2 days ago
CRWBY really are obsessed with making making themselves a part of this franchise and I think that holds it back. They see themselves as the characters.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
You can take RWBY out of Rooster Teeth but you can't take the Rooster Teeth out of RWBY
2 days ago
Huh, Glitch really has become the New Rooster Teeth at this point, hasn’t it?Let’s just hope it doesn’t also end the same.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
Piggybacking this post to highlight a key difference tho, which is Glitch so far puts most of the creative power in the hands of the creator. Never forget how RT treated Nomad of Nowhere - during the RT scandal when a lot of staff spoke of their horrible experiences there, Nomad's creator Georden Whitman spoke in EXTENSIVE detail about how RT relentlessly and systematically hijacked his dream project, pushed him out of it and manhandled it into their own show. To think RWBY would be exempt from the same treatment is overidealistic at best. Such an insane contrast with Glitch who make sure the creator gets full creative oversight of their stories.
2 days ago
Rooster Teeth crippled itself by holding stuff it never needed to so Glitch can run through them like dirt
1 day ago (edited)
Well at least when I have an itch for "color coded teams with transforming weapons, fighting monsters and villains, all while set to music" I'll still always have 5 seasons of symphogear
2 days ago (edited)
You are so spot on with the first point. Rwby is a love letter to anime fans and yet Monty was unfortunately surrounded by normie dude bros who think Otaku culture is just hentai. The fact he had to assign anime homework to Miles and Kerry was a big enough red flagRwby as it stands now is basically the "how do you do fellow kids" of the modern indie animation sphere. A personified version of someone who peaked in high school
2 days ago
A double layered statement, considering RT a majority of the time uses the Volumes 1-3 versions of the characters, so they quite literally peaked in high school.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
The fact they had to do research is one thing which is fine, the fact after 10 years of personally working on a so-called anime for most their careers and they came out the other side STILL without a single otaku bone in their body tells you everything you need to know.
1 day ago
As someone who loves the RWBY, the OLD one, I had this feeling of the void you mentioned. I really didn't like how accurately you pointed out those very flaws, because the truth is always uncomfortable. I still like to write the world my ocs reside in, the story in remnant...but like the name says, its but a remnant of a story that could have been.And just listening to your voice sounding so defeated...I just am so sad that this happened to a series that allowed me to connect with so many people...A fantastic video, even if I had to take a few breaks from it, but you point out the things that were there...no. ARE there.Monty would not have wanted his fans to stand still, and be unhappy, he wants them to keep moving forward. And perhaps its the time to do that as well. Thank you for this video. I hope that same spark that inspired you will ignite in me, eventually.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
Thanks very much, I'm glad you connected a lot with it. If it helps though, please don't take my tone of voice too seriously, it could just be a combination of me being sleepy/time of day, etc. lol, and of course some level of exaggeration to make an audio-only video interesting to listen to. Keep on trucking man.
1 day ago
RT's PR created this environment where the whole company was seen as just this group of friends having fun, so when you criticize CRWBY, you'd always come off as the one in the wrong, but reality is they are not good writers and don't have a single cool bone in their body. They can appreciate something cool, but can't understand why (which is a problem with the fandom as well, but that's beside the point).If anything, I wish RWBY was simpler, more guerrilla style like at the start (there's an animation called SLUMLORDZ by Nam Mac that exemplifies what I mean), but I think a lot of fans of the later volumes would ditch the show over it. But anything is better nothing, which is what we get right now.
2 days ago
The fact that the hypest for I came back for RWBY hyped was Ruby Vs Maka. The Gamersup was alright, but had no cups.Good video, the marketing is a huge flaw for the franchise and the fact adult content creators shows more love shows everything. Love your content. Keep it up.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
I think their only marketing was Kerry drinking it awkwardly in front of a crappy webcam lol. Not even moving PNGs of the characters promoting the drink. Their relatable quirkchungus marketing approach is falling on its face so badly
1 day ago
@S
@SwitchbackCh literally thought they would be cups to come with. Would been cool to see the main four, but then again I believe they hate sexuality of the show. Even through Yang was literally inspired by Tifa, just upset as I would have actually buy Cups of Ruby, Yang, and Neo.Thanks for the response.
