concept. They would take a concept and then just run it into the ground until a new thing popped up (think GMOD) which they would do the same thing. GMOD has all these great game types and they still play the same three or four game types. Minecraft is a perfect example of their laziness. Every mod series they've done they've just up and quit it in favor of a YDYD series when stuff started getting complicated. They started Achievement Cove and did nothing with it, they started that new island to play with other groups from RT and nothing came from it.

Even their first major staple of GTA was nothing but laziness. They did the same game play and modes in GTA4 that carried them in GTA5, and stuck doing the same mess arounds and game modes in GTA5 from the PS3/XBox360 version to the PS4/Xbox 1 then to the PC. They'll do the same thing for the next console version too if they already haven't. They've even copied stuff from the GTA5 subreddit to recreate with little success because they can't be bothered to sit still and do actual work to make things happen.

Now they're fishing for more views and their solution is to give every employee their own podcast which can all be summed as "a few RT employees sit around for an hour or two and talk about stuff that has already been talked about a few times before."
 
To this day, I haven't got a fucking clue how that was meant to work. Levar isn't some fucking Tom Cruise motherfucker that can hit them with connections, he's a guy that's famous for 2 things that while beloved, brought him nowhere near the power RT would need to make anything happen.
That's why I label Mica a Black Monkey, and not so much a connection. The only thing she had going for her was an affinity for nerd culture that stemmed from her dad, and not much in the ways of talent beyond a college level education, with no actual acting role beyond having her name in some youtube channel barely any Hollywood celeb knows about or a DnD game... quite frankly, no one, not even a majority of Rooster Teeth fans would know about unless you were in DnD circles up until Amazon did a show inspired by them.
Honestly, its such a slowburn with this company. Like Kenshiro hit em with some Hokuto no Ken shit and said "You're already dead" before walking away from the exploding corpse.
It's more like Kenshiro tapped them, and now they're a walking corpse that could explode at any moment, all the while said person is thinking Kenshiro fucked up and are acting like a giant spastic to everyone they knew.
"a few RT employees sit around for an hour or two and talk about stuff that has already been talked about a few times before."
Red Web in a fucking nutshell. "Lets talk about Lake City Quiet Pills" oh you mean the thing Barely Sociable covered a year prior? Fuck off.
 
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I think they were trying to get nerd cred since Burton was on Star Trek
Which IMO shows how fucking out of touch RT was with their fanbase. The average fan watching RT content in the 2010s knew Star Trek as just something their dad kinda liked, maybe. They seemed to forget they're 45+ year old men and their fanbase is like, 13-20. The average RT fan by '16 was probably born '97-'00 and didn't know who the fuck Levar Burton was.
 
I know a lot of people are pointing out the major faults in RTs slippery slope into decline being things like the buyout, RTs corporate culture, and certain people leaving/being fired, but can I just say that I feel like the decline has always been RT in and of itself being lazy. The company was built on RvB which basically used assets they took from Halo and used themselves and friends for cheap VA talent, and it's been a slog of content that does the same thing. The first time they had to put any actual work into something it quickly sank as they couldn't be bothered to put any real effort into it. AH was the same thing, doing videos about "trophy hunting" in games when the description of the trophy/achievement has what you need to do to get it outside of a few "secret" ones. As they broke that mold in favor of more LP style content, it was basically the same concept. They would take a concept and then just run it into the ground until a new thing popped up (think GMOD) which they would do the same thing. GMOD has all these great game types and they still play the same three or four game types. Minecraft is a perfect example of their laziness. Every mod series they've done they've just up and quit it in favor of a YDYD series when stuff started getting complicated. They started Achievement Cove and did nothing with it, they started that new island to play with other groups from RT and nothing came from it.

Even their first major staple of GTA was nothing but laziness. They did the same game play and modes in GTA4 that carried them in GTA5, and stuck doing the same mess arounds and game modes in GTA5 from the PS3/XBox360 version to the PS4/Xbox 1 then to the PC. They'll do the same thing for the next console version too if they already haven't. They've even copied stuff from the GTA5 subreddit to recreate with little success because they can't be bothered to sit still and do actual work to make things happen.

Now they're fishing for more views and their solution is to give every employee their own podcast which can all be summed as "a few RT employees sit around for an hour or two and talk about stuff that has already been talked about a few times before."
There was a reason I mentioned their gaming sector was stuck in the Obama Administration.
 
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Ray leaving was the start of AH declining, but I'd say the start of the decline for RT as a whole was when they never actually cultivated and nurtured new blood in their company and kept trying to bring in outsiders. This on it's own wasn't a problem, they had a massive and vibrant community full of talented individuals to poach talent from after all, but once they started antagonizing their own community it was over.

To expand on this. When they decided to can their talent pipeline (which was the community channels) and try to be an "old media" production house (much as they like to waffle on about being new media). Thus simultaneously, when combined with laziness, ensuring the former would die a slow death while never having the chops or mentality to become the latter.
 
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To expand on this. When they decided to can their talent pipeline (which was the community channels) and try to be an "old media" production house (much as they like to waffle on about being new media).
With RWBY doing as well as it did out of the gate, can you really blame them?
 
Late to the party, but RT started the death spiral with Laser Team. The entire crowdfunding and then corporate acquisitions really soured people because of how it basically showed that almost everyone in the company didn’t give a shit about pissing off the long time fans for the newer ones.
I think the rot was already set in prior to the acquisition Kathleen Zueluch had a fight with the unfunny Blonde Jew around 2013? From then on she basically was kept at arms length until they just stopped giving her work after killing off her characters. But Roosterteeth was already dying, the money let them ignore obvious flaws, but the company itself was run by idiots.
 
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