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Follow up to the tranny athletes ban:
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I love the sentence "I know experts have rebuked the anti-trans arguments but I don't understand those rebuttals."

A mod renders verdict:
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You have to READ the PATTERNS if you want to sniff out FASCISTS.
My favorite quote from that thread was, "I also find it kinda scary that just not being knowledgeable is worth a month ban now." (Heh, with optional upgrade to perma, doncha know.)

Also I archived all of this chaos for posterity, lol.
> Bellerophon receives a Thirty-Day Ban: Transphobia
> Bellerophon receives a Permanent Ban: Racism, transphobia, and chronic trolling
> Regarding the recently closed "How to respond to people re: trans athletes" thread


And someone wants an carrot on an stick and a mod is saying "no."
Hmmm, or they could do the easy and obvious thing and just add a "Like" button. And maybe a "Circle-Jerk" button for the ones who repeat this week's Talking Points the most emphatically.
 
I'm surprised we don't see more attempts to cancel him based on that since it's actually true, even though the portrayal of dwarves is nearly entirely positive, even of their "Jewish" traits, and Tolkien generally approved of Jews in reality as well.
And notably the lust for gold is known as "dragon sickness" and it's not looked upon as a positive by the dwarves. While they value metals, they value craftsmanship, family, and battle prowess much more.
 
And notably the lust for gold is known as "dragon sickness" and it's not looked upon as a positive by the dwarves. While they value metals, they value craftsmanship, family, and battle prowess much more.

There indeed lay Thorin Oakenshield, wounded with many wounds, and his rent armour and notched axe were cast upon the floor. He looked up as Bilbo came beside him.

"Farewell, good thief," he said. "I go now to the halls of waiting to sit beside my fathers, until the world is renewed. Since I leave now all gold and silver, and go where it is of little worth, I wish to part in friendship from you, and I would take back my words and deeds at the Gate."

Bilbo knelt on one knee filled with sorrow. "Farewell, King under the Mountain!" he said. "This is a bitter adventure, if it must end so; and not a mountain of gold can amend it. Yet I am glad that I have shared in your perils – that has been more than any Baggins deserves."

"No!" said Thorin. "There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. But sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell!"

- The Hobbit, chapter 18
 
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Well it finally happened. I'm officially mad at the internet. 🎩
 
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Well it finally happened. I'm officially mad at the internet. 🎩
Who is even arguing that Ruby Ridge was somehow a good thing? It's an expose on why the fed and three letter agencies are bad news at their current size and scale, combined with paranoid attitudes. These people are brainless.
 
Deep breaths. Deep breaths.

I deleted my first draft of this post because it kinda boiled down to some incredibly bad tempered, vengeful ranting against Bcaugust and the rest of the faggot crew on RPGnet.

Which, yes, I know, fedposting, Minecrafting, etc.

But holy fuck, the sheer gall. To take the blatantly unconstitutional, illegal actions at Ruby Ridge and just wave it off as 'white supremacy'?

About the only good news is that Mithril Maiden just kicked up the traces in Trouble Tickets. My money's on them eating a ban too, because fuck any narrative other than the Approved One. But full credit to someone for pointing out how fucking asinine this is.

Part of me really wants to burnerpost and tell them 'You had better pray to whatever god you venerate that you keep control of the feebs. Because it would really suck if those organs got turned against you and your stupid slacktivist faggot groups.'
 
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It's a 'white supremist' talking point that the feds filed a bogus weapons charge on Randy Weaver to press-gang him into acting as their infiltrator/snitch in the Aryan Nations (he was never a member) after their previous informant got exposed? Because I thought it became a matter of public record during Weaver's fucking trial, including the feds' rat having to indicate to Weaver exactly where to cut down the shotgun.

Ruby Ridge was such a shitshow of a glow op that when placed in front of two juries, Weaver walked on all charges but the failure to appear, and was awarded $3.1 million because the government MURDERED HIS WIFE AND CHILD OVER AN ARREST WARRANT.