2 days ago (edited)
For me it feel like RWBY never really had a story just great action, but as time goes on world feel more boring, and fight happed for dumb reasons, like RWBY vs ACE or Qrow vs Clover because the more I think about the fight it happened for the shake of the story it just feel dumb.Jujutsu kaisen fight are cool because they was story behind it, and didn't downgrade the character for the shake of a story, or like story like soul eater (manga), or fire force every part of a story have a purpose and reward you for find them like One Piece. For RWBY thing happened for the shake of the story, Yang get one shot by Neo in V8, character forget how to use the weapon, or ability, feel like character they don't think about the choice or the consequences of the choice they just how the feeling about it, and no change or grow just wrost version of who they are.RWBY is a cautioned tale of no real plan, lied and year of excuse, for poor choices and bad story, because for year they never got editor or writers who like anime.As a Person Once Say- Good Writing can cover for bad ArtGood art can't cover Bad Writing. That RWBY in a nutshell.
22 hours ago
Extremely good video about the state of the show. An underrated aspect of this analysis is that it doesn't devolve into blind Monty worship (bro was not a perfect writer) and instead focuses on why his influence specifically was so important to RWBY's identity.
@SwitchbackCh
22 hours ago
At the very least, Monty knew how to leverage his strengths (animation, strong design, creative direction) and delegate his weaknesses (plot & writing), the same can't quite be said to the people who got delegated the writing job.
1 day ago
Fanon > Canon
RWBY > CRWBY
Storytellers > Writers
Character Driven > Story Driven
Passion Project > Cash Cow
Shane & Dillon > Miles & Kerry
Beacon Era > McGuffin Era
Respect & Trust > Parasocial Relationships
Fanfiction >
Second Half of V3 through V9
Glitch & Dillongoo > Rooster Teeth(Also, check out the pilot for PLANETRONIKA if you haven't already)
1 day ago
24:3530-days RWBY reference?!Jokes aside, RWBY has become an obligation and burden to whoever owns it. RWBY'S fndm has rotted to its core, with only the wasps and termites there to praise CRWBY's flogging. They hungrily consume anything within their Red, White, Black, and Yellow reach, hurting their position with the forest as a whole.Any decency that remained left on the last seedpods, taking root in the vast imaginations of those who would cherish it.Celtic Phoenix, Mark Zhang, and countless others do this show justice.At this point, if the burden of CRWBY and it's rotten roots can't be pruned and extracted, there is no point on continuing the show as is, screw "they have to finish the story."
1 day ago
For me, RWBY is the most underutilized franchise of recent years, and to be honest, its problem isn't new; it's been around for a long time that this franchise hasn't broken out of its niche or has very few fans worldwide, unlike other franchises. And I mean compared to other series, RWBY falls far short, even among popular indie series.
Examples:-Eddsworld
-Madness Combat
-The Glitch Productions series
This is because RWBY, in general, is a product of its time, inspired by 2010s anime. While I don't dislike the style, the truth is that it doesn't renew or reinvent itself and is always living off what Monty did back then, never trying to bring anything interesting to the table. It's just living off the legacy of someone who's already deceased and can't contribute much more to the series now.
-It doesn't have a novel or interesting art style.
-It doesn't have arcs or a decent story
.- It doesn't have any new or interesting concepts to offer.
Another drawback is the lack of content, and the worst part is that Viz focuses more on the voice actresses than the characters (as mentioned in the video), as if two of them weren't hated by a certain part of the fandom for their past controversies, or as if they weren't too prominent to be just two voice actresses without much relevance beyond being the voices of Yang and Blake, respectively. We came to see the character they portray, not the voice actor themselves. In other words, Viz gives a lot of screen time to the person behind the voice, but instead of doing a funny sketch, a parody, or making short animations, doing something to fill the time while the wait for the volume becomes endless, instead we get:
- A review of a dead manga
- Cooking with Ruby and Weiss
- A podcast (again) with two voice actresses
- And cutting roses and flowers?
