Off-Topic "Scientific" Studies regarding Transpeople

[Aunt Carol]

already-distressed adolescents hearing the message that “people like you, facing similar problems, are killing themselves”, leading to imitative suicide or self-harm, to which young people are particularly susceptible.

This is one of the things I've wondered for years now. Don't glamorize teen suicides unless you want a swath of them through your school--unless they're trans, in which case national media.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

The government in Victoria, Australia is doing an official survey on women's pain issues. For things like PCOS, menstrual cramps and endometriosis. Sounds like a good idea, right?

But guess who else is getting included? Yep, men are.

" In a move that women’s advocates labelled “absurd”, the Allan government is calling for submissions from people with experience of women’s pain, including “anyone who identifies as a woman, though they may have a different sex at birth”. "

For people who frequent the MtF forum this will come as no surprise. These males really do think they have menstrual cramps every month. Nevermind that they lack the organs for such things.

Including males in this pain survey will throw the data off, of course, if it doesn't render it meaningless. Doctors aren't allowed to question this decision either, according to a surgeon they spoke with:

" “If doctors say anything negative, they can be reported to the regulator or even have their registration threatened. "

https://archive.ph/AKxQR

 

[TruffleSpark]

" “If doctors say anything negative, they can be reported to the regulator or even have their registration threatened. "

21st century blasphemy laws.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Just ignore that its irreversible and unstudied!
"Discussion of the ethics of puberty blockers has largely centred the question of reversibility. Although reversibility plays a distinctive role with regard to the foreclosing of future opportunities, few authors extend their foray past it. Although taking puberty blockers is a form of medical treatment, it certainly facilitates exploration significantly more than letting puberty run its course; whereas puberty strongly favours cis embodiment by raising the psychological and medical toll of transitioning, puberty blockers structurally place transgender and cisgender hormonal futures in approximate symmetry. Youth who take puberty blockers have their options wide open, their bodies unaltered by either testosterone or oestrogen. Although much remains unknown about the long-term effects of puberty blockers, limited empirical evidence and clinical experience make us more than justified in assuming that whatever risks puberty blockers have do not foreclose future life paths as much as undergoing puberty does."

 

[Positron]

How can the general public not see that people most affected by a problem are usually the worst ones to speak about or be put in charge of that problem, particularly if impartiality is required/desired?

The general public can go fuck themselves when academics say otherwise. Thanks to a religious doctrine called "Standpoint Epistemology", the minority affected by a problem have exclusive access to some truths that are forever unknowable to normal people.

 

[FredTheGreat]

Just ignore that its irreversible and unstudied!
"Discussion of the ethics of puberty blockers has largely centred the question of reversibility. Although reversibility plays a distinctive role with regard to the foreclosing of future opportunities, few authors extend their foray past it. Although taking puberty blockers is a form of medical treatment, it certainly facilitates exploration significantly more than letting puberty run its course; whereas puberty strongly favours cis embodiment by raising the psychological and medical toll of transitioning, puberty blockers structurally place transgender and cisgender hormonal futures in approximate symmetry. Youth who take puberty blockers have their options wide open, their bodies unaltered by either testosterone or oestrogen. Although much remains unknown about the long-term effects of puberty blockers, limited empirical evidence and clinical experience make us more than justified in assuming that whatever risks puberty blockers have do not foreclose future life paths as much as undergoing puberty does."

Here is a picture of the author Florence Ashley. Explains a lot about the paper.

 

[DootSkeleton]

Youth who take puberty blockers have their options wide open, their bodies unaltered by either testosterone or oestrogen.

Unaltered by testosterone or estrogen, altered by the drugs they take to block puberty.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Unaltered by testosterone or estrogen, altered by the drugs they take to block puberty.

The worst part of the lie is that these drugs don't halt puberty; they derange it. Puberty "blockers" retard, but don't completely prevent the production of GnRH. This retardation slows most of the major puberty processes down, but the adrenal glands still produce androgens, which virilise a male body regardless of GnRH release, and body fat in females still produces leptin, a hormone that stimulates the onset of female puberty, once a certain body fat content has been achieved (which is why malnutrition delays the onset of puberty in women and might be why puberty is happening earlier in young girls today).

It also glosses over the fact that babies produce sex-determining hormones from the start of the second trimester to a few months after birth, which sets the stage for everything afterwards. The only way to truly "save" the child from puberty would be to interfere in the womb and prevent the endocrine system functioning.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

It also glosses over the fact that babies produce sex-determining hormones from the start of the second trimester to a few months after birth, which sets the stage for everything afterwards. The only way to truly "save" the child from puberty would be to interfere in the womb and prevent the endocrine system functioning.

