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GethN7 said:
The Donald Trump thread is great for this. It's a mostly unbroken collected montage of salty assholes unable to accept Trump is POTUS
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Not really. When the idea of salt is posting talk show host monologues then you've hit rock bottom
 
Not sure I agree about the slapfights being content. At best, it's typically shitty content, the sort of things that crop up anytime people discuss US politics. Idk I guess I thought of the slat mine as a place to laugh at exceptionally stupid shit. Letting people argue in the thread isnt that funny and just clogs up the threads. I mean if the goal is to laugh at Kiwis arguing about Trump just open up a US politics subforum or Deep Thoughts thread.

That's my two cents anyway.
 
Just make it a subforum of Spergatory already.

That, or give it the Ol' Yeller treatment.
 
An Ghost said:
Especially since threads auto lock after 2 weeks, but don't even do that in the news sub.

People just need resources to screen cap people literally cryin and shakin on twitter.
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I actually have a pending request for the admins to change the Forum Guidelines to include a line on putting in a report when they have new salt to report on something that's been locked due to inactivity.

And I do believe the inactivity lock is important. Salt comes and goes and I don't want to see threads necro'd because some autist wanted to type 'lol' in an old thread.
 
OwO What's This? said:
I have seen very little a-logging in the Salt Mine, all things considered.
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Granted, but I didn't mean it in the usual sense. I meant the slapfights are basically the a-logging of salt threads. I came to salt threads to watch immature children OFF the site acting foolishly, I didn't come there to see my fellow kiwis acts like tards.

And as mentioned before:

The Giver said:
Not sure I agree about the slapfights being content. At best, it's typically shitty content, the sort of things that crop up anytime people discuss US politics. Idk I guess I thought of the slat mine as a place to laugh at exceptionally stupid shit. Letting people argue in the thread isnt that funny and just clogs up the threads. I mean if the goal is to laugh at Kiwis arguing about Trump just open up a US politics subforum or Deep Thoughts thread.

That's my two cents anyway.
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So, here's a question I'd like to pose to everyone - what exactly do you wish Salt Mine would be providing that you aren't already getting elsewhere?

We do have an audience that the forum in its current state caters to. I could try and change things up to try and cater to more people, but the question is, would these people I'm trying to open up to even be interested in the forum afterward, or would it just feel redundant and they'd continue going to their usual spaces?

I fear alienating the people who currently enjoy Salt Mine for what it is in favor of people that wouldn't even peruse Salt Mine if I catered to them anyway.
 
This forum is essentially the furthest possible extension of what the KF can be. It was sort-of inevitable after I decided to just let the flood gate open and not restrict content to just people of interest that we would eventually just have threads about things that happen.

It's sort-of hard to control the tempo of things that happen as a tone, however. With lolcows it's simple. Are you entertained? Okay good. Are you mad? You're a loser.

With this it's more complicated. What a funny thing-that-happens is is extraordinarily subjective even by definition. People've expressed doubt that this board has any purpose but I've not done anything about it because it ultimately does serve the big catch-all it was intended to be. The issue isn't actually what is and is not a thread for this board, the issue is qualitative. Why aren't most threads worth reading?
 
OwO What's This? said:
So, here's a question I'd like to pose to everyone - what exactly do you wish Salt Mine would be providing that you aren't already getting elsewhere?

We do have an audience that the forum in its current state caters to. I could try and change things up to try and cater to more people, but the question is, would these people I'm trying to open up to even be interested in the forum afterward, or would it just feel redundant and they'd continue going to their usual spaces?
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Personally I think the Salt Mine works well as a containment thread for bullshit. People argue in Deep Thoughts but they don't get assmad. They do in SM.

Null said:
Why aren't most threads worth reading?
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See above. Also because once a thread there reached like page two everything the people we observe can say is said. You can only read some random asshole tweet "Fuck Trump" or "boohoo my lipstick lesbian TV show I never watched got cancelled" so many times before it's old.
 
OwO What's This? said:
So, here's a question I'd like to pose to everyone - what exactly do you wish Salt Mine would be providing that you aren't already getting elsewhere?

We do have an audience that the forum in its current state caters to. I could try and change things up to try and cater to more people, but the question is, would these people I'm trying to open up to even be interested in the forum afterward, or would it just feel redundant and they'd continue going to their usual spaces?
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There should be a rule of iron: DO NOT GET SALTY YOURSELF. The salt threads are for non-KF member salt only. Just point, laugh, and "lol, calm down" if you are getting salty. All who violate this should be threadbanned immediately.
 
Null said:
Why aren't most threads worth reading?
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My opinion on this is that, by the very nature of anything schadenfreude, you need to have some degree of familiarity with the subject matter to really appreciate it. And since we cast a very wide net on what that is, very few threads here are worth reading for most people. But, they're never the same threads. They're always different ones, because people have specific interests.
 