Wow, what interesting content, really
There's also the fact that RWBY doesn't target a specific audience. It used to appeal to geeks and nerds, then to people of all ages, then to minorities. The problem is that it jumps from one audience to another without having first built a solid fanbase that supports it. Something I feel was the reason why Glitch, Dillongo, or other companies didn't pay for it is that RWBY isn't profitable in a certain way in the indie or internet world. RWBY currently operates more corporately because it's a brand.But if we look at its YouTube channel, its views are very low. Even smaller channels have better growth than the official RWBY channel. Now imagine buying a series in decline, with zero impact on the audience and YouTube, and with a huge narrative mess. No company would assume not only the huge responsibility of fixing a series like that but also making it profitable and appealing to the public again. That's why we don't see it on Netflix, Amazon Prime, or HBO Max because:1) They already have similar or even better series.2) It doesn't offer anything new. Almost nothing new in the catalog. 3) It's not generally known due to a lack of content. Every time this topic comes up, I try to find something positive in it all, but even in the simplest aspects, the series fails. How are they going to improve if they focus more on challenges or uninteresting things instead of releasing something new or interesting?
1 day ago (edited)
RWBY was built on rule-of-cool and it is so frustrating nobody else in CRWBY other than Monty got that. Like, Yang gets a mechanical arm but barely anything is done with it. Not a single rocket punch.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
She did use a rocket punch! In V5 during an inconsequential arm wrestling contest with Nora (technically)
1 day ago
@SwitchbackCh True, but even then, I remember a commentary from Miles saying that it wasn't a real rocket punch and more like a pressure ejection from the arm wrestle (something like that, I can't remember the exact wording). It just came off to me like they're allergic to rule-of-cool. Why ISN'T it just a straight up rocket punch?
1 day ago (edited)
I viewed RWBY through its entirety and I'm just ready to come into terms that RWBY has changed into something that now caters to a different audience and the current creators. I may be considered a poser-era boomer but it just seems the show went from an American's Otaku creation to an American's Tumblr-esque creation and what I mean on Tumblr-esque, I mean the part of Tumblr that could care less about a medium itself and more about their so-called "relatability", soapboxes, being morally correct, and having "the characters agree with their politics". This sentiment can be applied to the current state of the fanbase because about 90% of them will think everything about RWBY post V4 is the most "perfect" thing they watched and if you dare attempt to respectfully rant or critique the direction the story is going then you're part of the HTDM. While the aforementioned V10 was teased long ago, I highly doubt that it'll reignite the spark it once had and I must face with the fact that RWBY has turned into something that only people who couldn't care about its anime-esque atmosphere would be into.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
If they actually do make Volume 10, you can already tell how it'll be written by how they market the show - inoffensive, quirky, with zero focus on action, animation or anime in sight.
1 day ago
@SwitchbackCh t would also have terrible choreography
1 day ago
Jjk just a better RWBY ngl. Both have entitys tied to negative emotions Both have people trained to fight said entities. Megumi is a mix of blake (shadow related CT) and weiss (summons they can only use once defeated). Yuji is a mix of ruby (special trait related to his mother) and yang (brawler), but unlike rwby jjk locked in
43 minutes ago
Hearing Miles drop a bunch of western media that he wants RWBY to crossover with just makes me irrationally angry.
1 day ago
For me, the real decline came in Volume 4. Monty's death, yes, was a major factor and affected many things on set, but it was pace... The lack of worldbuilding. The lack of character building and relationships. Sooooooo slow. Team RWBY, yes, I know why they were split up, but it never felt like they really missed one another, like they wanted to reconnect, fight back against what was going on. I dunno. Volume 4 was just so slow and lacking. Then it just seeped into the rest of the Volumes and my enthusiasm to for every Saturday morning just... dropped. RIP.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
I only noticed after rewatching the show post V4 but became really hard to ignore after, is that the show PAUSES A LOT. Just watch through the show and there's a lot of times (not ALL the time but often enough) where between talking or doing anything there's just dead silence or standing for 1-2 seconds too long. It really messes with your head making you think the show is slower paced than it actually is. The dialogue and cuts in 1-3 feel a lot snappier by comparison, in a way the shorter episodes were beneficial, only to shift once the episodes got longer and RT started treating RWBY like a "real animated series".