I don't doubt for a single nanosecond that this is true, but have any BBQ sauce?

 

[Surfin Terf]

I don't doubt for a single nanosecond that this is true, but have any BBQ sauce?

Look up "minipuberty". It's a relatively recent theory and I don't know how well understood it is.

 

[Oliver Onions]

Youth who take puberty blockers have their options wide open, their bodies unaltered by either testosterone or oestrogen

It certainly leaves them open to the option of developing osteoporosis in their 20s. Of all the tranny lies puberty blockers is the one that makes me the angriest because it's such obvious bullshit. No one can be so ignorant as to think that allowing a child's body to grow into an adult without undergoing puberty won't have adverse effects.

It's like putting a mixture of eggs and flour in the oven and waiting til it's baked to decide if you want to add sugar and make it a cake or yeast to make bread.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Of all the tranny lies puberty blockers is the one that makes me the angriest because it's such obvious bullshit.

There's so much dishonesty surrounding their community, it's impossible for me to just pick one lie. You have classics like:

• It's Not a Fetish (but sissy hypno porn made me trans)
• Puberty Blockers aren't Permanent (but their widespread use has been implementented only very recently so we have absolutely no data to back that up)
• No Minors are Getting HRT/SRS (except for "a few 16 year olds", and it's a Good Thing that they are)
• Telling Kids They Need to Let Their Brains Mature Before They Can Transition is Child Abuse and Trans Genocide (because how else are we supposed to grow our ranks; should we be castrated and lonely?)

There's more, but I just hate it. Everyone comes to forks in their life, and when the fork comes to self-loathing over a biological reality that cannot be changed with any amount of effort or perseverence, the correct answer is self-acceptance, you make the best out of your situation. When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.

These are people that have made the wrong decision at that fork, are in adamant denial that their decision was wrong, and want to open the future to children to make that same mistake, all in the vain hope that finally granting autistic children agency to alter their bodies on a whim will create a future of "passing" trannies.

 

[Oliver Onions]

Puberty Blockers aren't Permanent (but their widespread use has been implementented only very recently so we have absolutely no data to back that up)

I'd broaden this to any claims about the long-term effects of trooning out, positive or negative. It's impossible to state because this social contagion hasn't existed long enough to collate any kind of significant pool of data. Not to get too off-topic, but it was the same with the coof vaccine and people saying that was 100% safe and effective with no long-term side effects when it was literally impossible to know that because it hadn't existed long enough for us to know about any long-term outcomes.

Back on topic, the fact troons and their conspirators are opting to err on the side of 'fuck around and find out' makes them pure evil imo, especially when they're gambling with children's lives.

 

[expectant asshole]

They know giving testosterone to women has negative consequences. Remember the East German athletes? A lot of them died young from cancer or had other health problems. We know female bodies are not able to handle excessive testosterone but gender feels is much more important.

https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2019/11/07/ex-east-german-athletes-struggle-with-health-problems-due-to-the-consequences-of-ped-taking/

ETA Even the Guardian knew it was bad. From 2005 https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2005/nov/01/athletics.gdnsport3

 

[Aunt Carol]

Of all the tranny lies puberty blockers is the one that makes me the angriest because it's such obvious bullshit.

And there are plenty of people who took Lupron for precocious puberty who have horror stories in their adulthood, which is almost exactly the new use the TRAs are proposing for it.

If the troons were saying "yes horrible side effects but it's better than <insert suicide threat>" that would at least be honest. We already know what happens; they're saying that it magically no longer has side effects if it's prescribed for the correct ideological reasons.

The lie of a "pause button" is crucial to them. The other logically consistent argument would be: if children treated by "puberty blockers" do not desist from transgender identity in the way untreated children almost all did, then blocking puberty is meaningless. Why not remove the immature gonads surgically, if there is almost no chance they'll desist with the "time-buying" treatment? Clearly the "time-buying" treatment is just removing bone density for no reason.

I mean, the reason is that child neutering surgery sounds horrible enough for even the most blinkered parents to stop and do the math, but that means you have to acknowledge it all is.

