Sam Hyde (MDE) video referencing Jace.

[Dan Abrams]

Yeah guys i sure am the angry sperg here. Jesus christ i hope other people on this site are less autistic than this

You actually are because everything we've said is fact-based on the hundreds of hours of Jace's videos that we've watched and you're just being a sperglord dude. I bet the letters in your alphabet soup arrange themselves to spell ISRAEL and GOYIM and NETANYAHU too???

 

[Pickleman]

Nothing I said was untrue. It's based on hours of watching Jace videos. I love how you instantly ignore all the evidence and go straight back to sperging about the pictures. Like you caught this massive production company in the one slip-up it's made in all these years. There are plenty of people like Jace out there. This link remains as relevant as ever http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Authenticity_of_Jace_Connors

I did not disregard anything you stated, hence why i said i don't think it all adds up either. The supporting actors could possibly be real life friends for instance, and his real mother. untrue things you said were that i was implying the mother was a random actor, and if you read earlier posts you would know thats not true. For all we know she is not even in on it, hence why he calls here by her real name.

 

[Pickleman]

You actually are because everything we've said is fact-based on the hundreds of hours of Jace's videos that we've watched and you're just being a sperglord dude. I bet the letters in your alphabet soup arrange themselves to spell ISRAEL and GOYIM and NETANYAHU too???

Fact based argument right here

 

[Cum Crime]

This image is on the random guy's tumblr and I feel it is very relevant.

 

[Dan Abrams]

Fact based argument right here

Myself and MerriedManJr have already tried to reason with you but you're just sperging out dude

 

[FramerGirl420]

@Pickleman
I can only speak for myself, but I do not think anyone is getting butthurt over it. They're just trying to tell you why it's a silly notion to some of us. But you seem to take it personally when someone presents evidence that goes against your hypothesis and it can get frustrating when all you do is toss their experiences and beliefs aside so quickly while wanting us to respect your evidence and hypothesis.
All the while, you do come off somewhat frustrated and quick to lash out, but that could just be me reading too much into things.

 

[Pickleman]

@Pickleman
I can only speak for myself, but I do not think anyone is getting butthurt over it. They're just trying to tell you why it's a silly notion to some of us. But you seem to take it personally when someone presents evidence that goes against your hypothesis and it can get frustrating when all you do is toss their experiences and beliefs aside so quickly while wanting us to respect your evidence and hypothesis.
All the while, you do come off somewhat frustrated and quick to lash out, but that could just be me reading too much into things.

Simply disagreeing with your assement of those pictures is not me taking it personally. If anything you took my disagreement personally, since you two are the only ones throwing around baseless insults and such. This is a fact finding mission and i said i appreciate evidence supporting any belief. I have posted a shit load of things myself that seem to support my hypothesis, but you guys have not acknowledged alot of them, and i don't personally expect that either. So many things just don't add up man, which means we should ask more questions and investigate more, not personally attack eachother because of naughty thought

 

[FramerGirl420]

Simply disagreeing with your assement of those pictures is not me taking it personally. If anything you took my disagreement personally, since you two are the only ones throwing around baseless insults and such. This is a fact finding mission and i said i appreciate evidence supporting any belief. I have posted a shit load of things myself that seem to support my hypothesis, but you guys have not acknowledged alot of them, and i don't personally expect that either. So many things just don't add up man, which means we should ask more questions and investigate more, not personally attack eachother because of naughty thought

I simply meant that you wanted someone to compare the pictures from when Jace removed his flame shades but as soon as I provided them you shot them down immediately because they were of poor quality and something about glasses for a lazy eye. Even though you were the person to originally being them up. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned that anything that doesn't match up with your theory is just tossed aside.

