Science Salty Google Fires Researchers - is google the new yahoo?

Warning that monopolies are a threat to democracy and that Google may be a monopoly, he is fired from a Google funded think tank without explanation.

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-america-fires-antitrust-researcher-critical-of-google-2017-8

 

[CWCchange]

That's the point of what I just said at all.

What's your point? You can break up Alphabet/Google, but you can't break up Google Search and YouTube for a more evenly distributed market share.

Forcing every social media company to separate their assets and enacting some sort of Glass–Steagall act to keep them separated is extremely prohibitive and unlikely, regardless of the administration in power. Furthermore, companies like YouTube were originally startups who wouldn't be where they are today without Google, so it would stifle investment and let foreign competition like Baidu rape us.

 

[___-]

What's your point? You can break up Alphabet/Google, but you can't break up Google Search and YouTube for a more evenly distributed market share.

Forcing every social media company to separate their assets and enacting some sort of Glass–Steagall act to keep them separated is extremely prohibitive and unlikely, regardless of the administration in power. Furthermore, companies like YouTube were originally startups who wouldn't be where they are today without Google, so it would stifle investment and let foreign competition like Baidu rape us.

The point would be not to let one company have a monopoly over multiple services, just brake them up into smaller monopolies. The most that can be done really.

 

[Marvin]

The point would be not to let one company have a monopoly over multiple services, just brake them up into smaller monopolies. The most that can be done really.

Youtube isn't ridiculously powerful because google owns it. It was the market standard before google acquired it.

 

[AnOminous]

Breakup Google like they did with AT&T back in the day, it's the only way.

That didn't work out all that well either.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

They changed that to "do the right thing." Orwellian little shits.

Up next: "Some rights are more equal than others."

 

[Staffy]

I just use YouTube really. All their products are shit. Like unusable levels of shit.
If you use Android you are a subhuman, no exceptions.

Using apple is just the same if not even worse. What are we supposed to use? Those colored Nokia phones that don't run on Windows?

 

[Hyperion]

tfw you realize Microsoft is the good less morally repugnant guy

 

[XYZpdq]

Microsoft proved they were on the right side of history when Bing video search was god emperor of porn.

 

[Bass]

Using apple is just the same if not even worse. What are we supposed to use? Those colored Nokia phones that don't run on Windows?

Landlines and Web TV

 

[polonium]

Using apple is just the same if not even worse. What are we supposed to use? Those colored Nokia phones that don't run on Windows?

Nokia make android phones now.
They're pretty good actually.

 

[Holdek]

Ffs if you don't like Google search use Yahoo, if you don't like YouTube use Vimeo, if you don't like Gmail use Outlook. Or whatever. Google is not Ma Bell. Some people have no clue what a "monopoly" actually means. And a lot of this whining stems from some sperg getting fired for bad ethics in workplace memos. I hope this doesn't become GamerGate 2.0.

Thats supposed to be the point of them splitting everything into Alphabet, but time's shown how little that means.

They did that so their web search engine business wouldn't have to share the same balance sheet as stuff like driverless cars r&d and "radical life extension" research.

 

[Hyperion]

I hope this doesn't become GamerGate 2.0.

Sweet Christmas I hope some guys getting fired from a political think tank becomes the next GG

 

[melty]

Sweet Christmas I hope some guys getting fired from a political think tank becomes the next GG

Google being a monopoly is an actual issue with real stakes though.

 

[Hyperion]

Google being a monopoly is an actual issue with real stakes though.

The only thing that can stand up to Google at this point is :autism:

 

[AnOminous]

Ffs if you don't like Google search use Yahoo,

That's like advising that if you don't like hamburgers, eat a piece of dog shit off the ground instead. Yahoo's search is worthless.

if you don't like YouTube use Vimeo, if you don't like Gmail use Outlook. Or whatever.

Those are both similar examples.

However, there are definitely better email services than Gmail.

Claiming they don't have a monopoly on search is bullshit, though.

There's also literally no reason for them to have a monopoly on video other than nobody else has the money to buy literally city-sized server farms. At least not until they fuck up badly enough a market opens up.

I mean, I'm not hugely worried in the long run about this, but Google has become a problem rather than a solution, at least outside the search arena where they remain king. Even there, their practice of permanently saving everything is getting a wee bit scary. If they ever made a practice of actually fucking with people using that data, though, they'd probably suffer immediate, tremendous backlash.

 

[XYZpdq]

There's also literally no reason for them to have a monopoly on video other than nobody else has the money to buy literally city-sized server farms. At least not until they fuck up badly enough a market opens up.

I thought it was because nobody could afford to lose the massive amounts of money that youtube has always hemorrhaged.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The problem is you can't break up Google. I mean you could, and it might work. For maybe like 10 years. But search is so huge and brings in so much fucking money, Google would basically grow into 'Google' again. Its a literal cancer, you can cut away the tumor but it will just keep growing back.

Thing is, Google is so ubiquitious and nobody has made a search algorithm that's even come close. Bing is a joke and DuckDuckGo, while laudable, is still not all there. Google does everything it can to monopolize search and keep it on lock. The only way Google gets brought down is if it infects the search division with SJWs, ideals over profit and hiring quotas so that Google's corporate culture becomes so fucking terrible that it makes every competent engineer flee the company. At this point, the only thing that can bring Google down is Google itself.

 

[Joan Nyan]

Oh no a company did something better than everyone else and as a result are now dominant this is EVIL we need to destroy their good products and replace them with shit because muh competition

 

[Hyperion]

The problem is you can't break up Google. I mean you could, and it might work. For maybe like 10 years. But search is so huge and brings in so much fucking money, Google would basically grow into 'Google' again. Its a literal cancer, you can cut away the tumor but it will just keep growing back.

Thing is, Google is so ubiquitious and nobody has made a search algorithm that's even come close. Bing is a joke and DuckDuckGo, while laudable, is still not all there. Google does everything it can to monopolize search and keep it on lock. The only way Google gets brought down is if it infects the search division with SJWs, ideals over profit and hiring quotas so that Google's corporate culture becomes so fucking terrible that it makes every competent engineer flee the company. At this point, the only thing that can bring Google down is Google itself.

Luckily they've already handed over hiring decisions to a troon. I give it a decade.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

tfw you realize Microsoft is the good less morally repugnant guy

I rated you late because I remember the days when Apple was the beleaguered little guy and Bill Gates was public enemy #1 for the evil reason that IE was forcefully prepackaged with Windows-based hardware.

And I remember when Apple was public enemy #1 because of their apathy-encouraging idiot-proofed walled garden that encouraged hardware/software as a lifestyle choice. And now in this current war they're not even mentioned because the field has changed that radically.

I'm old.