 

[MeatSuki]

Anyone have any thoughts on these studies? They observe the differences between the brains of trans and cis people:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083947

Quote from the above study: “We found differences in the regional grey matter (GM) structure of transsexual compared with control subjects, independent from their biological gender, in the cerebellum, the left angular gyrus and in the left inferior parietal lobule. Additionally, our findings showed that in several brain areas, regarding their GM volume, transsexual subjects did not differ significantly from controls sharing their gender identity but were different from those sharing their biological gender (areas in the left and right precentral gyri, the left postcentral gyrus, the left posterior cingulate, precuneus and calcarinus, the right cuneus, the right fusiform, lingual, middle and inferior occipital, and inferior temporal gyri).”

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395610001585?via%3Dihub

Results: In controls, males have significantly higher FA values than females in the medial and posterior parts of the right superior longitudinal fasciculus (SLF), the forceps minor, and the corticospinal tract. Compared to control females, FtM showed higher FA values in posterior part of the right SLF, the forceps minor and corticospinal tract. Compared to control males, FtM showed only lower FA values in the corticospinal tract.

Conclusion: Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated FtM transsexuals is closer to the pattern of subjects who share their gender identity (males) than those who share their biological sex (females). Our results provide evidence for an inherent difference in the brain structure of FtM transsexuals.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395610003250?via%3Dihub

Results: MtF transsexuals differed from both male and female controls bilaterally in the superior longitudinal fasciculus, the right anterior cingulum, the right forceps minor, and the right corticospinal tract.

Conclusions: Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated MtF transsexuals falls halfway between the pattern of male and female controls. The nature of these differences suggests that some fasciculi do not complete the masculinization process in MtF transsexuals during brain development.

 

[MeatSuki]

Here’s more:

https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/131/12/3132/295849

Conclusions: Our data reveal a sex-atypical INAH3 volume and neuron number in transsexual male-to-female people to be in the female range, while the values of a female-to-male subject were in the male range. Differences in adult testosterone levels can only partly explain the observed differences in the INAH3 subdivision of transsexual people while estrogen levels do not seem to have an influence. In male-to-female subjects the number of neurons in the INAH3 does not seem to be related to sexual orientation, nor to the onset time of transsexuality, but rather to atypical early female-biased gender. The differences observed between the INAH3 structure, its innervation in relation to sexual orientation and gender identity and its putative connection to the BSTc suggest that these two nuclei, together with the SDN-POA (= intermediate nucleus, = INAH1 and 2) and the SCN (Swaab et al., 1985) are part of a complex network involved in various aspects of sexual behaviour. For the INAH4 subdivision of the uncinate nucleus, the only difference found among the groups was in relation to its shape, which was similar in all genetically male groups studied.

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I got all of these studies from this study which said this:

“Accordingly, various studies report closer resemblance between transgender people and control subjects with the same gender identity than to those sharing their biological sex. This includes local differences in the number of neurons and volume of subcortical nuclei (Zhou et al. 1995; Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab 200). functional alterations of regional cerebral blood blow (Nawata et al. 2010) and neuronal activation (Schoning et al. 2010) as well as structural differences of gray (Simon et al. 2013) and white matter microstructure (Rametti, Carrillo, Gomez-Gil, Junque, Segovia et al. 2011; Rametti, Carrillo, Gomez-Gil, Junque, Zubiarre-Elorza et al. 2011). Although transsexual people exhibit similar hormonal levels in adulthood as control subjects of the same biological sex, these studies indicate a transition of specific characteristics of their brains to the actual gender identity (i.e., feminization or masculinization).”

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Anyone have any thoughts on these studies?

Yeah, I've got two.

1. Are these studies done before or after hormone treatments? Everyone knows that hormones will mess with your biology and brain, but I'd like to know how their brains looked before they were taking troonshine, see if there's any significant difference between their natural brain and their "assigned at birth" control group.
2. If this is the case before hormones and we have a way to screen for people with crosswired brains, I'm actually okay with troon affirming care and document changes reserved solely for those people. At that point, there's some sort of standard, some level of gatekeeping, so we can filter out powerhungry narcissists and trendchasers from the tiny amount of people that have sex atypical brains. From there, troonism would go back down to pre-2010 numbers, and the visibility of troonism would vanish if clout chasers gained nothing from constantly pretending to be one.

 

[FrancineCansMcGee]

I'll believe the studies when they are able to blind diagnose transgender people with brain scans.

 

[Procrastinhater]

How many shrines to Hitler do you have in your house that you worship every day?

I wouldn't say "worship" I just keep the frame dusted and put out fresh flowers when the old ones start to look wilted...