I honestly have a religious amount of fun in Salt Mine (no shit others can tell right), I feel like I'd be a better contributor to Salt Mine than the core LoLCow forums. I feel Salt Mine is a great tool to weed out potential persons of interest as well.
 
GethN7 said:
There should be a rule of iron: DO NOT GET SALTY YOURSELF. The salt threads are for non-KF member salt only. Just point, laugh, and "lol, calm down" if you are getting salty. All who violate this should be threadbanned immediately.
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You're pretty much describing the way the rest of the subforums work, aside from maybe Deep Thoughts whom wouldn't be interested in these subjects in the first place.

Why throw that away to appeal to people who probably STILL wouldn't be interested even if this was made a rule?
 
I always took Deep Thoughts as a place for more serious discussion without as much shitposting, honestly. I don't think Salt Mines would really meld well there, no matter what happens to it.
 
I'm not much a fan of the whole Pillars of Salt idea, especially since you started with Tara Strong and not, say, George Takei, who has an even stronger distaste of the 45th that almost dips into terrorism here and there. I think that they distract from the overall picture of what I see the Salt Mine as. The Trump thread should be the shining example of what the threads on here should be; ideally, this forum should cover long-ongoing shitstorms of salt from a wide swath of the Internet cesspool. Stuff like the Dream Daddy salt thread should go in places like Gaming or in the Pulitzer Prize-Winning subforum. The salt mine should function as an actual mine does: we need to focus on long-term salt deposits instead of giving every marginal thing a thread itself. Consolidating all the Trump Salt threads into a single entity seems a sound idea; no need to mine twenty different shafts when we only need one.

But I'm not in charge of this subforum, and whatever you plan to do with it will probably mean very little in the long run. I just think that most people tend to either go into this subforum, the Pulitzer forum, and the Lolcows forum, and giving this particular subforum a specific purpose would encourage net traffic to go to our less-popular subforums.
 
OwO What's This? said:
You're pretty much describing the way the rest of the subforums work, aside from maybe Deep Thoughts whom wouldn't be interested in these subjects in the first place.

Why throw that away to appeal to people who probably STILL wouldn't be interested even if this was made a rule?
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Not necessarily.

Even shitposting has it's place in the Salt Mine threads, it just has to be on the topic of the salt and actually funny. Kiwis throwing shit at each other because of their opinions on the salt and getting salty themselves is not needed or welcome. It's off topic bullshit that is whiny and retarded, not something that actually contributes to enjoying the schadenfreude of the thread topic.
 
Way I see it, Salt Mine should cover specific reactions to events while Community Watch covers groups in general. SA poster complaining about how they're not recognised as a delicate fragile woman despite being a 6'6" bloke in a dress? Put it in the SA thread. The same poster REEEEEing about Trump's military tranny ban? Goes to the ban thread in Salt Mine (or the Trump salt thread general).
OwO What's This? said:
And it would also form cliques. I do not like this idea.
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Right-wing = IWC
Left-wing = Everyone else
 
Null said:
What a funny thing-that-happens is is extraordinarily subjective even by definition
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Idk, I'm not sure this is much of an issue, at least in some cases. To take an obvious example, I think we can all agree that Trump's election lead to a lot of funny content. Since we all post on this site, I'd say we even have a rough agreement on what that content looks like: chimping, absurd victim complexes, entitled cryposting, insane ramblings of the unhinged. The sort of stuff that counts as content in every other forum.

Part of the problem, I think, is that the focus in the salt mine can veer away from that sort of content and into a discussion of what triggered that content. So, to take another obvious example, Chris posting about Hilary being his preferred candidate because the country needs a woman's touch is content, but debating whether lots of people are voting for her because she is a woman isn't. But, again, it is easy to see how the focus of discussion can easily shift from the content to what triggered the content.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
I always took Deep Thoughts as a place for more serious discussion without as much shitposting, honestly. I don't think Salt Mines would really meld well there, no matter what happens to it.
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GethN7 said:
Not necessarily.

Even shitposting has it's place in the Salt Mine threads, it just has to be on the topic of the salt and actually funny. Kiwis throwing shit at each other because of their opinions on the salt and getting salty themselves is not needed or welcome. It's off topic bullshit that is whiny and exceptional, not something that actually contributes to enjoying the schadenfreude of the thread topic.
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Again, I refer to my earlier argument that the audience is by far the most important factor. This subforum was born from the audience that loved the Trump Salt. And these are typically people who like slapfighting on the internet.

As such, I think it would be very foolish to tell them to go to Deep Thoughts where there's a good chance they wouldn't enjoy it as much. So say this rule does get implemented, who would be attracted to the subforum that wasn't attracted before? I can't imagine it to be nearly as many people.

And, to reiterate, I don't see why kiwis getting salty themselves isn't thematically appropriate.
 
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