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[anti SJW]

So what's the mods reaction to what happened in Nashville with the FtM killing 6 people, 3 of whom were 9 year olds?

 

[AnOminous]

So what's the mods reaction to what happened in Nashville with the FtM killing 6 people, 3 of whom were 9 year olds?

They deserved it for believing in Jesus and troons are the real victims, as always.

 

[Loose Goose]

It is unlikely it will even be discussed beyond some "oh no, what will happen to the trans folx now" handwringing. They are too whipped to form a strong opinion, so they will go with whatever MSM talking point gets cooked up.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

So what's the mods reaction to what happened in Nashville with the FtM killing 6 people, 3 of whom were 9 year olds?

Like Anomimous said, "Catholics have it coming" is the tone of a long list of RPGs these days and the average poster on here is so out of touch with reality they believe it.

 

[Next Task]

Like Anomimous said, "Catholics have it coming" is the tone of a long list of RPGs these days and the average poster on here is so out of touch with reality they believe it.

Just like I'm sure they support the removal of half-races in D&D as being problematic, even though I don't know anyone can explain it being problematic without being incredibly racist.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Just like I'm sure they support the removal of half-races in D&D as being problematic, even though I don't know anyone can explain it being problematic without being incredibly racist.

As someone pointed out in the RPG thread this half-race banning has not touched the currently very popular tieflings. So the problem seems not to be with race mixing but the name half-insert race.

The biggest problem is they're using sensitivity readers which who are mostly terminally online idiots detached from reality most of whom are only in it for a foot in the door in that industry and inclusion ambassadors some of whom are actually children. To use the Dahl incident for example as one on the literary side of things.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/roald-dahl-books-editors-woke-consultants-all-under-30/

The company hired to revise Roald Dahl’s books only uses “woke” consultants under the age of 30 and once employed a project manager who describes themselves as a “non-binary, asexual, polyamorous relationship anarchist.”

Inclusive Minds — a “collective for people who are passionate about inclusion and accessibility in children’s literature” was hired to revise, and in some cases, rewrite entire sections of Dahl’s books, deleting descriptions such as “fat” or “ugly” and ohter terms now deemed offensive.

The organization utilizes “sensitivity readers,” as wellas nearly 100 “inclusion ambassadors” — who range in age from eight to 30 — to remove language deemed insensitive or non-inclusive from texts, the National Review reported.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/meet-the-woke-activists-behind-the-roald-dahl-book-purge/

Among the progressive editors tasked with revisiting classics such as “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory,” “Matilda” and “The Witches” was a staffer who described themselves as a “non-binary, asexual, polyamorous relationship anarchist who is on the autism spectrum,” according to National Review.

Jo Ross-Barrett, a former project manager at the company, had earlier boasted on their since-deleted LinkedIn page about being involved in a secretive project involving children’s classics — hinting at the Dahl revisions.

On their page, they wrote about “delivering a large-scale, comprehensive review of inclusion issues and potential solutions for copyright holders and publishers of one of the most famous classic children’s book collections in the world (specifics under NDA until publication),” according to the outlet.

Other activists who worked on the project include the current director of Inclusive Minds, A. M. Dassu, who wrote “Fight Back,” a story of a girl who fights Islamophobia after a terrorist attack, and “Boot It,” about two boys who “tackle racism” on their sports teams.

Another ambassador, Sarah Mehrali, has previously expressed frustration over the lack of Muslim representation in children’s books, writing in a blog post on the organization’s website that by reading stories with only white characters as a child she learned “people of colour don’t go on adventures.”

A spokesperson for Inclusive Minds told National Review its ambassadors don’t make direct edits, but that young people with “lived experience” have valuable inputs to make when it comes to “reviewing language that can be damaging and perpetuate harmful stereotypes”. They also noted publishers have the final say at to what changes they want to make.

So the people suggesting these changes are children, online morons and people who want to work in the industry who are also being given the power to destroy the works of their competition. The last I find infinitely more deplorable than the merely ignorant. The half races removal smacks to me as a combination of all of the above, what they likely would likely claim would be better is keeping the various half races but with their own special name to avoid offending idiots like them.

 

[Next Task]

The biggest problem is they're using sensitivity readers which who are mostly terminally online idiots detached from reality most of whom are only in it for a foot in the door in that industry

FTFY. Like misinformation reporters all being involved with spreading misinformation, every single sensitivity reader is a terminally poisoned by idpol asshole who has no business near anything creative, because they cannot do that, only destroy. No exceptions.

