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I will note something: the mods come down like a ton of bricks for 'group attacks' regardless of the group you're attacking.

You're not allowed to say nice things about Trump, but talk a little too nastily about his supporters and boom, vacation time.

Which makes me wonder why. I mean, they refer to ICE as a hate group. Why the fuck would they care if someone talks about how all Trump supporters are Nazis?
 
I will note something: the mods come down like a ton of bricks for 'group attacks' regardless of the group you're attacking.

You're not allowed to say nice things about Trump, but talk a little too nastily about his supporters and boom, vacation time.

Which makes me wonder why. I mean, they refer to ICE as a hate group. Why the fuck would they care if someone talks about how all Trump supporters are Nazis?

It's almost like they get off on exercising their power in the only bullshit arena where any sane person would take a chance giving them any.
 
It's almost like they get off on exercising their power in the only bullshit arena where any sane person would take a chance giving them any.
Well yeah, but consider the hard ideological bent of the forum. Why hammer people for saying what you're blatantly thinking?
 
Well yeah, but consider the hard ideological bent of the forum. Why hammer people for saying what you're blatantly thinking?

At a guess, so they can pay lip-service to the idea they're not hardcore ideologues on a forum where actual RPG playing is a distant, secondary concern.
 
Ten, fifteen years ago, yeah.

The Forge Wars were the first shots fired in the Culture War, now that you look back at it.
It was definitely the first time in a long time that the elites coalesced as a group around a "social justice" topic in a non-political arena. The Forge Wars were basically Gamergate 0.5.
 
Ten, fifteen years ago, yeah.

The Forge Wars were the first shots fired in the Culture War, now that you look back at it.
I've watched a lot of the skirmishes out there but missed the Forge wars...

*starts bonfire*
*gets popcorn*

So, grandpa, tell us about the first battle, plz?
 
They were going down this insane PC road since before the split with NeoGAF. Weren't the Forge Wars like a decade ago?

Very true, it was that specific run of people rushing in to dogpile the wrongthinker followed by the mod coming in an ‘saving’ everyone by banning him that really reminded me of a ResetEra thread. But yeah, it’s been coming a long time.
 
At a guess, so they can pay lip-service to the idea they're not hardcore ideologues on a forum where actual RPG playing is a distant, secondary concern.
I thought it was because they're terrified of opening themselves up to litigation, which is why any poster who even hints at soliciting legal/medical advice gets sanctioned.
 
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I thought it was because they're terrified of opening themselves up to litigation, which is why any poster who even hints at soliciting legal/medical advice gets sanctioned.

I think it may have started out like that, but then you had a lot of the entryist proto-SJW's who all were usually either punk culture types like Darren or they were veterans of the Forge Wars autism.

IIRC, a lot of Pundit's spergery was rooted in the Forge Wars of the mid-late 2000's.

Pundit's still a bit of a sperg but he was also eerily prescient on how things were going to go down back then.
 
Seriously! I want to know about the forge war. (It sounds metal so I know I'll be disappointed)
Basically, it all started with the theory of co-op games, where mechanics took a back seat to player interaction, the lack of a need for a GM, stuff like that.

I stayed out of most of it, because to me it looked like a fountain of faggotry.

From there, you spawned a couple of superstars, most of which I don't even remember. One guy built The RPGSite IIRC.

The whole thing started with "We need more inclusive language, stop using him/her and use them more!" and then complaints about big tittied chicks and Conan-esque dudes with "They don't represent the people in the hobby and make people feel unwelcome" about 2002. ENWorld was a positive seething mass of this shit, mainly around one guy's advertisements.

You had the typical superstars out championing for the Right Way the Hobby Should Be Played.

(Funny thing, I know for a fact that at least 1 of the superstars went to jail for child porn, at least 2 others embezzled funds, and one major company didn't pay out their contributors since the guy who ended up with the company didn't feel the need to pay any of the authors the child porn dude hired)

Then there was the big shit-fit about Anthony Valterra putting out the Book of Erotic Fantasy, which led to a change in the STL with Wizards, which just gave the Forge crowd more ammunition.

It became very quick: This is the proper way to play.

One game in particular, maybe two, were linchpins: My Life With Master, and Dogs in the Vineyard (I never looked at either, I was busy). Which were all about inclusion and player choice with limited rules.

The Forge were advocating for getting rid of random scores, ensuring everything was perfectly balanced, and there was talk of reducing ability scores to just the bonuses, so it would run -4 to +4 only.

"Narrative Gameplay" was thrown around a lot.

One game, all I remember was it had a fucking magic deer, was called Blue Rose, and this caused an even bigger shit storm.

Now, remember, this was in the days before YouTube streamers so it was just long ranting screeds and posts. Most of the sites are gone, and ENWorld suffered a server crash which wiped away a lot of shit.

This was the whole early 3.0/3.5, which was just a tsunami of spergery about everything.

Then 4.0 came, Pathfinder happened, and everything crashed for a lot of people. Most of the people faded out.

Some went into video game design, including one person who was tangentially involved in the Forge Wars but then was a big name in Gamergate, I shit you not.

Now, like Gamergate, it's already been fought, only in the case of TTRPGs, for the most part, the gamers who built the game, who supported the companies before they got big, they got colonized and wiped out in purges.

It was all just cheeto dust in the wind.
 
One game, all I remember was it had a fucking magic deer, was called Blue Rose, and this caused an even bigger shit storm.
The best summary I can give for that game: Cervine authoritarian matriarchy that openly practices mind control on its subjects if they step out of line (the author-designated good guys) vs. Virtuous God-fearing alliance of feudal kingdoms who recognize the problems with giving everyone recreational McMagic and don't trust talking deer to govern them (evil racist meninist scum).
 
The best summary I can give for that game: Cervine authoritarian matriarchy that openly practices mind control on its subjects if they step out of line (the author-designated good guys) vs. Virtuous God-fearing alliance of feudal kingdoms who recognize the problems with giving everyone recreational McMagic and don't trust talking deer to govern them (evil racist meninist scum).

You forgot the part about the PCs being the secret police of the authoritarian talking deer matriarchy.

Some of the Forge Wars veterans metamorphosed into story gamers, or games-as-group therapy. The reaction against 4e was the OSR movement, if I recall correctly.
 
You forgot the part about the PCs being the secret police of the authoritarian talking deer matriarchy.

Some of the Forge Wars veterans metamorphosed into story gamers, or games-as-group therapy. The reaction against 4e was the OSR movement, if I recall correctly.
The OSR was already sort of around by the time of the Forge Wars. OSRIC came out in 2006 and the beginnings of the OSR community were beginning to form even before that around making content for old D&D versions that people liked. Forge made them their public enemy #1 because they represented everything bad about the hobby in their minds: middle aged white men enjoying time together.

4e coming out in 2007 really kicked them into high gear and made a lot of people switch over to OSR from Wizards products. It also really kicked up the anger from the Forge crowd because they weren't getting the recognition and support that they felt they deserved, when the Fucking White Males were making money hand-over-fist with classic games like Lamentations of the Flame Princess (2009).
 
Blue Rose is a good example of someone wanting to make a Romantic Fantasy game without ever having read any Romantic Fantasy.

Actual Romantic Fantasy often have pretty grim settings, you know, to give the heroine something to strive against. Deer Privileged McGoodGuy nation is not how they do it.

You know your setting is too boring utopian when even rpg.net openly ponders if it would be more entertaining to play as the baddies:
Granted, this was over a decade ago when such thoughts were still permitted.
 
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