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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 56 7.3%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 87 11.4%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 168 22.0%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 405 53.1%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    763
I'm not gonna sit there and say it's rigged bc I don't know for sure. however, ever since the whole simmons shit happened, I wouldn't be surprised if the structure of the show kinda fell apart with that as well.
It does feel as though it's all being made up on the spot which isn't very entertaining. It's interesting to tune in but ultimately watching Sam promote Josie simping is a let down. I figured he was above that.
 
It does feel as though it's all being made up on the spot which isn't very entertaining. It's interesting to tune in but ultimately watching Sam promote Josie simping is a let down. I figured he was above that.
I agree with you on that part, I def feel like it kinda is made up on the spot. i guess in a way, I don't blame them completely because when you have moments like that in the beginning where you really don't know what to do. I like seeing people get fucked with and be apart of the joke, I think you should not have high standards but also don't be surprised is the best takeaway I can give
 
Jet's getting meta.
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Jet gave Josie and Sylvia a secret mission, to post these silly printed edits of Letty all around the house on each wall, 30 total (minus 1 since Jet wanted one). Starting... NOW.

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Jet later went up on his own and showed this to the camera.
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I get ya, so it's pretty much rigged by this point. It's just odd they can't even put in an effort by at least putting a second bed in there.
It's rigged because satisfying people and making money in the short term is far more important to the crew than lasting quality and big pay offs. I know this thread makes it seem like the audience for this show is actually capable of thinking, but the vast majority of watchers are just looking for a quick fix of dopamine with no payoff. The show is looking for quick explosions rather than a slow burn.

People like Josie so they appeal to them by coddling Josie. People hate Letty so they appeal to them by going hard on Letty. People started to miss Damiel so they brought him back on to the show. People started to miss Lance so they bring him back onto the show. People start to miss Jon so they bring on ASF. Whether you agree with these decisions or not you have to admit that these choices maximize profitability.

We can complain about how these choices are clearly greedy and how they sacrifice long term entertainment value for money, but sadly most people watching just want basic levels of entertainment. Why invest time in a massive arc with rivalries and alliances when you can just get 400 quick dollars by having a producer yell in Letty's face?
 
It's rigged because satisfying people and making money in the short term is far more important to the crew than lasting quality and big pay offs. I know this thread makes it seem like the audience for this show is actually capable of thinking, but the vast majority of watchers are just looking for a quick fix of dopamine with no payoff. The show is looking for quick explosions rather than a slow burn.

People like Josie so they appeal to them by coddling Josie. People hate Letty so they appeal to them by going hard on Letty. People started to miss Damiel so they brought him back on to the show. People started to miss Lance so they bring him back onto the show. People start to miss Jon so they bring on ASF. Whether you agree with these decisions or not you have to admit that these choices maximize profitability.

We can complain about how these choices are clearly greedy and how they sacrifice long term entertainment value for money, but sadly most people watching just want basic levels of entertainment. Why invest time in a massive arc with rivalries and alliances when you can just get 400 quick dollars by having a producer yell in Letty's face?
I hear ya. I watched until Sam couldn't pay to keep the stream up then I kind of fell off so I was just curious as to why it seemed blatantly biased. If you tune in and see all the rooms completely trashed, Frank hassle stealing beds and fucking with everyone else, and Josie just sits in her room 'unmolested' it's odd. That's why I asked if she had won a challenge or something or if I missed anything like them fucking with her. My mindset was that Sam and crew had this overall plan, and I guess I wasn't able to think outside of that.
 
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Letty Vs the Whole Fucking House

It should be noted that this argument was retarded like most cat fights. It took place between Sylvia and Letty, both of which were decently drunk at the time. Letty gave absolutely no fucks and was practically unaffected by all insults, even ones I would deem pretty brutal.

Huge cat fight between Sylvia and Letty takes place. Chat starts calling Sylvia out for taking Letty's clothes. Letty presses Sylvia on it and Sylvia admits that she did take Letty's clothes and put them in a trash back. Letty gets mad at this and continues to say that Sylvia did a bad thing. Sylvia, about 7 minutes after saying she put Letty's clothes in a trash bag to be thrown out, backtracks and says chat is just fucking with Letty and that she didn't throw her clothes away (this is a lie). Letty doesn't buy the lie and insists that Sylvia took her clothes. Sylvia then starts saying how Letty is a fucked up person for putting Frank Hassle's shit in her closet. Letty insists that she got staff approval for such a thing and that Sylvia is trying to distract from the main point of the argument. Letty then goes upstairs in an attempt to piss on Sylvia's clothes in the bathroom (yes, really), Sylvia follows her and stops her due to Letty not locking the bathroom door.