Also, I do not recall insulting you, I apologize if I said something you mistook as an insult.
I was merely trying to explain to you the vibes I personally was getting from watching this thread slowly derail into a "yes huh!" "Not uh!" Internet slap fight.
Also, you have to remember that followers of the Commander have dealt with an obscene amount of spastics screaming about how Jace is such a fake and is obviously an actor. Most of the time these racing autists have no proof to back their arguments other than they are literally too autistic to accept a new lolcow.
You, however, have some content you believe to be proof, which is why I even bothered to acknowledge this thread. But you have to keep in mind, that those speds that have called jace an actor or a fake in the past have left a bad taste in our mouths and we now are somewhat defensive of the Commander and take these claims that he is not "real" with a grain of salt.

 

[zap2theextreme]

How would you explain the car crash as a ruse?
You have three choices

1. Jace legitimately crashes and is so dedicated to the ruse his first thought is to start making a video
2. Jace finds an identical car wrecked on the side of the road and records it without the owners noticing him
3. Jace stages the accident by driving to the side of the road and tipping the car over himself

All of these are absolutely insane. I find it hard to believe Jace is real but you just have to look at the objective facts dude.

 

[Pickleman]

I simply meant that you wanted someone to compare the pictures from when Jace removed his flame shades but as soon as I provided them you shot them down immediately because they were of poor quality and something about glasses for a lazy eye. Even though you were the person to originally being them up. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned that anything that doesn't match up with your theory is just tossed aside.

Also, I do not recall insulting you, I apologize if I said something you mistook as an insult.
I was merely trying to explain to you the vibes I personally was getting from watching this thread slowly derail into a "yes huh!" "Not uh!" Internet slap fight.
Also, you have to remember that followers of the Commander have dealt with an obscene amount of spastics screaming about how Jace is such a fake and is obviously an actor. Most of the time these racing autists have no proof to back their arguments other than they are literally too autistic to accept a new lolcow.
You, however, have some content you believe to be proof, which is why I even bothered to acknowledge this thread. But you have to keep in mind, that those speds that have called jace an actor or a fake in the past have left a bad taste in our mouths and we now are somewhat defensive of the Commander and take these claims that he is not "real" with a grain of salt.

Well its true, i don't think the photos are of high enough quality, which is the same reason why they were no interest to me in determining whether they had similarly shaped eyes and eye color, which was actually the original reason why i requested them. The quality is too low to analyze in a precise manner. I once had explained to me the way low quality videos can manipulate the image, and you can see alot of unusual anomalies in the video, his eyes for instance look like they are melting in one picture and shaped very inhumanely. We can agree to disagree in the assement, but to me it reminds me of old UFO and 9/11 videos where people point to one anomaly in a single frame as evidence of a pre concieved notion.

But don't think i didn't expect this reaction like you said, im new here, but ive lurked for some months. Sorry if it was not you who insulted me, i believe i may have confused posters, the thread went from dead to off the wall very fast.

 

[Pickleman]

How would you explain the car crash as a ruse?
You have three choices

1. Jace legitimately crashes and is so dedicated to the ruse his first thought is to start making a video
2. Jace finds an identical car wrecked on the side of the road and records it without the owners noticing him
3. Jace stages the accident by driving to the side of the road and tipping the car over himself

All of these are absolutely insane. I find it hard to believe Jace is real but you just have to look at the objective facts dude.

Which only makes the fact that if it is a ruse even more hilarious. Seriously that might be funnier than him not being one at this point, and i realize that. I find 1 to be the most likely, it wouldn't be that hard to believe if everything was acted as well. No one piece of evidence can convince me either way at this point.

Regardless we have an exceptional autistic individual that will always be, deep down in my heart, my commander.

 

[hard2heart2heart]

The Gayle-Gail Jan-Jace thing, combined with their similarities in looks and accents are uncanny, but there are some holes in the theory. I don't know when Ideas Man was filmed, or specifically when Jace lost weight, but it seems like he wasn't balding nearly as bad when he was fat. Regardless, its much more likely that the Jan is just a follower of the deagle nation lifestyle. If he is a fan of parkourdude I wouldn't be surprised if he's reading this thread right now. Also, if Jace was ever arrested the name on the court records would be Jan, not Jace. It'd be a pretty easy way to prove your theory if you need closure so badly.