1 day ago
If glitch did get rwby, they definitely get dillongoo on it, or if dillongoo got it they'd get glitch to help, it just makes sense
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
Back when RWBY went on sale and Dillon Goo expressed his interest in acquiring it, Glitch put all their support behind him. This was just a short 2 years ago before Glitch really became as hugely popular as it is now, so now I think it'd be the other way around if the IP goes on sale again.
1 day ago
Great video as always, friend.RWBY isn't cool because the people that made RWBY after the death of Monty Oum aren't cool. The people behind Glitch, Dillongoo, and other indie studios have a passion for their creations, but CRWBY were very self-centered, and RWBY seemed more like a cash cow to them.
They weren't really into anime besides the most "normie" shows, aren't really interested in the American cartoons that inspired RWBY, and seemed to actively dislike the games and characters that inspired RWBY (Miles' dislike of Tifa is pretty infamous at this point). Miles and Kerry are normies that like "the current thing".
Game of Thrones, MCU, whatever's popular on social media. They know WHAT'S popular, but they don't know WHY it's popular. They want GoT level writing and MCU humor, and they got Season 8 GoT writing and modern MCU humor.Considering Kerry is technically still the head of RWBY creative, I wonder if he owns partial rights to it. I'm one of the few that don't mind Viz Media owning RWBY, but I honestly think the biggest thing holding RWBY back is Kerry Shawcross as a writer/director/producer. For one, I think he's terrible, but I also get the feeling that nobody really wants to work with him. It's hard for me to blame Viz in this situation when the situation is the EXACT same as it's always been.
The problem is CRWBY, or in this case, Kerry Shawcross (Eddie Revas appears to still be on board as well, and I can't stand him either). Viz is just a publisher at the end of the day, and it seems that Kerry is still the guy in charge of the RWBY IP and brand.Monty Oum was SO FAR ahead of his time, that I don't think people realize that he was creating actual VTuber rigs back in 2014. He had a passion, much like Shane and Dillon, and poured their passion into their projects. The writers/directors post-Monty however, once they gained almost unlimited creative freedom, really only cared about themselves. RT was a parasocial hell hole, and nothing has changed since it went out of business. Also, I think there's something to be said about the writers and half the crew absolutely losing their minds after the 2016 election.
Glitch actively tries to avoid the worst aspects of internet culture. They mostly ignore shipping, keep the focus on the characters (what a concept), and avoid controversies with fans. CRWBY did everything in their power to keep the focus off Team RWBY, and regularly engaged with negative comments, and would mock critics whenever given the opportunity. They could not separate themselves from their work, because Jaune is Miles, Neptune is Kerry, Team RWBY are their voice actresses, and Yang/Blake is everything they've ever wanted from media (despite not being anywhere near as popular as they think).Volume 8 of RWBY wasn't popular enough to get V9 greenlit, which is a good indicator that it wasn't profitable. Same probably goes for Ice Queendom since Crunchyroll seemingly washed their hands with RWBY after it. Unless I'm mistaken, V7 and 8 were greenlit at the same time, so even if V7 was unprofitable, V8 would still have been in production. For sake of argument however, let's say V7 was profitable, that means the last time RWBY was profitable was probably 2019.
Pre-pandemic, BUT that was also the year RT nearly went out of business and they restructured the entire company, so profit margins may have been miniscule even then.Monty Oum changed my life. RWBY changed my life. I haven't enjoyed the show in over a decade, and yet I still write fanfiction for it. I still love the artwork, and I still love hearing creative types talk about it. I wouldn't be the writer I am today without RWBY, and I've learned a LOT about what NOT to do from Miles and Kerry. RWBY is more than just a show, or a fractured, toxic fandom. It's also the inspiration for thousands of writers, artists, and animators. I hope Glitch or Dillongoo get their hands on it eventually, and turn it from a heavily story driven show into an aura farming machine, but until then, I'm content letting RWBY rest.Much love and support, friend. I hope your wildest dreams come true.God bless, and have a wonderful day.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
I can't really judge Kerry's character based on a little screentime but he seems like a pleasant chill dude but also the type to defer to others, even the VAs. In that FLWR flower arranging video Kerry was the one trying to get them into character and talk about their roles, so I think he is well-intentioned but probably doesn't have a strong creative direction he would put his foot down for, perfect for holding a ship and keeping his head down when shit hits the fan, but not for leading a franchise into new directions and calling the shots for how it should be run. I don't envy his position but he did choose to stick with that ship when even Miles has taken a step back from being involved in RWBY, so admirable or not, it's the bed he chose to lie in.