More basic insult throwing takes place until OnlyFans starts to come up. Sylvia says that after Letty goes home she's just going to show her tits to randos on discord. Letty says that she's the real creep because she has an only fans and sells her pussy pictures to people. Sylvia insists that she gets to know her clients and that they're not creeps. Letty says that this idea is ridiculous and mocks Sylvia. Shark comes up to give Letty a snack. Letty begins to mock Sylvia saying she has a snack and Sylvia doesn't. Letty says that must mean staff doesn't want Sylvia to eat anymore, followed by more gloating. Sylvia points out that she's just doing that to feel better about herself, any insults she throws at Letty seem to bounce off of her. Letty says that she chose to join the show and she won't be dissuaded by Sylvia's shitty insults. A large amount of silence follows due to Sylvia being very upset.

Letty leaves the room for some reason. ASF starts to call Sylvia out for her BS, most likely because he's drunk, referencing a time where Sylvia got ketchup on Letty's white shirt. Sylvia says that she cleaned it after it happened and that it shows that she is a morally correct character who doesn't want to fuck with Letty's shit (again, we know this is not true as Sylvia did wipe her ass with Letty's clothes).

Letty Starts to Bully Vance

Letty drunkenly calls Vance a centrist due to the fact he never takes sides or opinions on any of the fish. Vance says that he has no opinions and that opinions "are for losers." Letty says, again, that Vance is on the fence about everything. Vance responds that he doesn't even know about a fence existing. Letty refers to Vance as a "centrist redditor" and Vance is clearly agitated by this. A conversation about gay porn starts due to Vance saying that Letty has a fetish for gay guys interacting. ASF has taken notice to this conversation after Letty mentions black gay porn. Letty says that everyone is clearly triggered at her mentioning black gay porn, implying that the men in the room are porn addicted, Letty says that the fact that this conversation is taking place shows that ASF is a porn addict and she says she doesn't watch any porn.

Letty asks Vance to call he Vancepilled. Vance makes up some stupid fucking excuse filled with a bunch of "uummmmmms" as to why he can't do that. Clearly trying to come up with something funny and failing miserably due to an incapability to think on his feet. He says that Letty does not follow the philosophy of the Vance followers. He then proceeds to give the most confusing analysis on what it means to be Vance pilled ultimately resulting in a huge nothing burger of an explanation. Vance and Letty continue to interact, Vance seemingly forgetting about his girlfriend.
 
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For some context to the current argument between Letty and Sylvia regarding Sylvia slipping and basically admitting to fucking up Letty's clothes then throwing them away.

Sylvia is guilty of it and did this last night. The producers are aware as well since Taxcin dug through the trash to check it out and told Sylvia "You fucked up." Letty's clothes are in the trash which was in the garage until the argument kicked off. They moved the trash out of the garage during the argument for some reason but it hasn't gone to the dump.

Tonight, Letty took some of Sylvia's clothes (just her jacket?) and went to piss on it but didn't bother to lock the bathroom door so it wasn't that bad. Sylvia put it back in her closet (B2) and Letty cattily said there's piss on it before heading downstairs for round 2 of the argument.

Taxcin brought Josie a pig plush (dog toy lol) and everyone but Sylvia shouted "PIG PIG PIG PIG PIG PIG PIG" which pissed Sylvia off.

Taxcin later brought out a snack for Lance. Reminder, he is the wigger who dug through the trash last night to figure out what happened.
Sylvia yelled at Taxcin that Letty pissed on her clothes and he just smiled at her and went to the basement.

Consensus on Round 2 is Letty W after W.

update: Drunken Letty confessional, she said she didn't piss on Sylvia's jacket but did tell her she did.

update2: Archives are out, trash is found. Taxcin just threw it in the cans outside. Strange time to do this as it was during the heat of the argument so it seems as if they're covering for Sylvia since the evidence is in one of the bags and they put it there.
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edit: Very late
For some context to the current argument between Letty and Sylvia regarding Sylvia slipping and basically admitting to fucking up Letty's clothes then throwing them away.

Sylvia is guilty of it and did this last night. The producers are aware as well since Taxcin dug through the trash to check it out and told Sylvia "You fucked up." Letty's clothes are in the trash which was in the garage until the argument kicked off. They moved the trash out of the garage during the argument for some reason but it hasn't gone to the dump.

Tonight, Letty took some of Sylvia's clothes (just her jacket?) and went to piss on it but didn't bother to lock the bathroom door so it wasn't that bad. Sylvia put it back in her closet (B2) and Letty cattily said there's piss on it before heading downstairs for round 2 of the argument.

Taxcin brought Josie a pig plush (dog toy lol) and everyone but Sylvia shouted "PIG PIG PIG PIG PIG PIG PIG" which pissed Sylvia off.

Taxcin later brought out a snack for Lance. Reminder, he is the wigger who dug threw the trash last night to figure out what happened.
Sylvia yelled at Taxcin that Letty pissed on her clothes and he just smiled at her and went to the basement.

Consensus on Round 2 is Letty W after W.

update: Drunken Letty confessional, she said she didn't piss on Sylvia's jacket but did tell her she did.
Y'know, Letty is far from perfect but Sylvia is just a revoltingly disgusting individual all around.
 