 

[Pickleman]

The Gayle-Gail Jan-Jace thing, combined with their similarities in looks and accents are uncanny, but there are some holes in the theory. I don't know when Ideas Man was filmed, or specifically when Jace lost weight, but it seems like he wasn't balding nearly as bad when he was fat. Regardless, its much more likely that the Jan is just a follower of the deagle nation lifestyle. If he is a fan of parkourdude I wouldn't be surprised if he's reading this thread right now. Also, if Jace was ever arrested the name on the court records would be Jan, not Jace. It'd be a pretty easy way to prove your theory if you need closure so badly.

In ideas man he clearly combed his hair back to make himself look more funny. You can tell he has about the same hairline in the knife picture. judging by skin tone and acne, you could conclude that the knife photo was taken in the summer, while ideas man,is being filmed in a college and Jan has paler skin, was filmed in winter. Assuming of course they are the same person

 

[hard2heart2heart]

I find 1 to be the most likely, it wouldn't be that hard to believe if everything was acted as well. No one piece of evidence can convince me either way at this point.

For 1 to be true, the skype conversation he had prior to saying he was going to streetrace her (I believe it was with FlyAwayNow)

Hasn't Jace got a DUI? Just look that up, and you'll know definitively whether or not Jan is Jace. It'd save you a decent bit of time and frustration.

 

[tehfolder]

I am a bad writer, but I will try to write out my thoughts. This is all speculation and currently I have no idea what to believe or what is going on.

My theory that Jace is Jay, and Jay is mentally ill:
- Jay's father leaves, Gail turns to god.
- The guys at MDE knew Jay/Rob from school and sympathetically let Jay help them out. Put up with / were inspired by his writings and antics.
- MDE and Jay split later on.
- Jay makes friends with a bunch of stoners.
- Jay begins doing more stuff online.
- Rob makes Jay use fake names for safety. (Remember Rob also supposedly helped him secure his PC).
- Gail becomes more and more religious and crazy. May be indoctrinated into some cult.
- Jace is born.
- Jace continues going downhill from druge use, and his dumb friends, mental illness.

Jace feels mostly genuine to me.
I believe he is mentally ill, though I feel he plays up some things for attention (like he is semi-aware of some of his antics).

Lots of people online have probably called the police department in the area about a Jace. The police may have just let Jamie Walton know they had heard about the situation of a Jace. If Jay and Jace were the same person they might even know Jay uses the online handle of Jace.

I do feel the connection between Jay and Jace is worth investigating deeper. I do not necessarily feel Jace is a complete ruse. But I feel there are a lot of connections between Jay and Jace.

Heck remember Jace yelling about a Charles?
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/mental/articles/2004/06/28/he_cant_play/

His parents, Charles A. Rankowski and Gayle Fitzpatrick

EDIT:

Hasn't Jace got a DUI? Just look that up, and you'll know definitively whether or not Jan is Jace. It'd save you a decent bit of time and frustration.

If this can be looked up it would be great!
I have no idea how to look this up, if someone else does find out please post what you find.

 

[cypocryphy]

Things in life aren't always so black and white. It's not like he has to be 100% legit or 100% ruse. If he's mentally ill in some way it could be something in between..or it's a ruse but not for reasons we think it is. Maybe he's not doing it to troll people but rather Jace is just some persona he legitimately wants to be.

I'm no fan of his (which I uh...have quite a reputation for) so I don't know that much about him...but many of those who do agree that there's many fishy things about him. I also fail to see how finding out somebody that one follows for entertainment turning out to be some kind of an act is the end of the world.

 

[Pickleman]

If jace really had a DUI wouldn't that mean he would not have been allowed to drive? Wouldnt that mean he would have been arrested? if they committed fraud like they implied in the interview, and had jaces mom show up and pretend to be the driver, well they sort of chronicled that crime online.

I do agree with the assessment of jace sometimes playing things up, regardless of if he is Jan or not, he may even think that people are laughing "with him" rather than "at him" with some of his antics. Sort of like how he called the knife with writing on it a joke.

