Loose Goose
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You go away for a week, and the Infractions forum is filled with a page worth of new bans and admonishments. Amazing productivity!
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- Thread starter Randall Fragg
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Every time someone links the site instead of an archive, I see a little popup about some RPG industry stalwart who's died. Really says a lot about the state of the hobby.
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I wonder how, or if, they talk about anything RPG-related.
I mean, you can't discuss racism in SR, you can't discuss slavery in pre-Renaissance cultures, you can't discuss the role of women in the chivalric era (even if the game specifically allows you to change that)....
I mean, you can't discuss racism in SR, you can't discuss slavery in pre-Renaissance cultures, you can't discuss the role of women in the chivalric era (even if the game specifically allows you to change that)....
Wallace
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The same way they discuss anything: through rigorously enforced consensus.
This is the most obnoxious part about RPGNet: The endless posturing over who can pretend to care about these issues the most in their make-believe games, and the petty, sneering disdain for anyone outside of their self-righteous hugbox. It's like the autistic nerds in high school taking on the mannerisms of the mean girls clique.
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I love that dude’s like “Your site sucks, I’m leaving” and they’re still so petty that they feel the need to ban him while threatening to permaban him.
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It's a completely unobjectionable and rather interesting discussion. And the point about "Why play Pendragon?" is perfectly legitimate -- guy's not saying "this is the one true way to play RPGs"; he's saying "this particular RPG offers a specific experience, so why not play something else if that's not what you want?"
I continue to be amazed that this site is still going. These are the most insufferable people I've ever seen on any website that wasn't actually devoted to crime.
Zonga
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They have a truly staggering amount of momentum. I have no idea where to even go to have a decent conversation of the scale that they used to offer.
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It's clearly a completely reasonable point. After all when I play L5R I always play a Roman soldier (no, not the Yodotai, Roman), 7th Sea I demand the right to play a female airplane pilot celled Earhart Amelia and in Scion I must be allowed to be a scion of Joseph Smith. Denying me the right to play any of these concepts is bigotry and gatekeeping.
They clearly said family members. As we know slavery has an intergenerational effect and all whose family ever experienced slavery have it resonate in their souls for as many generations as possible. Hence why America bad forever.>slavery has affected family members of our userbase
Good to know that early 19th century and prior niggers are part of their userbase.
But not Italy (the Romans), Egypt (love those pyramids), Iran (Persians did not fuck around) etc. etc.
anti SJW
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Maybe the only way it will change there is if every member PMs the mods every time they want to post something, asking if what they will post will violate anything.
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Or start a Trouble Ticket thread. But same thing, really.
Loose Goose
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Amazing. This is shit tier even by RPGNet standards. The guy not only said nothing wrong, he demonstrated deep knowledge of Pendragon and its design ethos, and gave a great example of accommodating female characters in a historical setting where their opportunities would be sorely limited. Then the conversation is abruptly shut down and the poster is punished by a mod call on the level of a drive by Twitter whine.
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Why are you surprised? look at the signature line of one of the mods:
They are so deep into sniffing their own farts it's amazing the site hasn't generated enough smug to destroy South Park.
Fictional Character
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It's infuriating. I played a female knight in Pendragon and it was tons of fun (the justification was that she was a half-faerie and thus allowed to do weird shit). The banned poster is 100% right about the appeal of Pendragon and the goal to make players think in a certain way. The introductory adventure for the system has acting in a modern way (accepting bandits' surrender and taking them captive instead of killing them on the spot) as a suboptimal choice.
This goes double for playing the Grand Campaign where the players need to realize that they aren't the protagonists of the overarching story. Yeah, sure, it's possible for a PC knight to find the Holy Grail... if they pass multiple rolls where the average knight has 5% chance of success, since they all require you to crit. In a campaign where the PCs are side characters, it'd be super satisfying to be the person who opened knighthood to women and changed the setting that way.
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And it‘s a way to make the players actually matter in a meaningful, literally world-changing way. Which is what players want, and makes for great stories. Plus it’s fun and gives the GM an opportunity to really flex his world-building muscles.
I wish I had a group I still could game with, because just that post gave me a fun idea for a Spirit of the Century scenario where the players find out FDR is actually an alien who can control men’s minds, but not women’s so they need to create an all women’s resistance movement.
...Which is why they hate it. No one’s supposed to have fun now.
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It's not that no-one is allowed to have fun. The attitude is that no-one should face barriers they cannot overcome with bare minimal effort.
The female knight stuff pisses me off a bit too because there's so much potential worthwhile RP stuff around it. Hell, Tamora Pierce squeezed two book series out of it and the the protagonist of the first literally admits she was a Mary Sue in the second run and it needed someone who wasn't to actually give female knights validity. Subtlety, nuance, effort. And some bigots that were just bigots too because those exist alongside the more nuanced types. In a series aimed at fucking teenagers.
Meanwhile on Rpg.net grown ass adult scream at the oppression they face by having to actually have the fun RP of fighting for the changes they want in a setting. How these people cope with character death would be fascinating if any of them played games with that as a possibility.
Emperor Julian
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The comments they make during bans is such a bitch move.
NerdShamer
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Well, it's not like that the person who was banned would be able to see them without flushing their browser cache...
Emperor Julian
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I think that's why I consider it the ultimate bitch move. It's like the guy in high school who talks shit once he's a 100% sure the person he's badmouthing won't hear it.
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You hit the problem with RPGNet, roll20, and other platforms with SJW gamers.
They want the dopamine rush of victory and accomplishment without effort or repercussion, even in video games or TTRPG's, and then wonder why it feels so empty.
They want to scream about problematic content in games, not that it's glorifying that content, but it EXISTS in the game.
Take Rifts for example. The Coalition States is deliberately modeled after Nazi Germany in a lot of ways (The founder and rulers took a lot of stuff from actual WW2 and Nazi documentaries when rebuilding their society and civilization after the apocalypse) with human supremacist attitudes.
Why did the SJW's start screaming? Because you could play a rogue CS soldier. Someone who was raised and trained in that society and left. And because the CS won the Tolkien War (despite the fact that whoever wrote that shitstorm had no idea how actual militaries work) which meant that Nazis = Good Guys (No, it was considered a tragedy of hubris) to anyone who read it.
They literally wanted the CS removed from the books, because several times it said that the average CS citizen sees its brutal military as the last bastion of humanity, protecting defenseless civilians from human eating hordes of monsters. That they have no empathy for the dimensional invaders. That they see nothing wrong with a village of DBs being pink misted because all they'd seen is footage of monsters eating humans and don't care that the village was full of space Mexicans farming.
They didn't have any really valid reason to remove it beyond "It glorifies Nazism".
Lucky Kevin Sembedia is too much of Boomer to even know they exist, must less care about them.
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It's also present in other things too. I actually backed the 7th Sea Kickstarter and do not regret it but Crescent Empire remains one of the most laughable books when the undeniable Sue of an Empress issues an edict eliminating the caste system and giving a decade to comply and it works.
I would have been more comfortable with divine messengers descending and enforcing that shit.
I could probably tear that entire book a new one but really it's hard to justify the effort when things are that egregious from the get go and as you say it's utterly empty. Progressive Empress enacts progressive degree and everything works without issue. Older RPGs would have provided sinister elements behind it with there being factions acting with/without the Empress' blessing to make this work because they recognised that things are not that simple.