Y'know, Letty is far from perfect but Sylvia is just a revoltingly disgusting individual all around.
It's legitimately vile how used up and beat Sylvia is for a 23 year old. During Fish Tank she's admitted to:
  1. Having an Onlyfans
  2. Dating a black guy
  3. Being engaged 2-3 times (One was a 60+ year old man)
  4. Being pissed on for money
  5. Using hard drugs (heroin I believe)
All of these are things she admitted by the way. In reality who knows what else she's done. And she's 23.
 
One of my favorite things about this show is how often still images from it can look like a potential crime scene. Here we see Lance after dealing with one too many stories from Fatty and after beating him mercilessly with a bat is waiting for the cops to arrive. Honestly, I can't really say I blame him.

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EDIT: Now he's framing Vance for the crime. Again, can't blame him.

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why do you think he's gay?
There's nothing alluding to it, people just have weird headcannons about this show since it's so parasocial.
Lance just seems like a pretty chill guy. I'm glad he got given that filming opportunity by Sam, If he wasn't a freeloader I'd be rooting for him 100%.
 
why do you think he's gay?
He has that gay inflection in his voice. It's not super effeminate or anything, it just sounds kind of gay. Maybe it's just the accent.

When they did the dating thing Jet asked him who he'd want to pick for a date and he said Vance, but that must have atleast been partly a joke because no one, regardless of sexuality, would want to go on a date with Vance.
 
Hey Hey fellas! Logic here to give you some additional info that happened last night! So some things to take into account after what happened after the Jacket Pissing. Letty later went into Sylvia's bedroom and crumpled up some of her artwork as well as showed off another sheet of Sylvia's art to the camera while making fun of it(note: the art sucks lol). Letty then made her way over to Sylvia's closet while spitting on the floor frank hassle style. She finds one of Sylvia's scarves (?) and spits in it, throws it on the ground and stomps on it repeatedly, and leaves it there. Letty then leaves the bedroom after giving a monologue on how they can kiss her ass.

Sylvia eventually goes upstairs and finds the damage done and looks dejectedly at her crumpled art and scarf. Saying nothing, she goes downstairs and doesn't even say anything to Letty even though at this point it would be reasonable to assume she did it.

Key Takeaways from last night:
- Letty is caring less and less about playing nice (as she should).
- This is the first time Letty has stood up for herself without the usual outside help (ie. A challenge forcing people to pay attention to her or a bigger person standing up for her)
-Vance and Sylvia's facades have been rapidly deteriorating. Vance's strong start is fading fast as he's constantly failing improv and proving that his being "no stance" appears to stem from a lack of principles and thinking that looking like a master manipulator "playing all sides" (spoiler: he never did, he was just bully Letty...every...time) makes him look cool rather than having an actual game plan.
-Sylvia actually does what everyone claims Letty does but x10 worse. If the fishtank chat was anything to go by, I think people are beginning to question how sane/valid BPD accusers actually are.
- Josie has become more comfortable with bullying and seems to have developed somewhat of an ego. I predict that she will be more open about bullying Letty as she can interpret Letty's standing up for herself as just "Letty being a bitch" to justify that. But she's definitely more aware of Letty after tonight.

update2: Archives are out, trash is found. Taxcin just threw it in the cans outside. Strange time to do this as it was during the heat of the argument so it seems as if they're covering for Sylvia since the evidence is in one of the bags and they put it there.
It's becoming more and more difficult to defend this as time goes on. Even if MDE makes a profit, All the archived footage makes it impossible to say that the game was conducted fairly. If Letty can't even make top 2, a lawsuit will happen, and Sam can't win it if he chooses not to settle.

When they did the dating thing Jet asked him who he'd want to pick for a date and he said Vance, but that must have atleast been partly a joke because no one, regardless of sexuality, would want to go on a date with Vance.
Incorrect, VANCE would want to go on a date with Vance.

I would just like to note another thing. Accusations of BPD are a very serious thing. In the field of mental health, an incorrect diagnosis can be the difference between getting a head start on fixing your life, or years of being setback because you were incorrectly convinced of having an issue that potentially requires an entirely different set of treatments. Anyone who accused Letty of bpd or constant manipulation but constantly fail to catch onto Sylvia's failings should not be taken seriously as they out themselves as not knowing what they're talking about.

Women such as Letty are not something you should be fearful of if you are well-adjusted and secure in yourself. She is trying to make a change for herself and we're watching her grow and develop as a person in real-time, its actually wild seeing things turn around like this after 2 weeks of blatant bullying and harassment. Note that this is the first time she actually just took a moment that was supposed to be about ganging up on her and completely turned it around on her bullies. She's standing up for herself and it is legitimately making stupid people afraid which is funny. If this scares you, just come clean and admit that you just don't care to see her better herself.
 
Here are the full sped speed dates, except for Vance x Sylvia because I couldn't stand watching those complete voids of personality try to be funny.


 
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