2 days ago
Has RWBY lost its sauce? Yes (though depending on who you ask, that's a bit of a sliding scale, but I don't think anyone will outright deny RWBY lost its magic feeling)But is it due to negligence or incompetence? In my opinion, no. I don't believe the people at ground 0 of RWBY just didn't care, but the higher ups were the ones that didn't care. Combined with the fact that RT was in PR hell thanks to Ryan actively fucking teenagers and overworking/underpaying their employees, ntm scrambling to make money back from gen:Locks absolute bombing, not to mention loosing Monty to an allergic reaction, RWBY was just in the perfect storm to be ruined like this(I bring up some of that because you can't really disassociate the two. Whatever gets published as a direct result of the working conditions that product was made in. Nintendo for example, despite all the grief I give them, do have excellent working conditions, so their products are excellent, yet games like Sonic 06 or Cyberpunk 2077 had basically everything you can imagine going against them, so those products came out like dogshit)And as for RWBY should've gone to Glitch instead of Viz (even setting aside how I heard not-great things about Gameoververse or TADC) citing something like "It's what Monty would want/they respect what Monty would do" just screams emotional manipulation in lacking of a true point, because the only person who can tell us definitively is dead, and has been dead for over a decade. So bringing him up just doesn't seem like a real point to meTL;Dr, did RWBY lose something? Yes, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it's due to negligence but rather RT trying to stay afloat (which also makes me confused why you're taking shots at Viz when they haven't put anything RWBY out yet aside from some merch that I've heard is really good and the announcement V10 was very early in writing)
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
RT did overcrunch their employees, and very openly had a toxic celebrity culture that shafted anyone that wasn't an onscreen personality, and yeah Gray screwing over multiple shows to siphon funds to Gen:Lock was the cherry on top, I think it's very much a mix of both incompetence and active self-serving from its toxic work culture maybe not targeting RWBY directly but catching it in the crossfire nonetheless. As for Glitch, I never said "Monty would want them running it" and even concluded that Glitch owning RWBY would be a 50/50 coinflip regardless, moreso that they exhibit qualities that much better align with RWBY's appeal and sustainability (actually being fans of anime and indie animation that more closely matched Monty's work ethic and knowledge as a creator, animation industry experience at the lead helm, and them paying tribute to Monty in a way that reflected those values), because as I mentioned, plenty of people in RT paid tribute to Monty and were his friends, but that doesn't mean they're the right people for the job. Bringing Monty up as "who Monty would choose to run RWBY" as you say is pointless, which is why I was entirely talking about "who would emulate and honour Monty's body of work and creative influences if they ran RWBY", which RT and now VIZ clearly have fallen short of.
1 day ago
@SwitchbackCh Your point about Glitch and Viz and how "Viz only got RWBY because they had more money", plus the more than once you mentioned a few tributes to Monty in Gameoverse really does kinda come off as believing that people at Glitch understand what Monty would wantAnd as for "Viz has fallen off" in context to RWBY, they've literally only confirmed V10 is in very early writing, resell the Blu Rays, and give some new Merch. I don't really see how that's "falling off" when they haven't even done much yet
1 day ago
Kerry Shawcross wasn't some rando he was actually the co-director with Monty for Rwby and there's a lot in a production than just one guy sorry but it kind of feels dishonest saying he was some rando when in the first episode his name was with Monty for director of rwby, I know you don't like the guy but I think you kind of got that one wrong.