 

[Cum Crime]

If jace really had a DUI wouldn't that mean he would not have been allowed to drive? Wouldnt that mean he would have been arrested?

Penalties are different in each state but generally for a first offense you can apply for a license again after some time.

The knife line (that entire interview, really) threw me off as well. After years of extended trolling Jace has some moments of self awareness. You ever sober up after a night of drinking and suddenly realize how ridiculous you were acting the night before? I think that's kind of how his insanity goes. Whether he's taking his meds or not is probably a major factor.

 

[Pickleman]

Penalties are different in each state but generally for a first offense you can apply for a license again after some time.

The knife line (that entire interview, really) threw me off as well. After years of extended trolling Jace has some moments of self awareness. You ever sober up after a night of drinking and suddenly realize how ridiculous you were acting the night before? I think that's kind of how his insanity goes. Whether he's taking his meds or not is probably a major factor.

Driving unlicensed in Massachusetts almost always results in a arrest. I would know because i also live here and have seen it happen. Question was somewhat rhetorical, but if he did not have a license at the time he would have been arrested, regardless of circumstance

 

[hullo8d]

You actually are because everything we've said is fact-based on the hundreds of hours of Jace's videos that we've watched and you're just being a sperglord dude. I bet the letters in your alphabet soup arrange themselves to spell ISRAEL and GOYIM and NETANYAHU too???

Knowing a lot about Jace doesn't make your point more valid than others, if anything it makes you less of a candidate to look at this from an outside perspective. The way your brain works (and how conspiracy theories get formed) is that certain evidence you've obtained has to fall within a certain narrative to makes sense to the story you've constructed. Anything else that doesn't fall in to place gets tossed out. It's a mental fallacy. Don't fall into a bias blind spot.

Hasn't Jace got a DUI? Just look that up, and you'll know definitively whether or not Jan is Jace. It'd save you a decent bit of time and frustration.

Nobody has provided links to the court records of Jace's DUI (or atleast none that I'm aware of) and from what I understand all we have to go by is his accounts of it.

How would you explain the car crash as a ruse?

Sam Hyde used to work at a car dealership, and he's destroyed cars in the past for videos. I'm sure he has a friends who has connections to private auctions sales. You can get good cars at insanely cheap prices if you are in the right crowd. Also, Jace would always make mention of his mom's Prius being red.

. I don't know when Ideas Man was filmed, or specifically when Jace lost weight, but it seems like he wasn't balding nearly as bad when he was fat.

Ideas Man was obviously stitching of a bunch of unused skits and clips shot over a period of time hence the name Ideas Man.

I simply meant that you wanted someone to compare the pictures from when Jace removed his flame shades but as soon as I provided them you shot them down immediately because they were of poor quality and something about glasses for a lazy eye. Even though you were the person to originally being them up. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned that anything that doesn't match up with your theory is just tossed aside.

Those pics of Jace are highly artifacted kind of making them kind of unreliable. It's pretty easy to tailor a low res pic into what you want to see and if you are surrounded by a bunch of people sharing the same idea you are bound to fall into the same rut that they have (there are plenty of social experiments that can vouch for this). You can't rely on those picture as evidence of Jace having a lazy eye or being real.

If anything, there is little proof that gives off the solid impression of Jace being real (I've practically watched every single thing that has to do with Jace at this point), but plenty to show that he's a fake in this thread. If you guy want to provide a proper rebuttal try providing some evidence and try not to be to dismissive.

Credentials: I'm one of the 3 people who has gotten a %90+ percent on the Deagle Nation Quiz and received the same score as DeagleDad420 (this is pretty pathetic, but if it helps validate me then whatever.)

Edit: The thing with Jace and his mental issues. These may very well be real since there are a bunch of articles on Jan and his mental disorders. In the court hearing, his mother even makes mention of Jan's inability to recognize people by face, his main form of recognition is voice.

It really isn't hard to keep up a ruse for this long seeing as how Jace is constantly on and off. There is always plenty of downtime.