 

[AnOminous]

The half races removal smacks to me as a combination of all of the above, what they likely would likely claim would be better is keeping the various half races but with their own special name to avoid offending idiots like them.

Oh, yes, we should definitely have words like "elfatto" and "elforoon" to indicate the exact blood quantum. That would be very progressive.

 

[Cuckoman]

They should absolutely get rid of Thieflings, Halflings because these are basically just a minstrel show for white people to make fun of midgets.
Dwarves, it is obvious why this race need to go.
Humans need to go because they represent white european colonialism. The entire setting of human settlements in dnd is just a celebration of medieval european colonianism and settlement. It has to go.

There should only be two races to play:
Orcs for black and bipoc people, possibly a new KingOrcs for B people while leaving Orcs for the IPOCs, and
Elves for indigenous and latinx people.

Is it considered black-face is a white person plays as an orc?

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Oh, yes, we should definitely have words like "elfatto" and "elforoon" to indicate the exact blood quantum. That would be very progressive.

I believe Kingdoms of Kalamar did it with a dwarf/human one that was called Mul (my bad, it was Dark Suns) and I can understand the desire to do so. But honestly you then just drive the racial purity spiral harder than ever.

Which I know is a feature not a bug but still.

 

[Megatardingo]

Oh, yes, we should definitely have words like "elfatto" and "elforoon" to indicate the exact blood quantum. That would be very progressive.

I'm going for elfizo and make em southamerican in ma campaen

 

[Loose Goose]

Cite the AD&D rules in a thread? Here comes your second infraction, bigot!



Since images are borked, here's the post:

Spoiler

Of course, AD&D has it's Typical Inhabitants (DMG):

TYPICAL INHABITANTS
The bulk of the people met on an adventure in an inhabited area — whether
city, town, village, or along the roads through the countryside, will be average
folk, with no profession as adventurers know it, and no special abilities for
clericism, fighting, magic, or thievery. They are simply typical, normal people
(as you define typical and normal for the milieu, of course). When dealing with
these types, it is suggested that the following factors be used:

General Classific Hit Points Combat Ability
sedentary females 1 - 3 –3
sedentary males 1 - 4 –2
active females 1 - 4 –1
active males 2 - 5 0 level
laboring females 2 - 5 0 level
laboring males 2 - 7 0 level

Sedentary occupations are those where the individual does nothing, or is a
clerk, scribe, etc.

Active occupations are those involving considerable movement and activity
such as a serving maid, carpenter, etc.
Laboring occupations are strenuous and include farming, mining, and most
menial labor tasks.

I've often considered running a 0-level game, with the general classification determined by the character's secondary skill.

This would give a modest HP boost to 1st level characters.

DCC does 0-level very well with its Funnel, again granting a modest HP boost

Lion and Dragon also has a 0-level for PCs

Other sources give demographics for levelled characters by realm size.

And the infraction notice:

Spoiler

We already infracted you once for reproducing and defending the racist bits of early D&D editions, and we explained why it was a good thing they were gone. It should come as no surprise that we hold the same attitude towards its sexist bits.


This would normally be a warning, but given your infraction history we're upgrading it to a one-day ban.

 

[Mola Ram]

Cite the AD&D rules in a thread? Here comes your second infraction, bigot!

I hate these fucking people so much.

 

[NotFatChild]

I hate these fucking people so much.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who sign up to talk about rpgs without looking at the rest of the site and get confused when they're promptly banned for violating unwritten leftist ideological rule #512315 that was made up on the spot.

If you've been there for more than a few days I have no sympathy for your ban. "You knew what I was when you signed up."

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who sign up to talk about rpgs without looking at the rest of the site and get confused when they're promptly banned for violating unwritten leftist ideological rule #512315 that was made up on the spot.

If you've been there for more than a few days I have no sympathy for your ban. "You knew what I was when you signed up."

Um excuse me, you can talk about rpgs all you want, you just can't say anything negative about them.

 

[Wallace]

There is no more heinous crime on RPGNet than professing the wrong opinion.

 

[robobobo]

The thing that rustles my jimmies about their whole little cult is that the same people who are all, "Gatekeeping in RPGs is BAD, mkay?" are the exact same people who came up with the geek social fallacies concept, which basically boils down to it being bad if you don't boot someone's ass out of your club for wrongthink. Now, I'll make allowances; if you have That Guy in your friend circle and he's not safe to leave alone around unattended pets, children or sleeping women, yes, you should oust the potential rapist, but what I commonly see is people bringing up the social fallacies to justify ousting nerds from nerd spaces because their opinions make it "unsafe" for the people who don't share their opinions. The double standard is so lopsided that it extends out past the atmosphere; they're super into gatekeeping, just as long as the person being gatekept is light-skinned and doesn't tweet daily about their unending desire to buttfuck and/or mutilate childrens' genitals.

