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[NerdShamer]

Even the Spanish inquisition would look at these guys and say, "lighten the fuck up!"

Dead serious that I have run across INTENSE religious folks (like the kind where a single gesture on screen in a movie is enough to disqualify it) who were less touchy than these people.

I would kill to look at a members/active users list of the website - especially over time. (Searched on my own before but couldn't turn it up.)

IIRC, their Alexa rank is worse than ours.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

All of their babbling about "indigenous writers" is irrelevant because Bravestarr is one of the those colonising the planet. Arguably evidence the show was ahead of its time since it was about a multi-racial multi-special attempt to colonise a planet with most of the frictions between the the colonisers being relatively minor.

Also you'd run it with Deadlands Lost Colony to ensure no-one is happy on RPG.net.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

All of their babbling about "indigenous writers" is irrelevant because Bravestarr is one of the those colonising the planet. Arguably evidence the show was ahead of its time since it was about a multi-racial multi-special attempt to colonise a planet with most of the frictions between the the colonisers being relatively minor.

Also you'd run it with Deadlands Lost Colony to ensure no-one is happy on RPG.net.

Is there some giant hate-boner that they have for Deadlands that I’m unaware of and if so, why?

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Is there some giant hate-boner that they have for Deadlands that I’m unaware of and if so, why?

I mean, why not? It's got all the "toxic" stuff of westerns, it's got a still-extant Confederacy, you name it. It's basically Hitler: The Roleplaying Game.

And poor Wak. He didn't deserve that.

 

[robobobo]

No, the Confederacy just got retconned out in the latest version. Because apparently literal Hell being unleashed on the midwest was insufficient reason to put the war on hold, so the rebs made an ill-fated assault on the yanks, lost, and goodbye Confederacy. All to save the POCs from racism and provide safe spaces, etc. And I'm sure their sales have quadrupled overnight for being so stunning and brave, and the usual suspects didn't just jump on something else to crucify the setting.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

*grabs his Devil's Advocate hat*

The Confederacy was on borrowed time regardless. Historically, they weren't fighting to win -- just to gain recognition from the major nations (Britain and France). France barely paid attention to them (busy with their own fuckery in Mexico) and Britain wisely avoided getting entangled further after that mess with the Confederate ships. So yeah, I can realistically see a situation where the Midwest goes to hell, but the Confederates make a critical blunder and lose their army (and thus, the Confederacy).

 

[Flexo]

*grabs his Devil's Advocate hat*

The Confederacy was on borrowed time regardless. Historically, they weren't fighting to win -- just to gain recognition from the major nations (Britain and France). France barely paid attention to them (busy with their own fuckery in Mexico) and Britain wisely avoided getting entangled further after that mess with the Confederate ships. So yeah, I can realistically see a situation where the Midwest goes to hell, but the Confederates make a critical blunder and lose their army (and thus, the Confederacy).

Or it would be like the alt history series where the unleashing of Hell causes the two sides to reunite against a common foe.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

*grabs his Devil's Advocate hat*

The Confederacy was on borrowed time regardless. Historically, they weren't fighting to win -- just to gain recognition from the major nations (Britain and France). France barely paid attention to them (busy with their own fuckery in Mexico) and Britain wisely avoided getting entangled further after that mess with the Confederate ships. So yeah, I can realistically see a situation where the Midwest goes to hell, but the Confederates make a critical blunder and lose their army (and thus, the Confederacy).

Granted. The Confederacy was a lost cause from the beginning.

But we're talking a game with magic card sharks and zombies. I think we can fudge a few things.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

Is there some giant hate-boner that they have for Deadlands that I’m unaware of and if so, why?

I'd imagine they would for the above mentioned reasons by other posters. However Lost Colony specifically is about humanity not just going into space to repeat some of the worst excesses of colonisation but doing so to aliens that could reasonably have parallels drawn between them the Avatar aliens (living planet that some of them specifically bond with for weird wildlife manipulation). Most of which was done under the command of General Paul "Overkill" Warfield. It's somewhat far from subtle.

Oh yeah, and their frontier law enforcers are called Colonial Rangers.

They probably don't hate it as much as they just don't think about it. So running a game about space colonisation using a setting from 2002 about the same is essentially hitting cruise control for causing them to become offended. Before you even come up with more than that you have hit a minimum level of annoying people and that will be sustained with no need for any effort.

 

[Emperor Julian]

d Britain wisely avoided getting entangled further after that mess with the Confederate ships. So yeah, I can realistically see a situation where the Midwest goes to hell, but the Confederates make a critical blunder and lose their army (and thus, the Confederacy).

Weirdly the British public response is suprisingly mixed towards the civil war, while liverpool is supportive of the south. Manchester concludes Slavery is evil and support the north.