I knew BCAugust was a dumb twat but this level of retardation should be grounds for compulsory sterilization.
 
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But holy fuck, the sheer gall. To take the blatantly unconstitutional, illegal actions at Ruby Ridge and just wave it off as 'white supremacy'?

About the only good news is that Mithril Maiden just kicked up the traces in Trouble Tickets. My money's on them eating a ban too, because fuck any narrative other than the Approved One. But full credit to someone for pointing out how fucking asinine this is.

They're not eating a ban, though given their presence in the Trans athletes trouble ticket too their card is marked, but naturally the response is likely to make people angrier.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase 'figures don't lie, but liars figure.' You may also be familiar with the old quote about 'lies, damned lies, and statistics'. Facts work the same way.

The Aes Sedai in Wheel of Time come to mind -- they are magically rendered truly incapable of 'telling a lie', but they are also extremely skilled at arranging truths for the purpose of obfuscation or deception. There are multiple characters in fiction and folklore -- across multiple cultures -- who use this technique, with various motivations and results. And unfortunately, there are plenty of real life people who use this technique as well, although in the real world people are a little less rigorous about ensuring the veracity of their facts.

There are several things here. Some you have already mentioned. Given the poster's history, the mod staff has no reason to assume good faith.

Context matters. AstralRunner's post is a response to another poster talking about how Ruby Ridge was the government "coming down hard on right wing groups" and how it led to a rise in recruitment for various right-wing militias and since then the US government has avoided the massive and unconstitutional violence like at Ruby Ridge (avoided it if the people are white and conservative, anyway). Since the concern here appears to be truth, it is important to note that the poster being replied to is factually correct. From the moderating team's perspective, there is nothing disingenuous about Count Zero's post.

AstralRunner then charges in and accuses the poster of "divisive, pro-police propaganda" and repeating the "government's logic". The latter complaint is, frankly, nonsensical. Yes, of course that was the logic used to justify the abuses. That the feds engaged in flagrant abuses of power does not in any way negate that the target of those flagrant abuses was a target because he was a far right extremist. That second bit is the reason Ruby Ridge became such a wellspring of right-wing-talking points.

Describing the post as "divisive" is a red flag here. That is the same terminology currently being used to ban books about segregation and other abuses against people of color. "Pro-police propoganda" doesn't make sense as the post being responded to is about the aftereffects of siege and why the government doesn't do that any more (although again, that only applies for white conservatives).

AR is specifically responding to a post speculating about why the feds stopped coming down hard on right wing extremists with a post that seems to be arguing either that Randy Weaver wasn't targeted for being a right wing extremist (he was) or arguing that the government didn't end up coming down hard on them (they did, but they got in trouble for it afterward). That framing is the problem. It turns out you don't "gotta hand it to them".

The entire post is a bad-faith attempt to derail the conversation. The modstaff is under no obligation to treat it as anything other than that. People who are worried about the prison conditions of Jan. 6th insurrections do not actually care about general prison conditions. "Free Speech" advocates who are also cheering bans on "CRT" are not actually in favor of freedom of speech. This is no different.

This post would have gotten some level of moderation even without the context of previous infractions.

You guys know which non-conservative wives the FBI have been sniping since Ruby Ridge? Funkadelic claims to. I also love how he really lets the mask go in the next to last paragraph and makes it clear that any posts sympathising with the system mistreating those on the opposite side of politics to him is unacceptable in his eyes because those people have it coming.

What a load of cunts.

Edit - while there's not a lot of hilarity in it the title of this trouble ticket made me shake my head a little and go "sure, you're not a cult."

Reinforcing good behavior​


Edit again that reminded me, the scum suckers never came back on the Rittenhouse one they "locked for conferencing" before Christmas. Spineless turds

 
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Who is even arguing that Ruby Ridge was somehow a good thing? It's an expose on why the fed and three letter agencies are bad news at their current size and scale, combined with paranoid attitudes. These people are brainless.
Randy Weaver owned guns. That made him a racist. That made it okay to murder his wife and son.
 
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