1 day ago
One minor thing relating to the "anime fight" portions of RWBY...I really, REALLY wish they actually included some logic with the weaponry.Rule of Cool only goes so far, until it's stupid. If we throw out designs without bothering thinking about how they could work (heck, don't use IRL logic, use in-universe for all I care, but make it consistent and make sense!), then the characters in the show look either dumb or fucking magical wizards.How can an entire minigun fit into a fucking PURSE? Don't ask questions (the ammo belt doubling as the strap that hangs it from the shoulder like a normal purse IS neat, I'll admit). WHY are weapons being made that actively endanger the user (BLAKE. WHY DOES THE PISTOL FORM OF YOUR WEAPON LITERALLY DRIVE THE BLADE INTO YOUR FACE.)? I 'unno. Why do weapons almost never seem to break (looking at you, Myternaster....that would break apart at any rough contact), besides PLOT? Uhhhh, Aura, because that extends to weapons despite them not being living things, and therefore not having souls. Or wait, is that actually from the show? I dunno, THEY NEVER EXPLAIN SHIT and I have to go off of hearsay.Ugh. Like, it's a very small thing, I get it, I'm a weapons nerd. I like looking at cool designs, and fiction is no exception. But....cmon. I can only believe something for so far. I can believe weapons like those of Bloodborne's Yharnam, because at least on the surface level they look like they can function, if impractical, but still fit a fantastical world.
2 days ago
If you want a better version of RWBY, watch Celtic Phoenix’s Fixing RWBY. It’s a better version of the story. Also if you want better animation with RWBY, watch the fan made series RWBY Ice Queen
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
FRWBY is fine but Celtic Phoenix is primarily a writer, which is why FRWBY feels a lot more like watching a script or novel. The storytelling relies mainly on dialogue and direct exposition which I feel is unsuited for something like RWBY. Using Gameoverse as an example, Ross is an animator first which is why Gameoverse FEELS like an animation and focuses a lot on visual storytelling and designs to evoke its world instead of outright lore, which I think suits RWBY better given Monty too approached RWBY's direction from the perspective of an animator.
1 day ago
Watching yet another "RWBY had so much potential" video made me remember the last thing I was disappointed by when the show ended. [Spoilers if that somehow matters here] When Ruby drank the tea and ended up in the tree to figure out who she wanted to be, I actually really wanted her to have the same outcome as Little. Instead of Ruby staying who she is, she's different but still kinda the same. Make her look a little older and possibly use her mother's weapon, but she's a different person now. It'd also be more interesting with the little falling out she had with her sister where now Yang and "Ruby" try to connect with each other, Ruby still feeling a close connection to Yang but feeling a little weird about it because she doesn't really remember much about her.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
That's how I know RWBY does NOT look to actual shonen or action anime for inspiration because this was THE moment for a protag power up, a cool redesign, a Semblance evolution, literally anything. The sentiment of "be true to yourself" lacks punch when it's not also paired with " strive to be the best version of yourself".
1 day ago
Monty Oum dies, so does RWBY
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
As I mentioned, it would take a lot of work but replicating Monty's style is very doable, proven by all the RWBY fan animations. The problem is more that the people at the top of RWBY's production were not people with likeminded interests or influences at all. It's like telling a live action sitcom director to direct a Studio Trigger anime.
1 day ago
I would NOT want glitch to have RWBY, the amount of discource the glitch and rwby fanbase would generate would never leave my twitter feed.
2 days ago
8:30 I understand the concern, but I think it’s silly because Miles isn’t Monty, and he doesn’t have to share Monty’s tastes. Besides, let’s be honest: aside from Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter, the other manga and video games mentioned are pretty niche, almost as much as RWBY itself, so it makes sense for Miles to mention other franchises. Besides, what’s wrong with a crossover with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? I mean, four brothers fighting evil, each with a unique weapon and learning to get along with one another: it’s literally one of the Western franchises that fits best with the RWBY characters.Maybe Miles and the others aren’t as much of an otaku as Monty, but characters like Superman, Batman, etc., don’t always have the same writers; not all the writers they’ve had shared the same tastes or inspirations, and yet, many have been able to capture the essence of them. And the thing is, even without being otaku, in V5, the battle between Raven and Cinder was possibly the most anime-style fight RWBY has ever had; I don’t think it’s so far-fetched to suggest they want a crossover with Soul Eater.
@SwitchbackCh
1 day ago
"Aren't much of an otaku as Monty" Miles isn't an otaku, period. I don't see why he can't mention "niche" works when RWBY itself is made up of multiple niche ideas mixed together. I don't expect all Superman writers to share the same tastes, but I do expect a Superman writer to be a fan of COMICS before letting them anywhere near a COMIC franchise.