Back on subject the conferacy's collapse is logical, deadlands complete collapse of instituional and cultural bigotry stretches credability especially as social calmities tends to result in the opposite. Oddly I dislike sterilized historical setting since I find them disrespectful, I can understand the desire to avoid them in a fun romp but to outright just make everything an idealized version of US middle class ideals is both dismissive of the people of the periods but also wasting a lot of potential writting.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I completely agree with the sentiment that 'it's Deadlands, weird shit happens, yo' and that historical accuracy, after a certain point, needs to be tossed. I just don't agree that the Confederacy got fridged solely for politically correct reasons.

On the topic of Britain, after the Civil War concluded, the U.S. sued Britain over its construction of vessels for the Confederacy (specifically, the Laird rams and the CSS Alabama). The suit was heard in Geneva, Switzerland, and resulted in Britain paying the U.S. $15.5 million. The British diplomats even posted the check on the wall of the Foreign Office, as a reminder to watch their step in future affairs.

 

[Reverend]

Can we get back to bagging on the SJW zealots on an RPG forum and save the Blue vs. Gray for another thread.

 

[Mola Ram]

I just don't agree that the Confederacy got fridged solely for politically correct reasons.

It totally was, though.

https://www.peginc.com/morgana-effect/

Relevant quote from the designer, Shane Hensley:

The decision for the CSA to fall in the Deadlands timeline after 1871 (1865 in the real world) is mine and mine alone. I created the world, I run the world with the help of some excellent people, and I know where it’s heading.

I’m a fiscal conservative and social liberal, have an MA in Military History, and am well-versed in the Civil War, the West, and the 19th century in general. I stand by the original decision to use the war to create the fear and terror of Deadlands (the same theme we explore in our Weird Wars line), and I stand by the decision now to change course.

Here’s why. Having characters loyal to the CSA…not just “Southerners” but actual loyalists to the cause, even if anti-slavery but loyal for some reason, can be *incredibly* uncomfortable for others at the table. Imagine the GM having to roleplay those voices. That’s not fun. That’s not what our game’s about. We want you to laugh and smile and roll Aces and get excited about your next session. And if you and your group want to explore heavier themes, go for it! But that’s something you and your friends can handle better than we can do in print where we deal with players and Marshals all over the world.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Can we get back to bagging on the SJW zealots on an RPG forum and save the Blue vs. Gray for another thread.

Agreed. One last pop before I shove myself back on the rails, though.

It totally was, though.

https://www.peginc.com/morgana-effect/

Relevant quote from the designer, Shane Hensley:

Ugh. I stand corrected. As usual, too many devs are pussies and are incapable of dealing with nuance or historical context. Nope, 'this is bad, so we take it away'. Faggots.

We now return to our regularly scheduled pointing and laughing at the Rpgnet staff and their abused member base.

 

[Mola Ram]

We now return to our regularly scheduled pointing and laughing at the Rpgnet staff and their abused member base.

We really need a thread to cover the general miasma of faggotry that's choking TTRPG to death, or expand this one to cover it. There's some new bullshit every couple of weeks, from Pinnacle cucking to Evil Hat's regular anti-Lovecraft peacocking to D&D reducing its races to featureless blobs because Orcs are racist.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

We really need a thread to cover the general miasma of faggotry that's choking TTRPG to death, or expand this one to cover it. There's some new bullshit every couple of weeks, from Pinnacle cucking to Evil Hat's regular anti-Lovecraft peacocking to D&D reducing its races to featureless blobs because Orcs are racist.

Maybe move the discussions of such over into the Games Forum and separate it from the Tabletop Discussion (so as to not shit up the constructive chitchat thread).

 

[NerdShamer]

We really need a thread to cover the general miasma of faggotry that's choking TTRPG to death, or expand this one to cover it. There's some new bullshit every couple of weeks, from Pinnacle cucking to Evil Hat's regular anti-Lovecraft peacocking to D&D reducing its races to featureless blobs because Orcs are racist.

Well, @IAmNotAlpharius has got the ball rolling and he namedropped this forum.

 

[Flexo]

Evil Hat's regular anti-Lovecraft peacocking

Wait.... what? And i really loved evil hat's dresden files co-op game.

 

[Reverend]

It totally was, though.

https://www.peginc.com/morgana-effect/

Relevant quote from the designer, Shane Hensley:

Hensley's always been a pussy since his ousting from EnWorld for not being on the side of 'right'. He was a cunt before and he's a wallowing cunt now. Nothing screams more of an attempt to get back into the good graces of the TTPRG community than to bow to pressure. I bet he's masturbating furiously in hopes of getting mod++ points on RPG.net or ENWorld right now. He's one of the worst types of SJW ally's and is constantly trying to become of the 'chosen' again.

I can't believe I backed his RIFTS conversion. What a fucking waste that was. PEG hasn't gotten a damn $$$ from me since then.

 

[Mola Ram]

Wait.... what? And i really loved evil hat's dresden files co-op game.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

https://twitter.com/EvilHatOfficial/status/1218223310367903744

They've only doubled down since then. This was my introduction to Evil Hat, and I gotta say I wasn't impressed.