 

[Next Task]

The thing that rustles my jimmies about their whole little cult is that the same people who are all, "Gatekeeping in RPGs is BAD, mkay?" are the exact same people who came up with the geek social fallacies concept, which basically boils down to it being bad if you don't boot someone's ass out of your club for wrongthink.

I was actually having this conversation with a friend earlier. Things like the Geek Social Fallacies are like pretty much every lefty buzzword concept, in that it's a thing, a valuable framework to refer to - but it's been over- and mis-used to the point of meaninglessness. For example, gaslighting is a real thing, but has been so diluted by (mostly) women calling anything they disagree with gaslighting that it's lost all meaning. The same with mansplaining - it's now applied to any time a man explains something to or for a woman, even when she has no idea what she's talking about and he's an expert in the field, when it's only meant to apply to when it's the other way around. Women will claim they are being mansplained to when a man points out a mistake they've made online, and then call it gaslighting if anyone then says that, like it or not, she's still wrong.

So the Geek Social Fallacies are a great lens to explain nerdy dynamics, especially within a hobby where there's more of a common interest than a common bond but some people try and treat it as a large friendship group anyway. But now, when you have That Guy trooning out, no matter how unsafe it is to leave him around children or sleeping women, the new, 6th, woke rule kicks in, overriding all the others: The more a member of the group plays the victim, the more the group has to protect them, no matter who it drives away; Supporting the Marginalised trumps every other consideration in modern geek spaces.

RPGNet is a great demonstration of how this new rule destroys geek spaces, as is ResetEra, because it always means the worst people in the group get coddled and empowered. As you point out, this means instead of groups being too accepting of creeps and unpleasant people, they now gatekeep, usually in support of those same creeps and unpleasant people because they've changed their pronouns. What's even funnier and more insane is that these are wolves in wolves' clothing, not even disguised as sheep. Yet still they get to gatekeep in the name of oppression. It isn't just a trans thing, either, but that social contagion has made a major push to be the thing to destroy as many geek spaces as possible.

 

[Wallace]

Things like troonery prey upon geek spaces because it hits on the subject of inclusion and acceptable, which has always been a live wire for geeks. If you don't Accept Me As I Am, you're an evil ostracizer. If you don't like this thing I'm doing, you're not an ally.

A lot of geeks also heavily buy into the narrative of perpetual victimhood. Many geeks, particularly those who grew up before geekdom gained mainstream cool, have had horrible formative experiences with bullying and ostracism. Those experiences contributed to forming their self-identity as perennial social outcasts. Regardless of how their lives have developed since those events, in their internal narrative they are always the Victims, never the Bullies. For this reason, any behavior that upsets them, including requests to moderate their own behavior for other people’s sake, is a form of bullying. For this reason, a lot of people in geek spaces troon out for the social capital of victimhood.

For all that RPGNet claims to be diverse, inclusive, and welcoming, they have consistently shown hostility to those who are different from them. But since they are the Victims, they cannot be Bullies.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Things like troonery prey upon geek spaces because it hits on the subject of inclusion and acceptable, which has always been a live wire for geeks. If you don't Accept Me As I Am, you're an evil ostracizer. If you don't like this thing I'm doing, you're not an ally.

A lot of geeks also heavily buy into the narrative of perpetual victimhood. Many geeks, particularly those who grew up before geekdom gained mainstream cool, have had horrible formative experiences with bullying and ostracism. Those experiences contributed to forming their self-identity as perennial social outcasts. Regardless of how their lives have developed since those events, in their internal narrative they are always the Victims, never the Bullies. For this reason, any behavior that upsets them, including requests to moderate their own behavior for other people’s sake, is a form of bullying. For this reason, a lot of people in geek spaces troon out for the social capital of victimhood.

For all that RPGNet claims to be diverse, inclusive, and welcoming, they have consistently shown hostility to those who are different from them. But since they are the Victims, they cannot be Bullies.

There's also the important factor that geeks are small in number so a single infiltration is a larger percentage of the whole than say fans of a sport. You get 10 people into a fandom of 1,000,000 strong you're a small voice. Every time a 0 comes off the end of that fandom their voice gets a lot louder.